God according to catholics

[YADA]

Scriptures tells us to baptize in the “name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” That is Trinity

Jesus said that he was the “Son of Man”

Jesus also said that if we heard Him [Jesus] we had heard the Father [God] and no one could get to the father except through the Son. “I and the Father are One”

St. John states that in the beginning was the Word [Jesus], that the Word [Jesus] was with God and that the Word [Jesus] was God.

Jesus is the Flesh that comes down from heaven, Jesus ascends unto Heaven by His own power.

Revelation has the One who is both the High Priest and the Lamb [who appears as one slain]

 

[ahmadhassan]

Scriptures tells us to baptize in the “name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” That is Trinity

that wasnt said by christ but by paul
and (all) apostles who lived with christ never did that ,do they all disobey the christ or they dont know ? even paul see

Acts 2:38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

acts 8:16because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into[c] the name of the Lord Jesus.
acts 22:16And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’

paul himself disobey it
acts 18:5On hearing this, they were baptized into** the name of the Lord Jesus.**

 

[LilyM]

its still the same problem “mystery” you dont know who do you worship

Are you claiming that you DO know (really know) the God you worship? Of course you don’t. No human can KNOW the divine being or beings they worship, whether it’s one God in one person, one God in three persons or thousands of different Gods. We’re just claiming we know a little about His nature and that it is Triune (three persons).

 

[Harland]

I’m not a theologian so I will probably get in trouble for this but the way I have reconciled Three persons in one God.

Ahmadhassan I assume you have some type of employment? For arguments sake lets assume you are married and you have children.

So you are a:

1. provider
2. husband
3. father
   all in the same body.

Are these three different people? Aren’t these three aspects of the same person? When you are with your wife do you stop to being a father? When you are doing whatever you do to earn a living for your family do you stop being a husband? When you are playing with your children do you stop being a husband? I think not. Just because your wife is in the kitchen and your children are outside playing doesn’t mean you stop being a husband and father. You can be a husband, father and provider at the same time.

Each aspect has a different responsibility but they are still the same person. You.

 

[dolphinlove]

Oh Goody, another old topic rehashed under another title

I am Catholic – a peaceful faith in Christianity bringing you the truth about faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The East, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only Islam; the true face of Jesus Christ and God is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peace.
God is All-Knowing; His Revealed Book, the BIBLE; gives you the correct path to salvation.

 

[ahmadhassan]

I’m not a theologian so I will probably get in trouble for this but the way I have reconciled Three persons in one God.

Ahmadhassan I assume you have some type of employment? For arguments sake lets assume you are married and you have children.

So you are a:

1. provider
2. husband
3. father
   all in the same body.

Are these three different people? Aren’t these three aspects of the same person? When you are with your wife do you stop to being a father? When you are doing whatever you do to earn a living for your family do you stop being a husband? When you are playing with your children do you stop being a husband? I think not. Just because your wife is in the kitchen and your children are outside playing doesn’t mean you stop being a husband and father. You can be a husband, father and provider at the same time.

Each aspect has a different responsibility but they are still the same person. You.

here we see you mixing between one person and different rules and different persons with different rules ,if we assumed your words to be truth then the father must be the son and also the holy spirit is that what you believe ? if so tell me and then i reply to that from bible (this was my answer to yada )

remember that i can be father and son but not father of that son how?
im a father of a son (for example x ) and a son of a father (hassan ) but im not father of myself nor son of myself

 

[chet]

Originally Posted by ahmadhassan View Post
the problem is that you christians described God ,you believe he is in 3 persons and that persons are not equal ,if abraham dont know christ (then according to catholics he is unbeliever ) bec he didnt worship christ ,he didnt know who was God ,did any of you asked himself why none of prophets knew the christ to be God ?bec he wasnt really God ----------------------------------Dear ahmadhassan, Since you have the newer revalation from Mohamad, Please go through these sciptures one at a time and explain them to us as you understand them. And then we may be able to descuss thruth. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke 1:31-35 Behold thou shall conceive in thy womb, and shall bring forth a son; and thou shall call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. And of his kingdom there shall be no end. And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man? And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto all: I indeed baptize you with water; but there shall come one mightier that I, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to loose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape, as a dove upon him; and a voice came from heaven: Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Mark 14:61-62 Again the high priest asked him, and said to him: Art thou the Christ the Son of the blessed God? And Jesus said to him: I am. And you shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of the power of God, and coming with the clouds of heaven.

Luke 24:44 And he said to them: These are the words which I spoke to you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
John 1:45 Philip found Nathaniel, and said to him: We have found him of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets did write, Jesus the son of Joseph of Nazareth.
John 5:46 For if you did believe Moses, you would perhaps believe me also; for he wrote of me.
John 8:58 Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am. ----Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus, whom you indeed delivered up and denied before the face of Pilate, when he judged he should be released.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent my angel, to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the root and stock of David, the bright and morning star.

 

[ahmadhassan]

Originally Posted by ahmadhassan View Post
the problem is that you christians described God ,you believe he is in 3 persons and that persons are not equal ,if abraham dont know christ (then according to catholics he is unbeliever ) bec he didnt worship christ ,he didnt know who was God ,did any of you asked himself why none of prophets knew the christ to be God ?bec he wasnt really God ---------------------------------------------Dear ahmadhassan, Since you have the newer revalation from Mohamad, Please go through these sciptures one at a time and explain them to us as you understand them. And then we may be able to descuss thruth.

if you wanna ask about islam then open a thread and we can talk but not in that issue ,i wanna know who do catholic worship

 

[chet]

Originally Posted by ahmadhassan View Post
the problem is that you christians described God ,you believe he is in 3 persons and that persons are not equal ,if abraham dont know christ (then according to catholics he is unbeliever ) bec he didnt worship christ ,he didnt know who was God ,did any of you asked himself why none of prophets knew the christ to be God ?bec he wasnt really God ----------------------------------Dear ahmadhassan, Since you have the newer revalation from Mohamad, Please go through these sciptures one at a time and explain them to us as you understand them. And then we may be able to descuss thruth. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke 1:31-35 Behold thou shall conceive in thy womb, and shall bring forth a son; and thou shall call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. And of his kingdom there shall be no end. And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man? And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto all: I indeed baptize you with water; but there shall come one mightier that I, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to loose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape, as a dove upon him; and a voice came from heaven: Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Mark 14:61-62 Again the high priest asked him, and said to him: Art thou the Christ the Son of the blessed God? And Jesus said to him: I am. And you shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of the power of God, and coming with the clouds of heaven.

Luke 24:44 And he said to them: These are the words which I spoke to you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
John 1:45 Philip found Nathaniel, and said to him: We have found him of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets did write, Jesus the son of Joseph of Nazareth.
John 5:46 For if you did believe Moses, you would perhaps believe me also; for he wrote of me.
John 8:58 Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am. ----Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus, whom you indeed delivered up and denied before the face of Pilate, when he judged he should be released.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent my angel, to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the root and stock of David, the bright and morning star.

whereinthebible.org/

 

[chet]

if you wanna ask about islam then open a thread and we can talk but not in that issue ,i wanna know who do catholic worship

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ahmad 360 degree

--As Catholics we believe what God has revealed about God through Sacred Scripture and devine revealation.So read the scripture and you will know what we believe.But the question is do believe God! And do you believe his Word! Do you believe God!

 

[ahmadhassan]

plz read verses you posted
Luke 1:31-35 Behold thou shall conceive in thy womb, and shall bring forth a son; and thou shall call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. And of his kingdom there shall be no end. And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man? And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

why dont you believe that christ was son of joseph?
shall i give you his geneology? did you hear angels telling her that?

Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto all: I indeed baptize you with water; but there shall come one mightier that I, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to loose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

do you know that even christ baptized with water ?

Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape, as a dove upon him; and a voice came from heaven: Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

here we see that three persons are separated ,why do you believe they were always same one?

Mark 14:61-62 Again the high priest asked him, and said to him: Art thou the Christ the Son of the blessed God? And Jesus said to him: I am. And you shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of the power of God, and coming with the clouds of heaven.

he sit on right hand of God then he isnt God

Luke 24:44 And he said to them: These are the words which I spoke to you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

he never fulfilled prophecies according to jews and OT see simpletoremember.com/vitals/jewsandjesus.htm#3

John 8:58 Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am.

the jews thought that he was talking about actual presence with soul and body ,actually they fall in a series of misunderstanding
the christ tell them about etrinity of faith but they talk about etrinity of body "‘Truly, truly, I say to you, if any one keeps my word, he will never see death.’ The Jews said to him, ‘Now we know that you have a demon. Abraham died, as did the prophets; and you say, "If any one keeps my word, he will never taste death.“then they asked him the question that reveal their misunderstanding saying :
‘You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?’ Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.’ So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple.” John 8:51-59
he tried to tell them that God decided to create christ before he decided to create abraham but they couldnt understand him so they “So they took up stones to throw at him”
so the bible talk about how jews misunderstood christ many times so its not appropriate for christians now to do like jews bec if you did that then if he was exist before then there is no need to be born ,tell us how he was present with body or soul or both ? do you say he is with God then he wasnt God

i will complete others in another time .

 

[deb1]

here we see you mixing between one person and different rules and different persons with different rules ,if we assumed your words to be truth then the father must be the son and also the holy spirit is that what you believe ? if so tell me and then i reply to that from bible (this was my answer to yada )

remember that i can be father and son but not father of that son how?
im a father of a son (for example x ) and a son of a father (hassan ) but im not father of myself nor son of myself

God is not limited by human rules, so yes, God can be both the father and the son of the father. t
That is why it is a mystery. God has done something that humans can not do. Do you doubt that God is responsible for making the sun rise simply because it is out of your capacity to do so yourself? Why then is it out of the realm of possibility for God to be both his own son and the father?

i don’t understand what you mean by the word rules in the first paragraph. i define rules as law or regulation and that doesn’t definition doesn’t make sense in your first paragraph.

 

[ahmadhassan]

God is not limited by human rules, so yes, God can be both the father and the son of the father. t
That is why it is a mystery. God has done something that humans can not do. Do you doubt that God is responsible for making the sun rise simply because it is out of your capacity to do so yourself? Why then is it out of the realm of possibility for God to be both his own son and the father?

i don’t understand what you mean by the word rules in the first paragraph. i define rules as law or regulation and that doesn’t definition doesn’t make sense in your first paragraph.

limited by what ? are you talking to a mad man ?
how do you believe in God? you use your brain ,logic to believe that God exist ,use the same thing to understand that christ never said im God or worship me and never said im the father
can you prove that he said i`m father?

the rule is to use brain bec using brain we know God and we are not mad ,can you go to a mad man and tell him to believe in God? no bec he will not understand what God mean so talk to me using logic1 Thessalonians 5: 21Test everything. Hold on to the good.

 

[deb1]

limited by what ? are you talking to a mad man ?

okay, now you are utterly confusing me. why would i think that you are a madman?

god is not limited by human rules or laws of physics. he can do things far beyond our ability to understand. if he can create the entire universe then being both the father and the son at the same time is certainly not beyond his ability.

god has chosen to reveal himself to us in ways that we can understand and relate to.

i am sorry that is confusing to you. but honestly, i am not trying to insult you. i’m very sorry if you took it that way.

 

[PapaSquash]

if you wanna ask about islam then open a thread and we can talk but not in that issue ,i wanna know who do catholic worship

We worship God as He exists, not as we understand Him.

He is the one God. He is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. No, I really don’t get it. That’s why it’s called faith.

It would be blasphemy to try and reduce God to something I would comprehend. I have to live with some uncertainty. If I need to make everything fit into precise definitions for my own understanding, then I have a wrong view of reality. Reality is not here for me. I am here for God.

 

[Subrosa]

did christ ever said that he has two natures? why do christians assume things that isnt in the bible ,triniy isnt in the bible and what they say about two natures isnt in the bible
do you understand what “fully” mean?
why refuse "direct clear " evidence from bible and assume things with no proofs
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie,
nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?

Ahmad -

Have you ever heard of the Jehovah’s Witneses? You’ld have a ball with them.

While the word" trinity" is not in the bible, all the information that is needed is there. The word “trinity” is used by christians to describe Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

I’m off to prayer, so I canot address this, but rest assured, we will address this issue, you and I.

Subrosa

 

[dolphinlove]

ahmadhassan
The ‘discussions’ you are bringing up have been seen here before, over and over and over again.
I suggest you use a wonderful thing called ‘search’ and find these links.
There is nothing new to what you are saying here, same old pointless arguments over and over again.
God Bless
dolph

I am Catholic – a peaceful faith in Christianity bringing you the truth about faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The East, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only Islam; the true face of Jesus Christ and God is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peace.
God is All-Knowing; His Revealed Book, the BIBLE; gives you the correct path to salvation.

 

[ahmadhassan]

We worship God as He exists, not as we understand Him.

He is the one God. He is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. No, I really don’t get it. That’s why it’s called faith.

It would be blasphemy to try and reduce God to something I would comprehend. I have to live with some uncertainty. If I need to make everything fit into precise definitions for my own understanding, then I have a wrong view of reality. Reality is not here for me. I am here for God.

thats what you do you try to comprehend God to be man and son of man while he isnt ,i told you that even if you said that he is father and son is titles for same one thats mean that father is that son and certainly the bible refuse that

 

[ahmadhassan]

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. this is about God not christ and reread the verse

 

[Greg27]

What is God? As St Gregory of Nyssa reminds us, the more you approach God, the more you realise the divine is wrapped in darkness, a veil of utter incomprehensibility. God cannot be understood in terms of concepts, forms of the imagination, words, or sensible phenomena, though the beauty of these gives an impression of the invisible archetype. No human being has ever seen God as God dwells in inaccessible light, transcendant in his majesty so no-one can see God’s Being and live. As St Basil says, we know God exists in faith, though we can’t know what God is.

Who is God? To us Christians, God shows us who he is in Jesus Christ. As is said in the Gospel of John, who sees Jesus sees the Father. God then is the Trinity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. For Christians this is the most accurate statement we can make of what philosophers might call the Absolute.

I find it reassuring the invisible, incomprehensible and ineffable God has a face in Christ. Even if the divine Being is infinitely beyond anything we can imagine, Christ allows us to approach God in a form that is beautiful, loving and intimate. As Von Balthasar liked to put it, after all his complex explorations in various religions and philosophies and their pictures of the Absolute, the true Form of the Absolute is revealed uniquely and fully in Jesus.