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buffalo
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It is important to remember that years ago the abortionists cleverly change their name to pro-choice.
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Pong
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Really? Documentation of that etymological evolution would be a fascinating read. Somehow, though, it seems strange to think that anyone who supported the right to choose an abortion, adoption, or traditional parenting would see fit to call themselves “abortionists” or “pro-abortion.” It isn’t, after all, as if most people in the pro-choice crowd like abortion. -And everyone, skip the Margaret Sanger allegations, been there, heard that already-
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adstrinity
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The irony of this. He’s not, how shall I say, in control of his own vehicle.
Right, not cool. This is not a good way to die, and, he may not just yet. Poor guy.
Right, not cool. This is not a good way to die, and, he may not just yet. Poor guy.
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buffalo
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Sounds like you’re doing a pretty good job on it.
I agree with you on his politics. But you are all wet with your attitude. Who are you to judge him? (Work for his defeat, yes. Deride him publicly, yes. Pray for his death? Huh???)
Mat 5:44 (RSV) – but I say unto you, love your enemies, and pray for them that persecute you;
Rom 12:19-21 (RSV) – Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God; for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
How about praying for his conversion before he dies instead?
(After all, would you like God to have the same mercy to you that you are showing this particular politician?)
And remember, I am a knuckle-dragging conservative. But charity is charity.
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Pong
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Sorry, not being deliberately akward, but I failed to see, in the article you linked, buffalo, any substantiation for the claim you made.
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buffalo
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Did you read it and are you ready for the next piece?
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Pong
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Obviously, or I would not have asked you to point out a missing passage.
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buffalo
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National Abortion Rights Action League Founder Reminisces
**“Women must have control over their own bodies.” ****“Safe and legal abortion is every woman’s right.” **
**“Who decides? You decide!” **
"Freedom of choice – a basic American right."
The “pro-choice movement’s” emotionally compelling slogans – fierce rallying cries of the most successful political marketing campaign in modern history, which made abortion-on-demand legal in the U.S. – have been powerful rhetorical weapons for fighting off efforts to reverse Roe v. Wade, coming up on its 30th anniversary next month. “I remember laughing when we made those slogans up,” recalls Bernard Nathanson, M.D., co-founder of pro-abortion group NARAL, reminiscing about the early days of the pro-abortion movement in the late '60s and early '70s.
“We were looking for some sexy, catchy slogans to capture public opinion. They were very cynical slogans then, just as all of these slogans today are very, very cynical.”
Should I continue?
**“Women must have control over their own bodies.” ****“Safe and legal abortion is every woman’s right.” **
**“Who decides? You decide!” **
"Freedom of choice – a basic American right."
The “pro-choice movement’s” emotionally compelling slogans – fierce rallying cries of the most successful political marketing campaign in modern history, which made abortion-on-demand legal in the U.S. – have been powerful rhetorical weapons for fighting off efforts to reverse Roe v. Wade, coming up on its 30th anniversary next month. “I remember laughing when we made those slogans up,” recalls Bernard Nathanson, M.D., co-founder of pro-abortion group NARAL, reminiscing about the early days of the pro-abortion movement in the late '60s and early '70s.
“We were looking for some sexy, catchy slogans to capture public opinion. They were very cynical slogans then, just as all of these slogans today are very, very cynical.”
Should I continue?
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Er… yes. Because I still don’t see anything indicating that “years ago the abortionists cleverly change their name to pro-choice,” as you have stated. I see the slogans that were created, but I still fail to see anything objectionable. Furthermore, those slogans that you posted endorse the right to choose. I see nothing that encourages women to have abortions or not to. It encourages them to make their own choice. I would also like to add that I firmly disagree with pro-choice propaganda that attempts to cloud the issue by refusing to call abortion “abortion.” Bad analogies and emotional pleas are wrong on both sides.
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buffalo
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OK - ** **Choice Words
[ NARAL expunges abortion from its title
](http://shinbone.home.att.net/abort.4.htm)
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Ridgerunner
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It sometimes seems to me one of God’s mercies that He does not subject the rest of us, forever, to the Napoleons, Hitlers, Pol Pots, Maos, Stalins, Robber barons and lesser villains that afflict the rest of humanity. At some point, God tells them, as well as the rest of us, to depart from our ribcages. Likely that is a temporal good for those later generations who do not have to deal with those who have gained, though the passage of time, overwhelming power, wealth and expertise.
For that mercy, the innocent who come after us pay the price of the temporary loss of the better ones and the ones whom they love.
For that mercy, the innocent who come after us pay the price of the temporary loss of the better ones and the ones whom they love.
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Finally, we get to the part where you make your point. Thank you. So what we have established is that NARAL changed the meaning of the acronym to suit the political tide. Fair enough. But labeling the pro-choice movement “pro-abortion” is still wrong because it implies that to be pro-choice is to advocate abortion, rather than abortion rights.
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He isn’t dead yet. Perhaps, however, he will repent before he departs.
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I am really shocked at how this thread has progressed. Since it has gone this way, I see two themes being discussed. I will address each one.
1 - On abortion. To be truly Catholic, one must accept all that Holy mother Church believes and teaches. Not to do so, sets one up as his own arbiter of truth which is in effect protestant relativism. The Church teaches that life begins at the moment of conception. You can call the child anything you want to, it does not cease being a child because of it. To “terminate” the life of that child is murder, pure and simple. ** If you do not believe this, you are not truly Catholic.** no matter what you say.
**2 - As to Senator Kennedy. ** While I do not agree with his pro choice policies, or for most of his politics for that matter. Be that as it may, judgment is not ours. Remember the scripture verse, as you judge, so shall you be judged. We are taught in the divine mercy way of life that Jesus desires mercy, not justice and that mercy triumphs over justice. We even pray, “Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.” This sounds like a condition to me, and in every theology course I have had, that is exactly what it is. Instead of being smug and saying this is what he deserves, which is not for any of us to say, we should be praying for him, in sickness and in health that he may be reconciled with God when he is called. We must do this for everyone. Please think about what you are saying.
Prayers and blessings
Deacocn Ed B
1 - On abortion. To be truly Catholic, one must accept all that Holy mother Church believes and teaches. Not to do so, sets one up as his own arbiter of truth which is in effect protestant relativism. The Church teaches that life begins at the moment of conception. You can call the child anything you want to, it does not cease being a child because of it. To “terminate” the life of that child is murder, pure and simple. ** If you do not believe this, you are not truly Catholic.** no matter what you say.
**2 - As to Senator Kennedy. ** While I do not agree with his pro choice policies, or for most of his politics for that matter. Be that as it may, judgment is not ours. Remember the scripture verse, as you judge, so shall you be judged. We are taught in the divine mercy way of life that Jesus desires mercy, not justice and that mercy triumphs over justice. We even pray, “Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.” This sounds like a condition to me, and in every theology course I have had, that is exactly what it is. Instead of being smug and saying this is what he deserves, which is not for any of us to say, we should be praying for him, in sickness and in health that he may be reconciled with God when he is called. We must do this for everyone. Please think about what you are saying.
Prayers and blessings
Deacocn Ed B
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Wirraway
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Man-o-manischewitz that is harsh. No doubt God will take the OP’s recommendation under advisement.
I read this forum at times to remind myself why I don’t want to be a hard line RC.
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You say this as if you are the final authority. I can believe in accordance with my well-formed conscience and still be a Catholic, as much as it may pain you.
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Thanks Deacon Ed B for your reprimand. This thread makes me question whether some folks call themselves Catholic, but seem to have missed the point that Charity is the enduring virtue.
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Believe me when I say this, I am not the final authority. I am only a messenger. Let those who have ears hear.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
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buffalo
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AKA a conscience of convenience.
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