God cannot create a being with free will!

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If you agree that we would always make the same calls if we were to replicate the circumstances exactly, then even though that is impossible, you are saying that free will is an illusion.
You have not read my other posts.
Free will is not at all about the making of choices - it is about Assenting willingly to the things you are doing rather than Dissenting to the things you are doing yet still having to do them.

Knowing Assent Acting rather than unknowing reacting.
 
You have not read my other posts.
Free will is not at all about the making of choices - it is about Assenting willingly to the things you are doing rather than Dissenting to the things you are doing yet still having to do them.

Knowing Assent Acting rather than unknowing reacting.
I’ve read your posts, John. I’m just not sure that I agree with them.

I can’t see that it makes any sense to say that any decision that you make is not assenting willingly. You may not want to do whatever it is you decide but…and I feel that this is the important point, it is the best decision for you, under those circumstances, at that time. The result may not actually be beneficial for you. You may decide to do something that is detrimental, even to the point of causing injury (rescuing someone from that same burning building), but it is a choice that you would always make under those circumstances.

You weigh up the pros and cons and make the call. There isn’t an option for making two decisions so the one you do make is dictated by the circumstances and your own personality. The circumstances are fixed and there is only one of you. If there was an EXACT replica of you in the same circumstances, then that ‘other you’ would make the same call. If he didn’t, then he wouldn’t be you. And if you were in slightly different circumstances, then it’s not the same decision.

I might point out that I am testing the waters here. I am not entirely definite about this. I’m playing the Devil’s Advocate to some extent. But it seems to make sense…
 
If these assertions about no free will were true, that one “is a function”, outputting consistently identical behavior from identical (name removed by moderator)uts, then there would be no culpability. However, when the courts rule “guilty”, the argument of no free will never succeeds, except in cases of insanity (meaning no use of reason). “You could have done otherwise but chose to ignore justice” is equivalent to saying, you have free will.
Without free will, there could be no judicial system, nor law, nor claims of being wronged.

That’s enough said.
 
If these assertions about no free will were true, that one “is a function”, outputting consistently identical behavior from identical (name removed by moderator)uts, then there would be no culpability.
Certainly worthy of consideration. I don’t like the idea of determinism any more than the next guy (you being the next guy in this case, John), but arguments against free will seem to imply it. Is a psychopath doomed to play the part? Is it a script he must follow? And if that is so, can it be said that we can hold him responsible?

Still working through this…
 
That is why I choose “want” instead of “need”. You need food and you may choose or want to starve because of a reason for example to show that you have free will. But the very fact that you want to starve is based on a reason means that you are not free.

I am sure that you have experienced moments that you are not sure about what option to choose for period of time. I had such of experience.
You said “need or want.” Reasons do not compel the will; you have not established causal necessity.

I experience uncertainty from time to time, but that proves nothing.
 
That is the definition of an un-determined will (able to do many different things)
Free has to do with the will either being constrained or not - willingly doing the chosen thing versus unwillingly doing the chosen thing.
The choices should be equally liked if there is no constraint.
 
No that means that you are uncertain about options because they are equally liked.
Is it possible to freely choose a spouse? If so, how?

According to your theory it seems that most people do not choose their partners freely because their “want” has no equal.
 
Is it possible to freely choose a spouse? If so, how?

According to your theory it seems that most people do not choose their partners freely because their “want” has no equal.
You are still have two options: not to have or have a spouse.
 
Then you pick up the woman you like more unless there is a reason, like whatever.
Sounds like free to me - picking what you want rather than being a slave to being stuck with what you don’t want.

But, will the woman want you?
 
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