'God Cannot Be God Without Man,' Pope Francis Says

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Apparently Pope Francis has studied Jewish theology. This idea that G-d needs man is reminiscent of Jewish teaching that G-d has forged a legal, social, and moral contract with humanity such that G-d does His share and we do ours in making the world a better place to live for all. G-d is intertwined in our destiny and truly cares that we fulfill our share of the bargain for our own sake. This reveals the great love that G-d has for His whole creation and particularly His human creation, whose purpose on earth is to care for others, including not only our fellow human, but animals, plants, Mother Earth. I am surprised that Christians would question Pope Francis’ wise words, being that Christianity believes the L-rd Himself took human form for the salvation of mankind.

God has exsisted forever and man has only been around for a 100,000 years at least as modern man. So if God needed man to be God, then he has only been God for about 100,000 thousand years?

 

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God has exsisted forever and man has only been around for a 100,000 years at least as modern man. So if God needed man to be God, then he has only been God for about 100,000 thousand years?

I’m no theologian, so this post can be safely ignored.

But I keep coming back to the fact that God intended all things from all eternity. His thought and intent is His act. He is complete within Himself.

So, it’s hard not to conclude that He intended man from all eternity, and that intention was always part of Himself. If one deducts that from God, then He would no longer be complete. So in that highly theoretical sense, God could not be God without Man…or without stars or planets or angels either, for that matter.

Sounds to me like something Jesuits would ruminate about. But it’s a bit esoteric for us groundlings.

 

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I’m no theologian, so this post can be safely ignored.

But I keep coming back to the fact that God intended all things from all eternity. His thought and intent is His act. He is complete within Himself.

So, it’s hard not to conclude that He intended man from all eternity, and that intention was always part of Himself. If one deducts that from God, then He would no longer be complete. So in that highly theoretical sense, God could not be God without Man…or without stars or planets or angels either, for that matter.

Sounds to me like something Jesuits would ruminate about. But it’s a bit esoteric for us groundlings.

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*'God transcends creation and is present to it.

300 God is infinitely greater than all his works: "You have set your glory above the heavens."156 Indeed, God’s “greatness is unsearchable”.157 But because he is the free and sovereign Creator, the first cause of all that exists, God is present to his creatures’ inmost being: "In him we live and move and have our being."158’*

‘319 God created the world to show forth and communicate his glory. That his creatures should share in his truth, goodness and beauty - this is the glory for which God created them.’

 

[philipl]

I’m no theologian, so this post can be safely ignored.

But I keep coming back to the fact that God intended all things from all eternity. His thought and intent is His act. He is complete within Himself.

So, it’s hard not to conclude that He intended man from all eternity, and that intention was always part of Himself. If one deducts that from God, then He would no longer be complete. So in that highly theoretical sense, God could not be God without Man…or without stars or planets or angels either, for that matter.

Sounds to me like something Jesuits would ruminate about. But it’s a bit esoteric for us groundlings.

What I wrote is a fact. Its is proven science. This universe started and it will end. God has done neither. At some point man will not exsist in this universe. All our souls will either be in heaven, purgatory, or Hell.