God Save the Queen!

[Alexander_Roman]

“God Save The Queen” comes directly from the Old Testament during the coronation of King Solomon: “Zadok the priest and Nathan the Prophet anointed Solomon king - and they all sang out, ‘God save the king’ etc.”

It is a prayer for the protection and salvation of God’s anointed.

Alex

 

[ProVobis]

“God Save The Queen” comes directly from the Old Testament during the coronation of King Solomon: “Zadok the priest and Nathan the Prophet anointed Solomon king - and they all sang out, ‘God save the king’ etc.”

Hmmm. You’re referring to 1 Samuel 10:24? Very questionable translation from the Greek and/or Latin:

24 καὶ εἶπεν Σαμουηλ πρὸς πάντα τὸν λαόν εἰ ἑοράκατε ὃν ἐκλέλεκται ἑαυτῷ κύριος ὅτι οὐκ ἔστιν αὐτῷ ὅμοιος ἐν πᾶσιν ὑμῖν καὶ ἔγνωσαν πᾶς ὁ λαὸς καὶ εἶπαν **ζήτω ὁ βασιλεύς **

24 Et ait Samuel ad omnem populum : Certe videtis quem elegit Dominus, quoniam non sit similis illi in omni populo. Et clamavit omnis populus, et ait : Vivat rex.

24 And Samuel said to all the people: Surely you see him whom the Lord has chosen, that there is none like him among all the people. And all the people cried and said: God save the king.

 

[Dempsey1919]

Why all the debate about the meaning of “God Save the Queen?” It means what it means: God Save the Queen. The important thing to remember is that our national anthem is about the Queen because she is a symbol of unity, history and culture.

 

[Dempsey1919]

I’m with you, Dempsey-and I’m from the USA, and half-Irish to boot! Great post!

I happen to like Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth. Always have, and always will.

She’s a real Christian lady. She has always respected Catholics-witness her warm welcome to our Holy Father last September. She even called the late Cardinal Hume, ‘My Cardinal’.

I join you (and all loyal Brits and members of the Commonwealth of Nations) in saying, ‘GOD SAVE THE QUEEN’!

Thanks

 

[ProVobis]

You’re picking on the wrong guy or jumping to the wrong conclusion. I have collected all stamps with a picture of her (not only of the UK), have several books with her photos, and I still have a commemorative spoon I received on the day of her coronation. No need to feel threatened.

 

[maritain]

Catholics are free to be either republican or monarchist. As for the British state, it is a republic implicitly since the Glorious Revolution.

The French Revolution was basically an attempt to import the British constitution to the continent. Voltaire and Montesquieu were ardent Anglophiles, became Freemasons in London and wrote books extolling the virtues of the British constitution (the Glorious Revolution and Magna Carta).

 

[James_Miller]

As Gregory I points out the loss of the monarchy results in something worse eg .Egypt,
Iraq, Afghanistan etc…Now Jordan is in danger.

 

[testamentum]

Hi, as my profile states I am a Traditional Roman Catholic but there is also one other thing… I’m a High Tory. A High Tory is a extremely traditional conservative in the Commonwealth (I’m a Canadian as my profile name suggests) who believes strongly in the institution of the British Monarchy. The only other traditionalist I know finds it odd that I’,m a monarchist due to past actions of British monarchs. So is there anything contradictory about being a Traditionalist Catholic and a High Tory? Because there are few things I believe in as strongly as the monarchy but my Faith comes first. I see no contradiction but was looking for some (name removed by moderator)ut from my fellow Traditional Catholics.

Also, this is a high Tory blog I recently subscribed to:

hightory.com/about-the-blog/

I am not an authority on the British monarchy but isnt the Queen still called the Defender of the Faith` if so, then this faith is not that of the Catholic church but Protestantism.

 

[kaid100]

I am not an authority on the British monarchy but isnt the Queen still called the Defender of the Faith` if so, then this faith is not that of the Catholic church but Protestantism.

The title is a Catholic one, bestowed on Henry VIII by the Pope. To be fair, the Pope didn’t specify that it should be passed on to future English monarchs; that was Henry’s choice.

 

[maritain]

The title is a Catholic one, bestowed on Henry VIII by the Pope. To be fair, the Pope didn’t specify that it should be passed on to future English monarchs; that was Henry’s choice.

The current title is not in continuity with the Henrician one, indeed it is its antithesis. The title given to Henry VIII was later revoked. Parliament subsequently conferred the current title on Edward VI for his Protestant reforms.

 

[ProVobis]

The title is a Catholic one, bestowed on Henry VIII by the Pope.

That was in his early years after he denounced Lutheranism.

 

[kaid100]

The current title is not in continuity with the Henrician one, indeed it is its antithesis. The title given to Henry VIII was later revoked. Parliament subsequently conferred the current title on Edward VI for his Protestant reforms.

Interestingly, the Catholic James II also had the title.

Prince Charles, when he becomes King, plans to be “Defender of Faith”, rather than of the faith.

 

[ProVobis]

Interestingly, the Catholic James II also had the title.

Prince Charles, when he becomes King, plans to be “Defender of Faith”, rather than of the faith.

I thought Prince Charles effectively abdicated the throne (or potential throne) when he married a divorcee.

 

[kaid100]

I thought Prince Charles effectively abdicated the throne (or potential throne) when he married a divorcee.

In fact there is no law that says being divorced or marrying a divorcee prevents someone being monarch. In the time of Edward VIII it was the risk of scandal that prompted Ministers to threaten to resign if he did not abdicate. He did not get removed from the throne by a pre-existing law, he had to write what was effectively a resignation letter in order to abdicate.

When Prince Charles got remarried, it was stated that Camilla would not be Princess of Wales (which the wife of the Prince of Wales would normally be) but instead Duchess of Cornwall. When Charles becomes King, the plan is instead of being Queen she will be called Princess Consort.
Legally there is no backing for any of this, in fact she is currently Princess of Wales in law. However, statements from the Palace, and the media, all call her Duchess of Cornwall.

While there isn’t a law on marrying a divorcee, there is a law against marrying a Catholic. If Camilla had been Catholic, then marrying her would have removed Charles from the throne. This is one of the few pieces of anti-Catholic legislation which remains from the awkward centuries that followed the Reformation. I hope it doesn’t stay in force that much longer.

 

[maritain]

Interestingly, the Catholic James II also had the title.

Prince Charles, when he becomes King, plans to be “Defender of Faith”, rather than of the faith.

Yes, James II was also Supreme Governor of the Church of England.

In modern Britain, religion (except Islam) is a complete practical irrelevance. Elizabeth II can command a respect that Charles never will. She was crowned when Britain was still a major world power and personifies a link to the past. Charles won’t be the last monarch but he’ll certainly trigger the institution’s demise. I’d give it another 20 or 30 years, although by then the UK will probably have broken up anyway (…and good riddance!).

 

[ProVobis]

While there isn’t a law on marrying a divorcee, there is a law against marrying a Catholic. If Camilla had been Catholic, then marrying her would have removed Charles from the throne. This is one of the few pieces of anti-Catholic legislation which remains from the awkward centuries that followed the Reformation. I hope it doesn’t stay in force that much longer.

But if she had been Catholic, she wouldn’t have been able to receive communion.

If Charles doesn’t turn the throne over to Prince William immediately (after Elizabeth dies), then I feel the Church of England would be in worse shape than I thought.

 

[MarineGuy]

Canuck, I’m American obviously, but this might interest you:
My 1962 Missal includes a “Prayer for the Sovereign” which apparently was said or sung in the United Kingdom after High Masses pre-Vatican II.

**V. O Lord, save N., our king (queen)
R. And hear us in the day when we shall call upon thee.

Let us pray
Almighty God, we pray for thy servant N., our king (queen) now by thy mercy reigning over us. Adorn him (her) yet more with every virtue, remove all evil from his (her) path and vanquish his (her) enemies; that with the queen his consort (with her consort) and all the royal family he (she) may come at last in grace to thee, who art the way, the truth and the life. Through Christ our Lord. R. Amen.**

 

[LoyalViews]

I am an English Catholic with a preference for the EF Mass who is also a supporter of the Monarchy. I see no contradiction between my faith and loyalty to my Queen. However, I acknowledge the fact that the British Monarchy has been at odds with the Catholic faith in the past, but this is no longer the case.

The important thing to remember is that the Queen is a devout Christian. The fact that the Head of State is a Christian is one factor that will protect the Christian identity of Great Britain. The fact that the Queen is a devoted Christian sends the message that Britain continues to be a Christian nation. The Queen reminds us that our nation (and the Commonwealth) was founded upon Christian principals.

I support the Monarchy for cultural reasons. The Monarchy makes England unique. We are one of the only nations who continue to have a constitutional Monarchy. The Queen guarantees political stability and she continues to play an important role in the life of my nation.

There is no contradiction in the fact that you are a Catholic Monarchist. The two are not at odds with each other. That may have been the case in previous centuries, but things have changed. The Queen is a supporter of the Christian faith, and that is good enough for me. Britain is a multi-religious society, and the Queen guarantees that Christianity will remain the official religion of the state.

I am pleased to hear that you support the Monarchy. Never forget that Queen Elizabeth is also Queen of Canada! This doesn’t mean that she interferes with the affairs of Canada, but it reminds us of our common identity and history. We share the same roots. The Queen is a symbol of the close historical and cultural links between our respective nations.

A lot of people resent the British monarchy because of things that have happened in the past. These people need to remember that the current monarch was not responsible for the things that happened in the past. They also need to remember that the British people alive today had nothing to do with the things that happened in the past. Resentment towards the Queen is unwarranted. Furthermore, they need to remember that a lot of previous British Monarchs were also faithful Catholics!

Support your Queen and live your Catholic faith.
She is a faithful Christian and she supports Christian principals and ethics.
A lot of British Monarchs were faithful Catholics.
The resentment towards the contemporary Monarchy is unwarranted.
*
Long may she reign;
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause
To sing with heart and voice,
God save the Queen!

Not in this land alone,
But be God’s mercies known,
From shore to shore!
Lord make the nations see,
That men should brothers be,
And form one family,
The wide world over.*

I could not AGREE more!

In fact there is no law that says being divorced or marrying a divorcee prevents someone being monarch. In the time of Edward VIII it was the risk of scandal that prompted Ministers to threaten to resign if he did not abdicate. He did not get removed from the throne by a pre-existing law, he had to write what was effectively a resignation letter in order to abdicate.

When Prince Charles got remarried, it was stated that Camilla would not be Princess of Wales (which the wife of the Prince of Wales would normally be) but instead Duchess of Cornwall. When Charles becomes King, the plan is instead of being Queen she will be called Princess Consort.
Legally there is no backing for any of this, in fact she is currently Princess of Wales in law. However, statements from the Palace, and the media, all call her Duchess of Cornwall.

While there isn’t a law on marrying a divorcee, there is a law against marrying a Catholic. If Camilla had been Catholic, then marrying her would have removed Charles from the throne. This is one of the few pieces of anti-Catholic legislation which remains from the awkward centuries that followed the Reformation. I hope it doesn’t stay in force that much longer.

I read, some time ago, that Her Majesty was going to try and revoke that law. I could be wrong, though

 

[catholicpublish]

You shall have no kings before me, or so the good book says…
But to call the British monarchy a kingship would be an exaggeration, it’s more of a ceremonial head of state these days with little actual power.

 

[kaid100]

I read, some time ago, that Her Majesty was going to try and revoke that law. I could be wrong, though

It’s talked about from time to time but hasn’t happened yet. If William or Harry had got engaged to a Catholic I imagine it would have been done sharpish. To clarify, the Queen doesn’t have the personal power to revoke a law already in place, that would be the job of Parliament and she would then sign the replacement act into law. Technically, she could refuse to sign a new law. The last time this happened was in 1708.