God is the Reason not the Instigation

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God is the reason that the universe exists, not what instigated (began) it.

4-2=2 because of (due to) 2+2 = 4
4-2=2 has always been true because 2+2=4 has always been true
2+2 = 4 did not instigate 4-2=2, but is the reason that 4-2=2

The universe (4-2=2) exists because of (due to) God (2+2=4)
The universe (4-2=2) has always existed because God (2+2=4) has always existed.
God (2+2=4) did not instigate the universe (4-2=2), but is the reason that there is a universe (4-2=2).

God is the reason there is a universe. God did not begin (instigate) the universe. The universe did not begin and cannot end. To believe otherwise is mere superstition (and NOT of God).
 
God is the reason that the universe exists, not what instigated (began) it.

4-2=2 because of (due to) 2+2 = 4
4-2=2 has always been true because 2+2=4 has always been true
2+2 = 4 did not instigate 4-2=2, but is the reason that 4-2=2

The universe (4-2=2) exists because of (due to) God (2+2=4)
The universe (4-2=2) has always existed because God (2+2=4) has always existed.
God (2+2=4) did not instigate the universe (4-2=2), but is the reason that there is a universe (4-2=2).

God is the reason there is a universe. God did not begin (instigate) the universe. The universe did not begin and cannot end. To believe otherwise is mere superstition (and NOT of God).
Your argument here does not prove that the universe has always existed by logical necessity, but rather you have dogmatically made a claim that the universe emanates from Gods existence, rather than being caused.

I think that you have failed your own IQ test if you intended this to be a knock down argument, or even a worthy assertion.
 
Your argument here does not prove that the universe has always existed by logical necessity, but rather you have dogmatically made a claim that the universe emanates from Gods existence, rather than being caused.

I think that you have failed your own IQ test if you intended this to be a knock down argument, or even a worthy assertion.
No. It was not intended as a proof of anything. It is just an assertion and explanation. The IQ test is the logical proof of the assertion that time must have always existed. This is just explaining why God is called the “First Cause”. The “Cause” in that term and title refers to logical cause (reason), not temporal cause (instigation). 🙂
 
God is the reason that the universe exists, not what instigated (began) it.

God is the reason there is a universe. God did not begin (instigate) the universe. The universe did not begin and cannot end. To believe otherwise is mere superstition (and NOT of God).
Are you familiar with the Electric Universe theory?
 
Are you familiar with the Electric Universe theory?
“Familiar” perhaps (assuming you are not talking about the trance group). I haven’t studied the details enough to give an opinion. Why do you ask? 🤓
 
“Familiar” perhaps (assuming you are not talking about the trance group). I haven’t studied the details enough to give an opinion. Why do you ask? 🤓
No specific reason, just a thought you might be interested in its theories - no Big Bang, no Dark Matter, no Black Holes, Gravity as a weak force, Plasma Cosmology - different from accepted norms 🙂
 
No specific reason, just a thought you might be interested in its theories - no Big Bang, no Dark Matter, no Black Holes, Gravity as a weak force, Plasma Cosmology - different from accepted norms 🙂
Yes, sounds interesting but is probably attempting to deal with what are just details to me. My metaphysics make such concerns a little irrelevant as I deal only with what must be rather than what has been observed and/or guessed to be. While I spell out the make and properties of a water molecule, others get wrapped up in the definition of the hurricane. I believe in starting with what is immutably known, not what is or isn’t seen or believed. 😉
 
Yes, sounds interesting but is probably attempting to deal with what are just details to me. My metaphysics make such concerns a little irrelevant as I deal only with what must be rather than what has been observed and/or guessed to be. While I spell out the make and properties of a water molecule, others get wrapped up in the definition of the hurricane. I believe in starting with what is immutably known, not what is or isn’t seen or believed. 😉
Just in case curiosity gets the better of you here’s a link thunderbolts.info/home.htm
As for metaphysics do you concentrate on cosmology or on ontology … or both ? It would be interesting to read some of your findings:)
 
Just in case curiosity gets the better of you here’s a link thunderbolts.info/home.htm
As for metaphysics do you concentrate on cosmology or on ontology … or both ? It would be interesting to read some of your findings:)
I read that site and looked up a little more to see how far they seem to be getting with their efforts.

In my writings (a slowly forming book), I emphasis very precise logic and the very deep "why"s for just about everything in physics and a lot of the mind and society. I begin, much as in Genesis, with the concept of absolute nothingness and concentrate on why it is that anything exists at all, the make of the universe and even God (that one will break your brain if anything will). I try to make no presumptions without later proving that the presumption was a necessary rational assumption, although leave nothing unquestioned and thus remove the age-old concern of having to have axioms. I even get into why logic is logic, “metalogic”. I deal with concerns well above the Abramic religions. Thomas Aquinas meant well, but was a novice. 😉

The biggest issue is merely language. To discuss such extreme depths of reality, one must be very careful to define the precise intention of the words being used and their concepts. But in doing so, discussing anything with a common crowd becomes nearly impossible as most words carry skewed, distorted, diverse, and connotative misunderstandings.

I get into what the universe is actually made of, why it is a continuum without discontinuity, why we have 3 spacial dimensions (and cannot have a fourth), why there is positive and negative, what causes distance and size, why motion exists, why quantization occurs, why photons and particles behave the way they do, and of what they are made, what magnetism actually is, what causes mass attraction, and so on.

Then I step into the mind, of what it is made and how it works (what intelligence actually is made of), and why (I’m big on the "why"s 🙂 ). Then into what and why life is, what a soul and spirit is, social interaction, organizations, social organisms, strategies of harmony, destruction, and reconstruction, and basically why humans and animals do all they do.

Then I touch on government methods and types, the "why"s and predictable results of each general type and finally, by logical necessity, exactly what type of governance must and WILL govern life as it cannot be avoided regardless of what else is going on or being attempted.

I’m considering a little on the whole “salvation” concern, what it means, how it works, the "why"s, but that might be redundant. 🙂

So if you are planning on reading it, I hope you are young enough to still be around when it is in readable form (I very seriously need a talented tech writer…sigh).
 
It all sounds very interesting and profound. As for reading, that’s my hobby. Have you thought of posting it on the Internet, do you have a web site?
 
It all sounds very interesting and profound. As for reading, that’s my hobby. Have you thought of posting it on the Internet, do you have a web site?
Well, I appreciate the note of confidence. Thank you. 😃

But if you enjoy reading, I should hire you. I need a reader almost as badly as I need a writer. Get the 3 of us together and we could form almost a whole person (Lemony Snickets). 😉 With a particular fourth, we could set the world back up on its proper axis. Of course if the Devil caught wind of it, he would step on me like the bug I am. :o

As far as a website, I wouldn’t really know where to begin. And without that writer I would be a bit like Moses without Aaron, babbling what appears as non-sense to most people. So if I can ever find a good tech writer, maybe I can give you both something to read as well as something within which to participate. 👍

Although, I am constructing a computer program to demonstrate what I profess. It can display the forming of particles, magnetism, and gravity based merely on the relatively simple principles of logically necessary properties of radiant energy. The results give an absolute scale for time. Relativity actually has nothing to do with absolute time despite all of the public rhetoric.

I suspect you would appreciate my “Constitution of Harmony” topic concerning how to harmonize diversity into sentience via open source agreement (much like the US Constitution, without the minor flaws). The principles of the physical universe apply also to the mental, mind, and the social or governance. It actually takes only a few relatively simple rules (the same as the physical laws) to bring unbelievable (seriously unbelievable ) harmony to a nation and produce a huge economy at the same time without terrorism even being able to slip a word in edge wise. When people are busy enjoying real life, they don’t have time to sin. The problem is getting it demonstrated and explained. 😉
 
Well, I appreciate the note of confidence. Thank you. 😃

But if you enjoy reading, I should hire you. I need a reader almost as badly as I need a writer. Get the 3 of us together and we could form almost a whole person (Lemony Snickets). 😉 With a particular fourth, we could set the world back up on its proper axis. Of course if the Devil caught wind of it, he would step on me like the bug I am. :o
A sort of triumvirate or better still a Trinity:)
As far as a website, I wouldn’t really know where to begin. And without that writer I would be a bit like Moses without Aaron, babbling what appears as non-sense to most people. So if I can ever find a good tech writer, maybe I can give you both something to read as well as something within which to participate. 👍
Reading through your posts I cannot see why you need a writer. You make perfect sense to me anyway and your composition is lucid and well formed. A website is not much of a problem, the only draw back is that the free ones do not allow for much content, about 10 to 15 MB. If you have a large amount of data you’d have to pay a monthly fee to upload it.
Although, I am constructing a computer program to demonstrate what I profess. It can display the forming of particles, magnetism, and gravity based merely on the relatively simple principles of logically necessary properties of radiant energy. The results give an absolute scale for time. Relativity actually has nothing to do with absolute time despite all of the public rhetoric.
If you can program you’re better at computers than I am and a web site should present no problem.
I suspect you would appreciate my “Constitution of Harmony” topic concerning how to harmonize diversity into sentience via open source agreement (much like the US Constitution, without the minor flaws). The principles of the physical universe apply also to the mental, mind, and the social or governance. It actually takes only a few relatively simple rules (the same as the physical laws) to bring unbelievable (seriously unbelievable ) harmony to a nation and produce a huge economy at the same time without terrorism even being able to slip a word in edge wise. When people are busy enjoying real life, they don’t have time to sin. The problem is getting it demonstrated and explained. 😉
Yes I would . You can post it to me at pyrrhonist@telkomsa.net and I would also be interested in reading whatever conclusions you reached on the topics you mentioned
 
Reading through your posts I cannot see why you need a writer. You make perfect sense to me anyway and your composition is lucid and well formed.
Again, thank you, but you and I might be a little unique on that issue. Of course online in forums, you typically only hear from those who object and/or misunderstand. That leaves the impression of not really being understood by anyone, so your willingness to state upon what you agree is even more appreciated. 😃
A website is not much of a problem, the only draw back is that the free ones do not allow for much content, about 10 to 15 MB. If you have a large amount of data you’d have to pay a monthly fee to upload it.
I’m not greatly concerned with the price. My problem is more of where to start with any explanation. That’s why the tech writer is sorely needed. My mind tends to try to answer too many possible questions within any one statement and thus leaves a bit of a writers block. If asked specific questions from a known audience, I have little trouble. In person, I have no trouble at all.
Yes I would . You can post it to me at pyrrhonist@telkomsa.net and I would also be interested in reading whatever conclusions you reached on the topics you mentioned
I may take you up on that even though I still feel the need for a writer even to state them to you. My mind gets so confounded by what so many others might not yet understand that I often begin in a bad place even when there was no need to do so.

The Constitution of Harmony is my pride and joy. I will send a copy to you. It requires explanation as well and thus I ask to not judge before asking all of the pertinent questions. In a sense, it is mentioned in Revelations, but you have to have those famed “eyes to see and ears to hear” in order to “see” it. I got a small Pentecostal church to convert to the Constitution not long ago, but it worked so effectively, it embarrassed the Irish pastor who then could no longer function in his much desired, “I am the sole voice of God” mode. It helps to be humble if you want God on your side. :o
 
The existence of straightness is what causes another thing to be curved. But the straightness did not bend through time, the thing that is curved. The fact of one causes the fact of the other instantaneously.
 
The existence of straightness is what causes another thing to be curved. But the straightness did not bend through time, the thing that is curved. The fact of one causes the fact of the other instantaneously.
And one cannot exist independently of the other as neither would have meaning:)
 
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