God or Allah?

[dzheremi]

why don’t you speak aramaic or hebrew since yall claim to imitate or be like Jesus eh?

Because that’s a silly presupposition. Why would we need to speak a certain language to follow our Lord? There is neither Jew nor Greek, remember? (Galatians 3:28)

Also, for the record some of us DO speak Aramaic. These are the Aramaean (Syriac/Assyrian/Chaldean) Christians. And Hebrew-background Christians or the Hebraically-interested among us may speak Hebrew.

So I use the names of their real origin…is it a sin?

How are they the names of their real origin if the people you are refering to weren’t Arabic-speakers?

No they are easy and understandable. If they aren’t I usually put the translation next to it as you have seen in my other posts. sheesh. and the names we have used over and over and over again.

I don’t think this is the issue here. I can usually make sense of them, but it is pretty annoying regardless. I don’t use the Russian names for Jesus or the books of the Bible or add Russian language phrases to my posts even though I could. If I were to do that, I would guess that people would probably stop reading my posts, because it is disrespectful to the dialogue we are supposed to be having here to constantly code-switch for any reason. I realize that you as a Muslim have religious reasons for adding honorifics after certain names, but you do so here at the expense of cohesiveness in your posts. If after everytime I wrote the name Jesus I had to add (Lord of the World, Son of the Father, Judge of the Living and the Dead), you would probably eventually skip over my posts. You would probably do so even more quickly if all of that was in a language that you don’t understand.

Is like if someone doesn’t understand something it isn’t as if they can’t ask IN A NICE WAY. picky

Or, y’know…you could stop yelling at us like you are doing in that very sentence.

In old version of Encycolpedia Britannica that God word (etymology) comes from the Gothic God of the Woods (Woden). The Goths are Gog and Magog and God is the name of their God not the One God." Go figure

Do you have a link to back up this assertion? The Online Etymology Dictionary does not agree, and having studied Proto Indo-European quite a bit in the past myself, I can’t agree with that either.

Allah is the name our Creator uses for Himself.

I don’t see any reason to believe that based on the evidence presented so far. Please see my previous post in this thread regarding the questions as to what “say he is Allah” might mean. Perhaps you can answer what Sister Amy has not.

 

[Americanrevert]

I have to leave now but the last question I will answer…

You have to find a passage to this I mean, “say He is Allah”…or are you meaning “Say He is Allah the One” or which place are you referin to?

but I do have to leave…been here too long and I have to pray…will be back later inshAllah(God willing).

please yall don’t take my caps as yellin…to me it is just stressin! doesn’t mean I am raisin my voice just tryin to stress what I mean!

americanrevert

 

[dolphinlove]

[SIGN]Allaahu Akbar![/SIGN]

I think we all know what that means. We hear it so often in the news.

I cant say ive heard this…
what does it mean?

 

[dzheremi]

You have to find a passage to this I mean, “say He is Allah”…or are you meaning “Say He is Allah the One” or which place are you referin to?

Please see the previous page of this thread, specifically posts #6 by Sister Amy and #14 by Isa Almisry.

please yall don’t take my caps as yellin…to me it is just stressin! doesn’t mean I am raisin my voice just tryin to stress what I mean!

It may not be how you mean it, but posts with excessive caps read as though they are being yelled. I myself am guilty of this to a degree, though I am trying to work on it. It is much less disruptive to use italics or bold (also in moderation) to emphasize a point.

 

[LDNCatholic]

I cant say ive heard this…
what does it mean?

Allah is great.

 

[Angelos]

**amazin.

then why don’t you speak aramaic or hebrew since yall claim to imitate or be like Jesus eh? Silly meanness by all means and rude.**

Why should we Christians follow your false analogy and imitate the wrong and irrational behaviour of some Muslims?

In old version of Encycolpedia Britannica that God word (etymology) comes from the Gothic God of the Woods (Woden). The Goths are Gog and Magog and God is the name of their God not the One God." Go figure

Some historians and linguists claim that RAHMAN is an ancient South Arabian Moon God. Go and figure: answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/rahman_av.htm

**
Allah**= Has no gender (not male and not female)

“He” is used only out of respect and dignity - not for gender

This is not true. The Koran actually confirms the male gender of Allah when it contends that Allah cannot be a father because he has no wife!

**
Allah** = Always singular - Never plural

“We” is used only as the “Royal WE” just as in English for royalty

Allah =Means “The Only One to be Worshipped”

The Koran says Allah is one of the many godS.

Surah 2:163
Your God is One God; there is no God save Him, the Beneficent, the Merciful. (ILAHUKUM ILAHEN VAHIDA)

**
Allah is the name our Creator uses for Himself.**

americanrevert

Not true. The Koran nowhere says Allah is the personal name of the Islamic God. The following verse contends Allah is the Arabic equivalent of the English word GOD, Greek word THEOS, Latin word DEUS, etc:

Surah 22:40
Those who have been driven from their homes unjustly only because they said: Our Lord is Allah - For had it not been for Allah’s repelling some men by means of others, cloisters and churches and oratories and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft mentioned, would assuredly have been pulled down.

 

[inJESUS]

Call it Arabic nationalism…it is funny seeing converts trying to write words in Arabic like “masha’allah” or “jazak’allah”…they want to feel “in” and language is their tool in addition to rituals…thank God we know God is not a 7th century Arab.

 

[Sister_Amy]

I think we all know what that means. We hear it so often in the news.

I was being really tongue-in-cheek actually. Someone was complaining about Arabic phrasing in posts, and the title of this thread is “God or Allah?”

So I was being kind of… silly?.. by saying “Allaahu Akbar.”

You probably think it means “God is Great” but it actually means “Allah is Greater” Greater than anything you might want to put after.

So if you say “God or Allah?” I said “Allah is Greater…”

And I think that’s really amusing. But I figured most people could get the jist of it anyway.

I generally avoid using Arabic words when possible because people don’t always understand them. When speaking to posters who know Arabic (like Isa Al-Misri and inJESUS) I’ll be a little more free with how much Arabic I use, but only with them.

 

[Sister_Amy]

As you have been given the context (the sura is very short), no it wouldn’t. But here it goes.
In the Name of God/Allah the Beneficient the Merciful
Say! He is God/Allah is One [the Arabic isn’t clear either]
God/Allah the Everlasting.
He does not beget nor is begotten.
And there is not the equal to Him.

Christians early on turned this on its head, pointing out about the Three being One because there is none like Him.

Huh? If you say “God the Father” you’re contradicting this surah, and if you say “God the Son” you’re contradicting this surah. Saying that three persons with one essence exist in God is also contradicting this surah. And if you’re still confused you can check 4:171 and see that: innamaa Allahu ilaahu wahid.

I’m not 100% sure but I don’t think this surah (i.e., Ikhlaas) was revealed about Christianity. Christians aren’t the only ones who have claimed that God has children. But I think this is a Makkan surah focused on establishing the aqeedah (creed) for early Muslims, and not confronting the People of the Book.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Call it Arabic nationalism…it is funny seeing converts trying to write words in Arabic like “masha’allah” or “jazak’allah”…they want to feel “in” and language is their tool in addition to rituals…thank God we know God is not a 7th century Arab.

Maashaa’Allaah

I write things like that but it’s not so I can feel “in.” Wouldn’t you like to know the real reason why?

 

[Angelos]

Maashaa’Allaah

I write things like that but it’s not so I can feel “in.” Wouldn’t you like to know the real reason why?

Is the answer “because your husband wants so”??

 

[Angelos]

Huh? If you say “God the Father” you’re contradicting this surah, and if you say “God the Son” you’re contradicting this surah. Saying that three persons with one essence exist in God is also contradicting this surah. And if you’re still confused you can check 4:171 and see that: innamaa Allahu ilaahu wahid.

All those supposed contradictions result from Mohammad’s scribes’ failure to understand basic Christian tenets. They were lazy students who mostly cheated from the other lazy and undereducated students.

I’m not 100% sure but I don’t think this surah (i.e., Ikhlaas) was revealed about Christianity. Christians aren’t the only ones who have claimed that God has children. But I think this is a Makkan surah focused on establishing the aqeedah (creed) for early Muslims, and not confronting the People of the Book.

The underlined part is such an absurd and dishonest remark indeed. Christians never believe that God has children. This stupid lie was made up by Mohammad’s scribes, who mistakenly supposed that Christians believe Jesus to be the Son of God in a physical sense.

 

[Psalter]

Call it Arabic nationalism…it is funny seeing converts trying to write words in Arabic like “masha’allah” or “jazak’allah”…they want to feel “in” and language is their tool in addition to rituals…thank God we know God is not a 7th century Arab.

LOL, so true! AMEN to that, brother.

 

[Psalter]

I generally avoid using Arabic words when possible because people don’t always understand them. When speaking to posters who know Arabic (like Isa Al-Misri and inJESUS) I’ll be a little more free with how much Arabic I use, but only with them.

Do you even know Arabic yourself, Sister Amy, or do you just sprinkle your sentences with Arab-Islamic phrases you’ve picked up on? Isa Al-Misry and inJESUS speak perfect English, and I venture to guess they speak and understand English MUCH better than you understand Arabic. The rest of us here speak English too, can you just avoid using Arabic acronyms and phrases altogether?

I know a little bit of Latin but that doesn’t mean I feel the need to stick Latin words in the middle of my English sentences; nor would I embarrass myself by trying to use it around people who actually do have a real command of the Latin language.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Do you even know Arabic yourself, Sister Amy, or do you just sprinkle your sentences with Arab-Islamic phrases you’ve picked up on? Isa Al-Misry and inJESUS speak perfect English, and I venture to guess they speak and understand English MUCH better than you understand Arabic. The rest of us here speak English too, can you just avoid using Arabic acronyms and phrases altogether?

I know a little bit of Latin but that doesn’t mean I feel the need to stick Latin words in the middle of my English sentences; nor would I embarrass myself by trying to use it around people who actually do have a real command of the Latin language.

There are plenty of posters here who use lots of Latin, by the way. I’ve had to look some stuff up. But mostly I avoid those posters nowadays.

Without a doubt, Isa Al-Misry and inJESUS speak better English than I do Arabic. But I don’t use any Arabic unless **I **know what it means. And if I’m writing to either one of them, I would expect them to understand it. If I’m writing to someone else, I would expect him to ignore it. If I want to be understood in meaning, I’ll say it in English.

On this forum in particular, I avoid using Arabic acronyms altogether… if you see them in my posts it’s probably just a slip on my part, since sometimes I just do it naturally out of habit (posting on other forums, on my blog, etc.) but chances are it’s not something you need to understand my post.

For future reference:

SWT = Glorified & Exalted is He, said about Allah.
AWJ = Same thing almost as SWT
SAW/SAWS/PBUH = Peace and blessings of Allah upon him, said about prophets, especially Muhammad
AA/ASA/AAWRWB/WAS/WS = Greetings of peace between Muslims

I don’t know if you see any more acronyms around here anyway.

But as someone else already noted, I do try to avoid using extensive Arabic phrases and acronyms. I think it just weirds you out. But recently I did say “Subhanallah” in one thread after talking about birds and flies. It’s just a glorification of Allah that for some reason I felt like saying. In Arabic. Because for some reason “God be glorified” just doesn’t sound right.

 

[morning_star777]

Why? Because Allaah said

Qul (say)
huwa (he is)
Allaah (Allaah!)

If God calls himself Allaah… then why shouldn’t I call Him Allaah?

God never calls himself Allaah,but muhammad calls God as allah and it was the biggest mistake of your prophet muhammad.Why can not you prove that, Qul (say)
huwa (he is)
Allaah (Allaah!) those red texts came from GOD?

 

[dzheremi]

I generally avoid using Arabic words when possible because people don’t always understand them. When speaking to posters who know Arabic (like Isa Al-Misri and inJESUS) I’ll be a little more free with how much Arabic I use, but only with them.

Sister Amy:

Maashaa’Allaah
I write things like that but it’s not so I can feel “in.”

Of course not…what a silly suggestion that would be!

Wouldn’t you like to know the real reason why?

This is also a totally normal response of someone who is not holding an in-group mentality…Oh, Islam! You’re so mysterious with your use of…words…I wish so much that I could understand you! Arabs are soooo lucky!

Please. This is exactly why the idea of a divine language is silly. Keeping traditional liturgical languages is fine, but to take it a step further and claim that some languages are privledged above others by God makes you look ridiculous. Coming from an Arab in the “Holy Book” of an Arab, it is a clear act of cultural dominion over those who accept it, as it was historically both early on (Muhammad’s dialect is the basis of Quranic Arabic, and Muslims on this very board have said that the other versions of the Quran were burned due to their dialectical divergence - why is this?) and later (when Arabic was forced upon the Berbers, Sudanese, Chadians, and others). That any non-Arab would embrace this and defend it as the word of God is insane to me. When English was forced upon the Native Americans, it was rightly resisted and resented by a large portion of the population. The same goes for Spanish imposed upon the Aztecs and others of what came to be known as Latin America, various European languages foisted upon the colonized Africans (including previously Arabized and Islamicized North Africans), etc. Why Arabic should get a “pass”, so to speak, as a language of colonization that it very much has been just because it comes pre-packaged with Islam is really beyond me. Subjugation is subjugation, and God does not subjugate in this way (He doesn’t need to; He already controls everything, and besides has given us the great gift of free will).

 

[Isa_Almisry]

Where in the Koran is it written that every Muslim must use the word Allah no matter whatever language is spoken?

Where is it written in the Koran that Allah is the Creator’s genuine name?

The Koran also names the Pharaoh FIR’AVNE. Do you say Fir’avne rather than Pharaoh in English because that’s the word used in the Koran?

For Allah’s sake, don’t give them afkar (ideas)

 

[Sister_Amy]

God never calls himself Allaah,but muhammad calls God as allah and it was the biggest mistake of your prophet muhammad.Why can not you prove that, Qul (say)
huwa (he is)
Allaah (Allaah!) those red texts came from GOD?

FYI, the word “Allaah” is much older than the word “God.”

 

[Sister_Amy]

Of course not…what a silly suggestion that would be!

This is also a totally normal response of someone who is not holding an in-group mentality…Oh, Islam! You’re so mysterious with your use of…words…I wish so much that I could understand you! Arabs are soooo lucky!

Please. This is exactly why the idea of a divine language is silly. Keeping traditional liturgical languages is fine, but to take it a step further and claim that some languages are privledged above others by God makes you look ridiculous. Coming from an Arab in the “Holy Book” of an Arab, it is a clear act of cultural dominion over those who accept it, as it was historically both early on (Muhammad’s dialect is the basis of Quranic Arabic, and Muslims on this very board have said that the other versions of the Quran were burned due to their dialectical divergence - why is this?) and later (when Arabic was forced upon the Berbers, Sudanese, Chadians, and others). That any non-Arab would embrace this and defend it as the word of God is insane to me. When English was forced upon the Native Americans, it was rightly resisted and resented by a large portion of the population. The same goes for Spanish imposed upon the Aztecs and others of what came to be known as Latin America, various European languages foisted upon the colonized Africans (including previously Arabized and Islamicized North Africans), etc. Why Arabic should get a “pass”, so to speak, as a language of colonization that it very much has been just because it comes pre-packaged with Islam is really beyond me. Subjugation is subjugation, and God does not subjugate in this way (He doesn’t need to; He already controls everything, and besides has given us the great gift of free will).

I’m sorry, I actually took you seriously.

Oh well.