God cannot sustain the creation because he cannot know what is the current time

[Bahman]

Sorry I just don’t get it. Could someone else, as well as Bahman, please respond to this and show me the error of my ways.

Now I agree the state of creation is changeable to us, but how is the state of creation changeable to God?

States of creation is changeless to God. God cannot have changeable knowledge considering the fact that he and his mind is changeless.

If creation needs to change say a gazillion times to be sustained and God already has seen and knows, basically has experienced, everyone of these changes, how can he not sustain them?

We can attack to this problem in two different ways. Either we construct our argument from God perspective or creation perspective. First and second argument in post #113. Which one do you prefer?

If I know by heart every step of the instruction manual, do I need to read and concentrate on every step to keep the car running or build the widget?

That depends whether you believe that creation can run at its own or it cannot.

Are we placing ourselves in a bubble that God is unable to penetrate? And why can’t he penetrate the bubble? He already has in the form of Jesus.

I believe that we are putting God in a bubble that he could not exist because of our way of defining God.

The Bible speaks of many times God has sent an Angel to earth to bring us a message. Who can say he doesn’t also do that to sustain creation, if he had to that is, I don’t think he does. I mean if all else fails if I were God and was “stuck” in the timeless realm I would just send my angels to earth to bring me back real time updates. Yeah that’s how I would do it.

That is a problem for a God who is in state of timeless.

 

[Bahman]

That makes no sense with respect to b-theory of time in which creation is static, a four dimensional world, which is both timeless and changeless.

That in fact make sense. It seems that there is no problem in b-theory of time!

 

[MT1926]

I am not sure if you realize this but you did not answer any of my questions, you basically stated more opinions and questions.

States of creation is changeless to God. God cannot have changeable knowledge considering the fact that he and his mind is changeless.

Your opinion, even if it is a fact, I would like to know why?

We can attack to this problem in two different ways. Either we construct our argument from God perspective or creation perspective. First and second argument in post #113. Which one do you prefer?

We have already done both, your responses are always your opinions, I would like reasoning.

That depends whether you believe that creation can run at its own or it cannot.

I already stated I believe it can so why would you ask me again? How about giving me some evidence why it can’t?

I believe that we are putting God in a bubble that he could not exist because of our way of defining God.

So what? Even if he is in the bubble you gave no evidence why he cannot penetrate a bubble he has already proven he has penetrated?

That is a problem for a God who is in state of timeless.

Nope I think this is a problem for you who refuses to believe anything other than your own opinions.

 

[Bahman]

I am not sure if you realize this but you did not answer any of my questions, you basically stated more opinions and questions.

I don’t think so but lets give it another try.

Your opinion, even if it is a fact, I would like to know why?

1. God is changeless
2. From (1) we can deduce that God’s knowledge is changeless.
3. State of creation is subjected to change at current time, now.
4. From (3) we can deduce that the knowledge of state of creation at now is subject to change.
5. From (2) and (4) we can deduce that God cannot have the knowledge of state of creation at now
6. From (5) we can deduce that God cannot sustain creation at now

We have already done both, your responses are always your opinions, I would like reasoning.

Please read previous comment.

I already stated I believe it can so why would you ask me again? How about giving me some evidence why it can’t?

If we accept the fact that God cannot sustain creation and the fact that God exist then we can deduce that creation is running on its own.

So what? Even if he is in the bubble you gave no evidence why he cannot penetrate a bubble he has already proven he has penetrated?

This is matter of how we define God. God is either timeless and changeless or temporal and changeable. Which one do you pick up?

Nope I think this is a problem for you who refuses to believe anything other than your own opinions.

I don’t think so.