God according to catholics

[chet]

ahmadhassan

then he (christ) wasnt son of joseph and he didnt fulfill the prophecy ,now we shouldnt blame the jews bec they didnt believe him

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Originally Posted by chet View Post

Ahmad I haven’t said anything.The Gospel writer Luke did.Take it up with him.Oh by the way he was inspired by the Holy Spirit.But be careful.

Mary was Joseph’s wife,but she remained a virgin.Since Joseph was married to Mary Jesus was their son.

Matthew 1:19-21 And Joseph her husband, being a righteous man and not wanting to disgrace her, planned to send her away secretly. But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.“She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”

Luke 1:41-45 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. And she cried out with a loud voice and said, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! "And how has it happened to me, that the mother of my Lord would come to me?"For behold, when the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for joy.“And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of what had been spoken to her by the Lord.”

 

[stephanut]

you decide if your god is foolish or have foolish

You accuse us of “quoting from what we believe”, but isn’t your understanding of the Bible and Jesus entirely based on what the Qu’ran tells you? You think the Bible is wrong because the Qu’ran says so. The Qu’ran, which was based on one man’s words, as opposed to the Bible and church writings and historical records which stand witness to the people who saw Jesus and were influenced by his teachings.

Your understanding of the Bible is supremely shallow, as can be seen from your misquoting of the ot versus the nt, and your statement on how you can quote from the Bible even though you believe it to be corrupt is laughable. If you believe it to be so corrupt why bother with it?!

To top it all off, you misquote the Bible and call God foolish. And you’re calling all believers foolish. That is an insult, to me and to God. May God have mercy on your soul.

 

[chet]

Originally Posted by chet View Post
He is both true God and True man.His divine nature witch he had from all eternity and his human nature witch he received from Mary.

In Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

If God is 1 Who is the “our image” referring to?
Ahmad or Ahmadi, I am still waiting for an answer if God Has only one persona: Who is the plural “our image” referring to? not in singular form “my image”?"

Good night,and God bless" Red Skelton

 

[chet]

Genesis 22:1-2 God tested Abraham, and said to him, “Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.” He said, “Take now your son, your only son, whom you love, Isaac, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I will tell you.”

Genesis 22:7-8 Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said, “My father!” And he said, “Here I am, my son.” And he said, “Behold, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?” Abraham said, “God will provide for Himself the lamb for the burnt offering, my son.”

Exodus 12:5-7 'Your lamb shall be an unblemished male a year old; you may take it from the sheep or from the goats. 'You shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month, then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel is to kill it at twilight. Moreover, they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two door posts and on the lintel of the houses in which they eat it.

The Lamb of God’s blood was put on two posts when all the Jews had him killed found to be unblemished by the examination of Pilate.

Luke 23:4 Then Pilate said to the chief priests and the crowds, “I find no guilt in this man.”

 

[ahmadhassan]

ahmadhassan

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Originally Posted by chet View Post
Mary was Joseph’s wife,but she remained a virgin.Since Joseph was married to Mary Jesus was their son.

thats so bad when someone be ignorant ,if christ isnt from seed of joseph then how he is his father?

 

[ahmadhassan]

You accuse us of “quoting from what we believe”, but isn’t your understanding of the Bible and Jesus entirely based on what the Qu’ran tells you? You think the Bible is wrong because the Qu’ran says so. The Qu’ran, which was based on one man’s words, as opposed to the Bible and church writings and historical records which stand witness to the people who saw Jesus and were influenced by his teachings.

Your understanding of the Bible is supremely shallow, as can be seen from your misquoting of the ot versus the nt, and your statement on how you can quote from the Bible even though you believe it to be corrupt is laughable. If you believe it to be so corrupt why bother with it?!

To top it all off, you misquote the Bible and call God foolish. And you’re calling all believers foolish. That is an insult, to me and to God. May God have mercy on your soul.

did i said you foolish? even i didnt say that God is foolish or has foolish but paul did ,blame paul not me

 

[ahmadhassan]

Originally Posted by chet View Post
He is both true God and True man.His divine nature witch he had from all eternity and his human nature witch he received from Mary. If God is 1 Who is the “our image” referring to?
Ahmad or Ahmadi, I am still waiting for an answer if God Has only one persona: Who is the plural “our image” referring to? not in singular form “my image”?"

dont you believe that God is one?
with that of our image i`m repeating the same answer which you couldnt refute
our is for glory or for pleural? if for glory then thats mean that doesnt mention trinity if for pleural then they arent one and he should have been saying my not our bec he is one and the father is the son (if you believe that father is the son then that contradicting bible which say that they are not the same and christ (son) isnt Good and cant do by himself and that the father John 7:16Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me.

 

[ahmadhassan]

The Lamb of God’s blood was put on two posts when all the Jews had him killed found to be unblemished by the examination of Pilate.

i think at this time of "you only son " is referring to prophet ishmael not prophet issac (peace be upon them)
can you say he wasnt?

 

[stbruno]

You can explore what our early church fathers said about the Holy Trinity by checking out this link.
catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0512frs.asp

 

[Booklover]

Telling the truth about a dangerous false religion is not hatred. If someone had told the truth and stopped Jim Jones, perhaps 900 people would not have been dead in Guyana. Islam has been the enemy of God and Christians and Jews since the middle ages and has been at war with the followers of Christ since early times. Their stated objective is to convert us, or kill us or subjugate us. Nothing more, nothing less. Their religion promotes and condones murder, rape, child molestation and the oppression of women. If I had dangerous vermin in my house, I would do my best to exterminate it, I would not be seeking ways to accommodate and live with it.

Thank you, Hosemonkey, for stating it as it is! I wholeheartedly agree!

Vickie :clapping: :dancing:

 

[MHalsey]

thats so bad when someone be ignorant ,if christ isnt from seed of joseph then how he is his father?

What is with the insults??

This is a classic example of you taking what was said out of context. Go back through the thread. No one here has claimed Jesus is the actual son of Joseph. However, the claim is that Joseph is his adoptive, or more literally, his foster father.

 

[ahmadhassan]

What is with the insults??

This is a classic example of you taking what was said out of context. Go back through the thread. No one here has claimed Jesus is the actual son of Joseph. However, the claim is that Joseph is his adoptive, or more literally, his foster father.

if christ wasnt son of joseph then he didnt fulfill messianic prophecy

 

[MHalsey]

i think at this time of "you only son " is referring to prophet ishmael not prophet issac (peace be upon them)
can you say he wasnt?

A classic example of a part of the Bible you think is corrupt. Look at the classic Hebrew text, not some Muslim version that replaces Isaac with Ishmael.

Yes, I can say he wasn’t.

 

[MHalsey]

if christ wasnt son of joseph then he didnt fulfill messianic prophecy

???

This makes no sense.

 

[ahmadhassan]

A classic example of a part of the Bible you think is corrupt. Look at the classic Hebrew text, not some Muslim version that replaces Isaac with Ishmael.

Yes, I can say he wasn’t.

i will answer from your bible
Genesis 16:16 Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore him Ishmael.
Genesis 21:5 Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him.
who was born first? its prophet ishmael
is ishmael son of abram?
Genesis 16:15 So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne.

 

[ahmadhassan]

???

This makes no sense.

B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID

According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (1) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father – and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David!

 

[MHalsey]

if christ wasnt son of joseph then he didnt fulfill messianic prophecy

Anyone else notice how Ahmad keeps saying “Christ”? Christ is Greek for anointed. Messiah is Hebrew for Anointed. Christ means Messiah.

Not that I have a problem with this. Perhaps deep down he knows the truth.

 

[ahmadhassan]

Anyone else notice how Ahmad keeps saying “Christ”? Christ is Greek for anointed. Messiah is Hebrew for Anointed. Christ means Messiah.

Not that I have a problem with this. Perhaps deep down he knows the truth.

wanna me tell you how many persons were called messiah before christ? does naming of prophet isa peace be upon him enough to be the messiah or he should fulfill prophecies?

 

[MHalsey]

B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID

According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (1) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

Really? And according to Christian sources, the Jews (with some exceptions) misinterpreted the prophecies and missed him when he came.

The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father – and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David!

The following is a quote one of the notes about the genealogy of Jesus in the NAB.

The natural genealogical line is broken but the promises to David are fulfilled; through Joseph’s **adoption **the child belongs to the family of David.

 

[ahmadhassan]

Really? And according to Christian sources, the Jews (with some exceptions) misinterpreted the prophecies and missed him when he came.

The following is a quote one of the notes about the genealogy of Jesus in the NAB.

adoption isnt true geneology bec he wasnt from seed of david ,was he?