God dissapoints me

[Meemai]

First of all, if you don’t like cynical written topics please avoid this topic. As I remember most Religious people don’t like cynical things! Which I do respect. But if you want to tumble in a dogfight with me, stay on reading as we will explore the skies and push ourselves and our intellect to the limit! (Don’t mind the last part I like to play with words.)

Allright in all seriousness, mind my English as I am Dutch and I sometimes catch myself on being bad it it!

So let’s jump right in, I want you to take a look at the world. Europa is in peril financial Europe is doing bad. Japan is also doing bad I heard from a Japanese woman I met on the train. I don’t know how the USA is doing, but I know they are spieing on the world. In Russia gays are being prosecuted. In Syria there’s fighting and also in other parts of the world, for example in Africa where muslims extremists where cut back mainly by the French army.

Now from the worldview let’s get close to the closer view, western civilisation most people and not all but most are selfish. I don’t expect anything anymore from my fellow-humans. We betray each other when we can, we lie when we can. We are afraid to show our errors and hide them even if it means hurting someone else. Remember when I said push ourselves to the limit in the start of the text? Every human is pushing itself to the limit, to the limit of being selfish. Now there are times when people are not selfish when family or friends are involved. Or when we as humans are being kind to each others because we share something, maybe even religion.

But let’s not be mistaken! Rule of thumb is most humans think about they’re selves and will handly acordingly and everyone that says that humans do not do this is a liar. I don’t know how God wanted to create us but when I see birds in my garden when there’s not enough food for two, the stronger will shoo away the weaker. Are humans also created like this? Is the form of lifestyle we humans founded not the way God meant it to be? Where we meant to live in the forests instead of building big *** houses out of concrete or wood?

To be honest we are destroying nature, people are hunting on animals, throwing empty cans on the street and not paying any atention to the critters and other animals that roam our world.

And this all hurts me I am a man with ideals, but all I can see is people being poor or living on the streets. While others have houses with 5 rooms while they only use 3. Surely this world is unfair and I wonder why God is asleep?

Does he not see the hurt? Is this what he meant? How can I trust my own God if I even see my fellow christians hating on gays? I mean come on really? We should help our fellow people.

I wish I could make big changes I wish I could write about it like great thinkers did, like Albert Camus or Soren Kierkegaard. But God gave me no talent. And I’m angry that he did not give me the talent to do something against it. He shows me a world of hurt and pain that’s rotten but gives me no ways of changing it.

To be honest if the devil could give me the power to end the pain of this world, I would een be tempted to take it. Because God seems asleep. All great minds like big philosophers are gone and made way for people at the top that only want money and in the midst of wanting money fail to safeguard the peoples money and start a financial crisis by they’re stupidity.

I have spoken enough I think as this topic might have gotten to long for you all to read but I hope you can understand the gist of where I want to go and where I am going.

 

[ACanthony]

Hello my Dutch friend.

It sounds like you want your home to be on earth and not Heaven, am I right? Yes, there is immense suffering in the world. The poor suffer. The mentally ill suffer. The divorced suffer. The abandoned. The uneducated. Even the wisest person in the world still will suffer from time to time on this planet. But we live in a sin stained world. We are not in paradise. This is not our home. I believe this world was meant to be our paradise, but then sin entered the world because of Adam and Eve. Those things you say are true (about the suffering of the world), but the truth is, in the end, all those who submit to God’s will win. The war is already over (yet we still have our spiritual battles of course). Evil will surely NOT win out. Christ has already gained victory for those who trust in Him.

Christ’s life is evident of that suffering. Christ, God taking the form of man, was sentenced to a death he surely did not deserve! We Americans are watching this George Zimmerman trial and scrutinizing whether he is guilty or not. If only those same people analyzed whether Christ was truly guilty or not because surely he was an innocent man! If Christ suffered, so shall we if we follow Him (and if we don’t follow Him, all the riches in the world will not save us from suffering from not having the bliss of eternal joy).

Jesus came and said blessed are the meek. Blessed are the peacemakers and poor in spirit. It is clear all in this world are not poor in spirit, and yes, it does seem like there are lots of people that are selfish (I am very selfish too when I compare myself to the person I should compare myself to in Jesus Christ). It is a human tendency to want to think of ourselves and therefore we should strive to “die to ourselves” each and every day. We need to strive to carry the cross and not abandon it! The world is rough and we will abandon it from time to time because are weak, and that is why we have the gift of Confession of sins.

We certainly should want to make the world a better place. " Be the change you wish to see in the world" as Ghandi said. Yet, this is not our home. We are pilgrims wandering this land. There is sin and there is suffering. Christ came to call all sinners. Regarding your mention of hating gays, hate is never the answer. Those that hate gays are not right in doing so and Christ cringes whenever His son or daughter hates. Yet, homosexual acts (just as well as pre-maritial sex acts or pornographic use) are very sinful and we must stand up against sin. We all sin, yet we must fight against institutionalized sin.

It pains me to see the world the way it is too. I like to think I can have so much joy in the world, yet at the same time, the world is in trouble. But St. Paul tells us to fill our minds with the beautiful and the pure and the true and noble things of this world. Do not keep your head in the sand by no means! But set our minds on Christ who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. He died so that we can be set free. Not necessarily in this world, but the next. Our goal is to follow Him, to truly be another Christ in the world. Imagine if all those who called themselves Christians were truly another Christ! May God give you peace.

 

[TK421]

You have really weird priorities. The West is going downhill precisely because we’re exclusively trying to fix internal bleeding with topical band-aids.

 

[Contra_Mundum_1]

This is a fallen world and what you see are consequences of sin. The church teaches that the root of it all is original sin. Amidst all this darkness is the light of Christ. If you look more carefully you will find people who strive to become Christ-like and do good for the love of God and humanity. The church has so many saints, and you can easily learn about the canonised ones. There are the living saints too, and often they are not celebrated as great people. They live quietly and make this world a better place.

I’m sure you want God to fix everything and get rid of all pain and injustice. We’d all like that. But for some reason He has decided to take a different approach. We have Jesus who has shown us the way. We are all responsible to make this world a better place, and the change starts with us. Many people are disappointed with God for having chosen to do things this way and many doubt He exists precisely because they can’t understand why He allows suffering and injustice. But His ways are not our ways and it takes faith and humility to fully accept that. Perhaps you should pray for this, that your heart and mind are open to His truth and that you have a growing desire to become like Christ. The more you do this the less bitter you are about the state of the world.

 

[rafarose]

I sometimes look at this world and think the exact same thing. Where is the justice to the unborn children? Where is justice to my people in Iraq?
Yet, I wonder to myself, who am I? And what is my purpose in this life? At times, I feel that I have none and at times I feel so motivated to be the best that I can be. And then the cycle goes on and on and on. But then something happened and I realized that this is NOT my plan, this is NOT my world, and this is NOT my will.
You can NOT carry ALL the burdens of this world on your own shoulder. It is God’s will and His only will.

I was in the exact same place, but once, during Eucharistic adoration I realized …WOW it is God who loves me. It is about Jesus and not me. I am NOT here to save the world, but it is God through Jesus who already did that.
This is not a perfect world, because remember that Jesus himself said that this world did NOT know him.

Take everything simply with a grain of humility. Look at the lives of the saints, through God’s grace anything can be done. Particularly, look at the life of Saint Maria Gorretti whose feast day is coming up. She was raped and stabbed to death. At her death bed she chose to forgive her perpetrator. This man later on repented and joined a monastery.

Trust in God’s will and love and then leave the rest to him. You never know, one day you might touch someone’s life without even knowing.

 

[Pablopedro]

First of all, if you don’t like cynical written topics please avoid this topic. As I remember most Religious people don’t like cynical things! Which I do respect. But if you want to tumble in a dogfight with me, stay on reading as we will explore the skies and push ourselves and our intellect to the limit! (Don’t mind the last part I like to play with words.)

Allright in all seriousness, mind my English as I am Dutch and I sometimes catch myself on being bad it it!

So let’s jump right in, I want you to take a look at the world. Europa is in peril financial Europe is doing bad. Japan is also doing bad I heard from a Japanese woman I met on the train. I don’t know how the USA is doing, but I know they are spieing on the world. In Russia gays are being prosecuted. In Syria there’s fighting and also in other parts of the world, for example in Africa where muslims extremists where cut back mainly by the French army.

Now from the worldview let’s get close to the closer view, western civilisation most people and not all but most are selfish. I don’t expect anything anymore from my fellow-humans. We betray each other when we can, we lie when we can. We are afraid to show our errors and hide them even if it means hurting someone else. Remember when I said push ourselves to the limit in the start of the text? Every human is pushing itself to the limit, to the limit of being selfish. Now there are times when people are not selfish when family or friends are involved. Or when we as humans are being kind to each others because we share something, maybe even religion.

But let’s not be mistaken! Rule of thumb is most humans think about they’re selves and will handly acordingly and everyone that says that humans do not do this is a liar. I don’t know how God wanted to create us but when I see birds in my garden when there’s not enough food for two, the stronger will shoo away the weaker. Are humans also created like this? Is the form of lifestyle we humans founded not the way God meant it to be? Where we meant to live in the forests instead of building big *** houses out of concrete or wood?

To be honest we are destroying nature, people are hunting on animals, throwing empty cans on the street and not paying any atention to the critters and other animals that roam our world.

And this all hurts me I am a man with ideals, but all I can see is people being poor or living on the streets. While others have houses with 5 rooms while they only use 3. Surely this world is unfair and I wonder why God is asleep?

Does he not see the hurt? Is this what he meant? How can I trust my own God if I even see my fellow christians hating on gays? I mean come on really? We should help our fellow people.

I wish I could make big changes I wish I could write about it like great thinkers did, like Albert Camus or Soren Kierkegaard. But God gave me no talent. And I’m angry that he did not give me the talent to do something against it. He shows me a world of hurt and pain that’s rotten but gives me no ways of changing it.

To be honest if the devil could give me the power to end the pain of this world, I would een be tempted to take it. Because God seems asleep. All great minds like big philosophers are gone and made way for people at the top that only want money and in the midst of wanting money fail to safeguard the peoples money and start a financial crisis by they’re stupidity.

I have spoken enough I think as this topic might have gotten to long for you all to read but I hope you can understand the gist of where I want to go and where I am going.

question.

Do you think God should remove a person’s free-will, or take away there ability to think or act of their own ability, if it will prevent them from doing evil?

And is so, when should He do this? For all sins?

 

[jen197577]

God created you, don’t be disappointed. Take responsibility for your own actions. If the can on the street bothers you, pick it up and put it where it should be. If someone needs a meal and it bothers you, take the initiative to make him/ her a sandwich. Don’t expect anyone else to do it. Maybe God is enlightening you that it’s yours to do. We have to stop trying to fix everyone else’s problems and take care of ours one step at a time.

God gave us the greatest gift of all, free will. He sent his Son to earth who was crucified. Quit whinning and start with the extra rooms in your own home. We live in a world full of Evil because there is a devil and he knows how to push the right buttons of doubt and despair. Quit with the Social Justice and meet the needs of those that God places in front of you with love and a smile.

Have a greatful smile for the lovely life that God has given you and have a peaceful day,

 

[tuscany]

**Perhaps God doesn’t want you to change the whole world. Instead, change the whole world for one person.

“Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could only do a little.”
–Edmund Burke

“We must not, in trying to think about how we can make a big difference, ignore the small daily differences we can make which, over time, add up to big differences that we often cannot foresee.”
–Marian Wright Edelman

“Find a need and fill it.”
–Ruth Stafford Peale

“If you can’t feed a hundred people, then feed just one.”
–Mother Teresa**

 

[PennyinCanada]

When I read your list, it seems to me that your title should be more along the lines of People disappoint me.

God is the one who told us not to do these things, and even in our sin, he still took on flesh and willed to die on a cross. It makes me shiver to think of it. I am not disappointed in God, I am in awe of His long suffering and patience with sinners.

“How can I trust my own God if I even see my fellow christians hating on gays? I mean come on really? We should help our fellow people.”
This is a false assumption, that because we see things differently, we must hate them. It’s not true. People who hate and degrade others, call them awful names, they don’t know who they are as children of God. Don’t make Christians the enemy here. We can disagree with our neighbor and yet cut their grass, shovel their snow, when they are ill. Bring them food and offer compassion when a family member dies, and yet disagree. The haters and name callers are not doing that.

 

[pwlj_christ87]

i can understand your dismay and i too am dissappoitned but one thing i have come to realize through knowledge of the bible and listening to various sermons at mass is that were not here for a long time and our true home is heaven, where there is no pain no suffering no evil no sin. that being said, we have part and citizenship to heaven with the saints even now as we are here on earth and we are capable of experiencing that “heaven” here on earth when we abide in god’s loe, his will and partake in the divinity of jesus and his body.

this life is a struggle but as mentioned the war is already won… our “fight” is not against flesh and blood but spiritual darkness in heavenly places. the people that give into evil’s way are no more slaves to evil and darkness and they are not enemies but need healing , the same healing we received from christ

 

[Otche_Nash]

To the OP,
If you want to understand thoroughly why a loving God would allow:
a) suffering caused by humans
and
b) suffering caused by nature

I would suggest reading Fr. Robert Spitzer’s website MagisReasonFaith. Look under “encyclopedia”, from there to the first link.
If you are sincerely seeking an answer, rather than an alibi, there you will find it, in spades.

 

[tuscany]

Oooops, sorry, that was a paraphrase of something Mother Teresa said.

 

[Meemai]

Hello my Dutch friend.

It sounds like you want your home to be on earth and not Heaven, am I right? Yes, there is immense suffering in the world. The poor suffer. The mentally ill suffer. The divorced suffer. The abandoned. The uneducated. Even the wisest person in the world still will suffer from time to time on this planet. But we live in a sin stained world. We are not in paradise. This is not our home. I believe this world was meant to be our paradise, but then sin entered the world because of Adam and Eve. Those things you say are true (about the suffering of the world), but the truth is, in the end, all those who submit to God’s will win. The war is already over (yet we still have our spiritual battles of course). Evil will surely NOT win out. Christ has already gained victory for those who trust in Him.

Christ’s life is evident of that suffering. Christ, God taking the form of man, was sentenced to a death he surely did not deserve! We Americans are watching this George Zimmerman trial and scrutinizing whether he is guilty or not. If only those same people analyzed whether Christ was truly guilty or not because surely he was an innocent man! If Christ suffered, so shall we if we follow Him (and if we don’t follow Him, all the riches in the world will not save us from suffering from not having the bliss of eternal joy).

Jesus came and said blessed are the meek. Blessed are the peacemakers and poor in spirit. It is clear all in this world are not poor in spirit, and yes, it does seem like there are lots of people that are selfish (I am very selfish too when I compare myself to the person I should compare myself to in Jesus Christ). It is a human tendency to want to think of ourselves and therefore we should strive to “die to ourselves” each and every day. We need to strive to carry the cross and not abandon it! The world is rough and we will abandon it from time to time because are weak, and that is why we have the gift of Confession of sins.

We certainly should want to make the world a better place. " Be the change you wish to see in the world" as Ghandi said. Yet, this is not our home. We are pilgrims wandering this land. There is sin and there is suffering. Christ came to call all sinners. Regarding your mention of hating gays, hate is never the answer. Those that hate gays are not right in doing so and Christ cringes whenever His son or daughter hates. Yet, homosexual acts (just as well as pre-maritial sex acts or pornographic use) are very sinful and we must stand up against sin. We all sin, yet we must fight against institutionalized sin.

It pains me to see the world the way it is too. I like to think I can have so much joy in the world, yet at the same time, the world is in trouble. But St. Paul tells us to fill our minds with the beautiful and the pure and the true and noble things of this world. Do not keep your head in the sand by no means! But set our minds on Christ who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. He died so that we can be set free. Not necessarily in this world, but the next. Our goal is to follow Him, to truly be another Christ in the world. Imagine if all those who called themselves Christians were truly another Christ! May God give you peace.

Hey, thanks for your reply.
Of course this place might be considered a passing trough. But how can one believe in heaven if it is hell here? Even priests are being killed in war zones like Syria, how can this be just? How can you expect them to trust God when they are having they’re hands tied and are about to get they’re head chopped off.​

I know we can all say to believe in God is to sign up to die. But is that really how it’s suposed to be? And the unreligious are they all going to hell, why have we lost touch with hem. Why does God not help us he surely send Jesus out once in which he interefered. But right now all we say is the last ones will be the first, and the blessed are the meek, but dosen’t this sound like hollow words? I don’t mean to disrespect Jesus here but it offers no consolation.​

Ghandi is actually a nice example of things, why did God stop putting people like this on our earth?

You have really weird priorities. The West is going downhill precisely because we’re exclusively trying to fix internal bleeding with topical band-aids.

No it’s because bank companies loan out fictive numbers they do not have. You loan 1 dollar to them and they make 5 fictive dollars out of it and loan that to someone else. Greed of the bank companies and stupid systems made the west fail.

And of course the way people in the west think the mentality etc.

 

[Meemai]

This is a fallen world and what you see are consequences of sin. The church teaches that the root of it all is original sin. Amidst all this darkness is the light of Christ. If you look more carefully you will find people who strive to become Christ-like and do good for the love of God and humanity. The church has so many saints, and you can easily learn about the canonised ones. There are the living saints too, and often they are not celebrated as great people. They live quietly and make this world a better place.

I’m sure you want God to fix everything and get rid of all pain and injustice. We’d all like that. But for some reason He has decided to take a different approach. We have Jesus who has shown us the way. We are all responsible to make this world a better place, and the change starts with us. Many people are disappointed with God for having chosen to do things this way and many doubt He exists precisely because they can’t understand why He allows suffering and injustice. But His ways are not our ways and it takes faith and humility to fully accept that. Perhaps you should pray for this, that your heart and mind are open to His truth and that you have a growing desire to become like Christ. The more you do this the less bitter you are about the state of the world.

I guess you could call it sin, but if God is really om(name removed by moderator)otent he could surely help us out the right way. But no there’s even corupcy in the Vatica, and God puts no one on this world that can do something. Probably he could even put someone on the world that can cure cancer but he dosen’t. Of course I can’t critizize him for that because well I don’t even know what God really is, but when I read he is love. If I had the power to help someone I loved I would do it. It just seems like God’s love is a other sort of love than what we humans know. Maybe my picture of God is what is wrong, but how should I picture him then?

I sometimes look at this world and think the exact same thing. Where is the justice to the unborn children? Where is justice to my people in Iraq?
Yet, I wonder to myself, who am I? And what is my purpose in this life? At times, I feel that I have none and at times I feel so motivated to be the best that I can be. And then the cycle goes on and on and on. But then something happened and I realized that this is NOT my plan, this is NOT my world, and this is NOT my will.
You can NOT carry ALL the burdens of this world on your own shoulder. It is God’s will and His only will.

I was in the exact same place, but once, during Eucharistic adoration I realized …WOW it is God who loves me. It is about Jesus and not me. I am NOT here to save the world, but it is God through Jesus who already did that.
This is not a perfect world, because remember that Jesus himself said that this world did NOT know him.

Take everything simply with a grain of humility. Look at the lives of the saints, through God’s grace anything can be done. Particularly, look at the life of Saint Maria Gorretti whose feast day is coming up. She was raped and stabbed to death. At her death bed she chose to forgive her perpetrator. This man later on repented and joined a monastery.

Trust in God’s will and love and then leave the rest to him. You never know, one day you might touch someone’s life without even knowing.

I’m sorry for your people in Iraq. Even if this is Gods will I do not feel like this is the world my God envisioned, did he make a mistake somewhere or did he know this would happen? He probably made mistakes before, look at the great flood that drowned everyone except the arc. The many saints that are around and making change have also ceased to exist. It seems world war 2 killed the last ones. And there might still be saints but not ones that had a big or large impact.

question.

Do you think God should remove a person’s free-will, or take away there ability to think or act of their own ability, if it will prevent them from doing evil?

And is so, when should He do this? For all sins?

Nice question nice argument, but why would he have to take free-will away? He could put a person on the world with a large intellect that could make the world a better place. I always think of Albert Camus whom was against the socialists because they would put people in concentration-camps. All friends and fellow philosophers and writers left Camus and started bad mouthing him, but later on it seems he was right. Sadly he got killed in a car accident. I mean why? This was surely one person that was standing up for the values of our fellow humans. He could also just flood the world and redo what he did with the Arc. He did that once for a reason.

 

[Meemai]

God created you, don’t be disappointed. Take responsibility for your own actions. If the can on the street bothers you, pick it up and put it where it should be. If someone needs a meal and it bothers you, take the initiative to make him/ her a sandwich. Don’t expect anyone else to do it. Maybe God is enlightening you that it’s yours to do. We have to stop trying to fix everyone else’s problems and take care of ours one step at a time.

God gave us the greatest gift of all, free will. He sent his Son to earth who was crucified. Quit whinning and start with the extra rooms in your own home. We live in a world full of Evil because there is a devil and he knows how to push the right buttons of doubt and despair. Quit with the Social Justice and meet the needs of those that God places in front of you with love and a smile.

Have a greatful smile for the lovely life that God has given you and have a peaceful day,

Sadly I wouldn’t have been writing this if I where doing okay and had all the power and time to help out other people. Sadly I’m strugling hard myself. How selfish that may sound.\

**Perhaps God doesn’t want you to change the whole world. Instead, change the whole world for one person.

“Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could only do a little.”
–Edmund Burke

“We must not, in trying to think about how we can make a big difference, ignore the small daily differences we can make which, over time, add up to big differences that we often cannot foresee.”
–Marian Wright Edelman

“Find a need and fill it.”
–Ruth Stafford Peale

“If you can’t feed a hundred people, then feed just one.”
–Mother Teresa**

It sounds nice and good willing, but it will not bring the changes this world needs. Unless we all became succesful politicians that would get powerful.

When I read your list, it seems to me that your title should be more along the lines of People disappoint me.

God is the one who told us not to do these things, and even in our sin, he still took on flesh and willed to die on a cross. It makes me shiver to think of it. I am not disappointed in God, I am in awe of His long suffering and patience with sinners.

“How can I trust my own God if I even see my fellow christians hating on gays? I mean come on really? We should help our fellow people.”
This is a false assumption, that because we see things differently, we must hate them. It’s not true. People who hate and degrade others, call them awful names, they don’t know who they are as children of God. Don’t make Christians the enemy here. We can disagree with our neighbor and yet cut their grass, shovel their snow, when they are ill. Bring them food and offer compassion when a family member dies, and yet disagree. The haters and name callers are not doing that.

I had a aqaurium and when one fish would hunt after the other I would have to seperate them. Resulting in my buying a second aquarium. Even though people dissapoint me he always has to power to do something. Even if it is to put someone on the world that can make change. Instead of that we get people like Justin Bieber that do not add to the world value at all. That just seems like God is trolling with me.

I guess your somewhat right at the last piece.

 

[Meemai]

i can understand your dismay and i too am dissappoitned but one thing i have come to realize through knowledge of the bible and listening to various sermons at mass is that were not here for a long time and our true home is heaven, where there is no pain no suffering no evil no sin. that being said, we have part and citizenship to heaven with the saints even now as we are here on earth and we are capable of experiencing that “heaven” here on earth when we abide in god’s loe, his will and partake in the divinity of jesus and his body.

this life is a struggle but as mentioned the war is already won… our “fight” is not against flesh and blood but spiritual darkness in heavenly places. the people that give into evil’s way are no more slaves to evil and darkness and they are not enemies but need healing , the same healing we received from christ

Also interesting but if the war has been won than for what purpose does earth stil exist. Why do we not go straight to heaven, and earth will die someday will humans cease to exist than also. Will we just remain in heaven? Does heaven even have a purpose? What would you do there?

To the OP,
If you want to understand thoroughly why a loving God would allow:
a) suffering caused by humans
and
b) suffering caused by nature

I would suggest reading Fr. Robert Spitzer’s website MagisReasonFaith. Look under “encyclopedia”, from there to the first link.
If you are sincerely seeking an answer, rather than an alibi, there you will find it, in spades.

Thanks for your suggestion will try it when I have a little bit more time on my hands.

You say God gave you no talent and your English is not good…but what you wrote is very heartfelt, vivid, and lyrical.
You wrote beautifully.

I have much to say about your thoughts, but I’m not going to say a word.
I’m curious what you’re going to come up with because you seem to be on the brink of understanding something big…:idea:

.

Nothing big, it’s normal I think almost everyone thinks like this I’m just thinking about it more than average.

 

[Pablopedro]

Nice question nice argument, but why would he have to take free-will away? He could put a person on the world with a large intellect that could make the world a better place. I always think of Albert Camus whom was against the socialists because they would put people in concentration-camps. All friends and fellow philosophers and writers left Camus and started bad mouthing him, but later on it seems he was right. Sadly he got killed in a car accident. I mean why? This was surely one person that was standing up for the values of our fellow humans. He could also just flood the world and redo what he did with the Arc. He did that once for a reason.

Large intellect like Pope Benedict XVI or St Thomas Aquinas or G.K. Chesterton? He puts many people like this in the world, they are largely ignored. After all we could all just follow the teachings of Jesus and the world would be a utopia.

And flood the world? Aside from the point that He promised not to do that again…what does this accomplish? But I’ll give a follow up question surrounding this idea…

Should God instantly kill anyone who commits evil? How often? For any sin committed?

 

[Meemai]

Large intellect like Pope Benedict XVI or St Thomas Aquinas or G.K. Chesterton? He puts many people like this in the world, they are largely ignored. After all we could all just follow the teachings of Jesus and the world would be a utopia.

And flood the world? Aside from the point that He promised not to do that again…what does this accomplish? But I’ll give a follow up question surrounding this idea…

Should God instantly kill anyone who commits evil? How often? For any sin committed?

St Thomas is not of this time and only still has influence on religious people, and pope Benedict clearly lacked diplomatical skills. I’ll have to check Chesterton but not knowing him and not knowing anyone that knows him. I don’t think he was succesful either.

The names you called are religious people but God surely can put non-religious people on the world to and give them a purpose. It would be nice if someone came with true potential good diplomacy skills and could do something about stuff in the world. Someone like Ghandi, Ghandi had a perfect mix of intellect and diplomatical skills.

That is also a problem I feel people that are christian only look at saints and pope’s and stuff inbetween. But the world is bigger than that! We cannot focus on the christian aspect only. Because christian leaders have no impact over non-religious gorups. We are only 33% Of which you have probably catholics and a whole lot of other christian beliefs. Where I live the protestants are about as big as the catholics. But the majority of people hold no religious beliefes. No surely a catholic person cannot push trough changed he just can’t. He does not have the backing of the world. Someone that is not afiliated to any religion he can make and push change.

Well I do not see the follow up question really following up. Let’s say I have a hard drive with a lot of corrupt data and I can keep using it really unefective or I can wipe the data and start a new. I would start a new.

The world is like a hard drive off corupt data. You can take out people out one by one but that won’t bring any solutions. You could flood the world and try to reshape, sometimes you need to destruct to reshape. For example when farmers burn the ground to make it more fertile again.

IF God would kill anyone that commits sins there wouldn’t be any humans anymore so it is not a follow up question since a flood is not the equilivant of killing people off one by one.

Let’s just say this world is going downhill and there’s no one on this world that’s up to the task of changing it. Teroristis will start increasing and in due time the rich can manipulate DNA in which you get super humans. And of course the none-rich poor humans will start becomming terorists against the super-humans.

I am not saying this will happen right now but I can see it happen. So how can I have faith in something when I’m living on a sinking ship?

Update:
I have to come to the conclusion that God just watches from above and has promised to not excersize power over us.

If this is true it has no reason to pray for anything in your life. Because he will not manipulate our lifes.

I hope I am wrong but it’s all I can conclude.

 

[Pablopedro]

St Thomas is not of this time and only still has influence on religious people, and pope Benedict clearly lacked diplomatical skills. I’ll have to check Chesterton but not knowing him and not knowing anyone that knows him. I don’t think he was succesful either.

The names you called are religious people but God surely can put non-religious people on the world to and give them a purpose. It would be nice if someone came with true potential good diplomacy skills and could do something about stuff in the world. Someone like Ghandi, Ghandi had a perfect mix of intellect and diplomatical skills.

That is also a problem I feel people that are christian only look at saints and pope’s and stuff inbetween. But the world is bigger than that! We cannot focus on the christian aspect only. Because christian leaders have no impact over non-religious gorups. We are only 33% Of which you have probably catholics and a whole lot of other christian beliefs. Where I live the protestants are about as big as the catholics. But the majority of people hold no religious beliefes. No surely a catholic person cannot push trough changed he just can’t. He does not have the backing of the world. Someone that is not afiliated to any religion he can make and push change.

Well I do not see the follow up question really following up. Let’s say I have a hard drive with a lot of corrupt data and I can keep using it really unefective or I can wipe the data and start a new. I would start a new.

The world is like a hard drive off corupt data. You can take out people out one by one but that won’t bring any solutions. You could flood the world and try to reshape, sometimes you need to destruct to reshape. For example when farmers burn the ground to make it more fertile again.

IF God would kill anyone that commits sins there wouldn’t be any humans anymore so it is not a follow up question since a flood is not the equilivant of killing people off one by one.

Let’s just say this world is going downhill and there’s no one on this world that’s up to the task of changing it. Teroristis will start increasing and in due time the rich can manipulate DNA in which you get super humans. And of course the none-rich poor humans will start becomming terorists against the super-humans.

I am not saying this will happen right now but I can see it happen. So how can I have faith in something when I’m living on a sinking ship?

Update:
I have to come to the conclusion that God just watches from above and has promised to not excersize power over us.

If this is true it has no reason to pray for anything in your life. Because he will not manipulate our lifes.

I hope I am wrong but it’s all I can conclude.

You are correct that I only named religious intellectuals. But you can name any number of others. There have been many many brilliant people from all walks of life and backgrounds that have tried to improve the world and sometimes they are even being pitted against one another.

Indeed you are correct that God killing sinners would wipe out all of humanity, but there in is my point. Why isn’t God doing this? Why isn’t he sending floods to destroy the vast majority of humanity, or wiping out the terrorists, or toppling evil corporations, etc?

We all want and hope that God will be extremely patient and forgiving toward ourselves because well it would be a very short run for us if he wasn’t. Yet despite the fact that we want near infinite patience from God for ourselves, we want him to hurry up and act with vengeance or justice toward others.

But they must be given the same opportunity as us, no? God isn’t cleaning up, because he is patient, loving, and forgiving. He is giving everyone every possible opportunity for reform. This goes right to the heart of the Lord’s Prayer…“Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.”

You are disappointed with God because he is patient and forgiving. Something to consider.

 

[Meemai]

You are correct that I only named religious intellectuals. But you can name any number of others. There have been many many brilliant people from all walks of life and backgrounds that have tried to improve the world and sometimes they are even being pitted against one another.

Indeed you are correct that God killing sinners would wipe out all of humanity, but there in is my point. Why isn’t God doing this? Why isn’t he sending floods to destroy the vast majority of humanity, or wiping out the terrorists, or toppling evil corporations, etc?

We all want and hope that God will be extremely patient and forgiving toward ourselves because well it would be a very short run for us if he wasn’t. Yet despite the fact that we want near infinite patience from God for ourselves, we want him to hurry up and act with vengeance or justice toward others.

But they must be given the same opportunity as us, no? God isn’t cleaning up, because he is patient, loving, and forgiving. He is giving everyone every possible opportunity for reform. This goes right to the heart of the Lord’s Prayer…“Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.”

You are disappointed with God because he is patient and forgiving. Something to consider.

In medieval times people got assasinated on a regular basis. People got death penalties and the church hanged people because suspicion of being a wish.

Of course the he has patient and he cannot do anything because at start of sin he would have to kill everyone are really nice arguments but are also utter ****.

Let’s look at why it is so?

Humans have certain character traits, let’s say serial murderes and pedophiles, why does God not remove this trait out of the world he could do that right? He would not have to kill someone but just take that trait away. Instead he let’s the trait rampage trough his whole church and we get pedophile priesters doing bad things. A touchy subject but none the less it shows God just let’s these treats exist. Also corrupcy in the papacy he just let’s that exist while he could influence the non corupt to do something against the corrupt.

These are all small things that could be done without killing anyone. But I guess it’s near impossible or he does not really want to. Or he just really is patient but his good name is getting stained and how can you believe in a leader that sits at a table all day waiting doing nothing even when his villages are raided and the peasants are pissed off?