God silent on abortion?

[ChristIsLord]

If the teaching of the Church is correct like I believe it is that abortion is murder then we are witnessing the largest, longest, acts of infanticide and murder in human history. While the world is an ugly place and not immune to incredible cruelty and injustice it seems that has always been stopped or rectified in time.

Nazi holocaust, genocides in areas of Africe, barbarian invasions like Ghengis Khan, etc… Take any time in history where murder and all around cruelty was the norm and they are relatively shortlived. Now we have abortion that has killed what now 60 million and counting with no signs of slowing down, and in fact gaining such social acceptance that many people question whether it is even an immoral act at all.

Why has God either intervened or spurned men on to rid the world of the likes of the Nazi’s, Vichy, Mongols, etc… Yet abortion keeps right on rolling gaining in acceptability and popularity everyday.

I’m having a tough time with a teaching that abortion is akin to taing a newborn and cutting its throat yet here we are 40 years later almost and it keeps right on rolling with essentially no end in site of ridding the Western world of it.

 

[Della]

Societal approval of murdering the innocent, no matter how long it might last, be it decades or centuries, would not make it right.

Truth is eternal because God is eternal. To knowingly and deliberately destroy an innocent human being is murder, no matter what age the person might be or what the mental or physical condition of the person might be.

We are on a downward trend when it comes to eliminating our unwanted citizens. First it was abortion with reservations, then abortion on demand. Now it’s pulling the plug on disabled persons like Terri Schaivo and soon it will be on all disabled persons unable to speak for themselves. Now it’s euthanasia by overdosing the elderly who are put into or slip into comas. Soon it will be turning in grandma and grandpa to be put down “for their own good” and society’s good.

Sadly, this trend still has legs and will go on until those who thought abortion and the elimination of the disabled and elderly was a good idea find themselves the ones being reassured that after their injections everything will be better for everyone. And then it will be too late.

It’s what the world has been working its way down to since the beginning of the eugenics movement, and won’t stop unless and until WE put a stop to it. God will let us destroy ourselves if that is what we are bent on doing.

 

[Eucharisted]

If the teaching of the Church is correct like I believe it is that abortion is murder then we are witnessing the largest, longest, acts of infanticide and murder in human history. While the world is an ugly place and not immune to incredible cruelty and injustice it seems that has always been stopped or rectified in time.

Nazi holocaust, genocides in areas of Africe, barbarian invasions like Ghengis Khan, etc… Take any time in history where murder and all around cruelty was the norm and they are relatively shortlived. Now we have abortion that has killed what now 60 million and counting with no signs of slowing down, and in fact gaining such social acceptance that many people question whether it is even an immoral act at all.

Why has God either intervened or spurned men on to rid the world of the likes of the Nazi’s, Vichy, Mongols, etc… Yet abortion keeps right on rolling gaining in acceptability and popularity everyday.

I’m having a tough time with a teaching that abortion is akin to taing a newborn and cutting its throat yet here we are 40 years later almost and it keeps right on rolling with essentially no end in site of ridding the Western world of it.

God works through, with, and in His Church. The problem is, the world opposes the Church.

The Church teaches that abortion is a sin, yet the world, which has lost its sense of sin, just ignores the Church and persecutes it for the sake of “womens’ right to choose”. And in ignoring and persecuting the Church, the world ignores and attacks God, Who, as I said, works through, with, and in His Church.

 

[LilyM]

If the teaching of the Church is correct like I believe it is that abortion is murder then we are witnessing the largest, longest, acts of infanticide and murder in human history. While the world is an ugly place and not immune to incredible cruelty and injustice it seems that has always been stopped or rectified in time.

Nazi holocaust, genocides in areas of Africe, barbarian invasions like Ghengis Khan, etc… Take any time in history where murder and all around cruelty was the norm and they are relatively shortlived. Now we have abortion that has killed what now 60 million and counting with no signs of slowing down, and in fact gaining such social acceptance that many people question whether it is even an immoral act at all.

Why has God either intervened or spurned men on to rid the world of the likes of the Nazi’s, Vichy, Mongols, etc… Yet abortion keeps right on rolling gaining in acceptability and popularity everyday.

I’m having a tough time with a teaching that abortion is akin to taing a newborn and cutting its throat yet here we are 40 years later almost and it keeps right on rolling with essentially no end in site of ridding the Western world of it.

Someone needs a history lesson. Stalin, Kim il-Sung, Mao and Pol Pot (not to mention Franco of Spain) all died peacefully in their beds in ripe old age after decades of rule, all still in full power except Pol Pot, all essentially unpunished for their heinous sins and not ‘got rid of’ by anyone

And that’s just in the past half-century. I’m sure there are many more examples in more ancient times if you care to look.

How many centuries did it take God (and His human agents) to get rid of the evil of slavery?

God doesn’t always work according to our timetable or in ways that are obvious to us.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

God silent on abortion?

No.

Ba’al will be smacked around, again, eventually.

The more time that elapses, the nastier the treatment will be for the society that follows Ba’al.

We may be in for quite the nasty treatment!

:shamrock2:

 

[mdgspencer]

God created the Church to speak for him. God didn’t speak directly to the people of Israel in the Old Testament either. God sent his prophets to speak for Him instead. The bishops now take the role of the prophets. That is God’s intention. Anyone who has not heard the bishops speak very strongly against abortion is out of touch with the news.
Furthermore, the people of the Church are very stongly against abortion. That is very noticable in conparison with those who have no faith. God is somehow addressing himself to his people too, I am not entirely sure of the mechanism. God is not silent with us too.
God does not address His people with How own words, That is extremely rare in history. He speaks, but without words, through other ways that He prefers.

 

[santodomingo]

God created the Church to speak for him. God didn’t speak directly to the people of Israel in the Old Testament either. God sent his prophets to speak for Him instead. The bishops now take the role of the prophets. That is God’s intention. Anyone who has not heard the bishops speak very strongly against abortion is out of touch with the news.
Furthermore, the people of the Church are very stongly against abortion. That is very noticable in conparison with those who have no faith. God is somehow addressing himself to his people too, I am not entirely sure of the mechanism. God is not silent with us too.
God does not address His people with How own words, That is extremely rare in history. He speaks, but without words, through other ways that He prefers.

AMEN!!

 

[po18guy]

The Lord’s chosen people suffered in torture and slavery in Egypt for 400 years. All along, He heard their cries. However, He has a plan and the time frame is His, not ours. We must trust that He is in charge and that we must do what we can to defeat the evil. God was with Moses as the deliverer of His people from slavery. Each of us, in our own way, must stand up for the unborn and the Lord will use us as He sees fit.

 

[ChristIsLord]

Someone needs a history lesson. Stalin, Kim il-Sung, Mao and Pol Pot (not to mention Franco of Spain) all died peacefully in their beds in ripe old age after decades of rule, all still in full power except Pol Pot, all essentially unpunished for their heinous sins and not ‘got rid of’ by anyone .

they are all long ago in the annals of history, pol pot and khmer rouge enjoyed what 7 years of reign? kim Il sung is 6 feet under and his demented son is about to join him, stalinist russia is too long since gone (tear down this wall)… franco of spain also is nothing but a distant memory as spain is a socialist democracy I believe now.

point being these people were mere blips on the radar and now are good for nothing but filling pages of dusty history books. and the vast majority of despotic regimes see their end before even a generation passes as good people stand up against them.

abortion on the other hands has dominated western society for 40 years and gains in popularity and now I would wager the vast majority of western people don’t even find it morally objectionable. in my family all catholics if i speak out against abortion i am either looked at as a wacko, or a mysogynist who wants to hold women down and control them. i am the only catholic in my family who is pro life and who didn’t vote for obama. it seems that nothing will stop it, and to me it seems that God is silent on the issue.

or that i’m wrong and abortion is not murder, could you imagine if people were taking their newborn infants and bringing them to be murdered say a week after birth because they can’t afford them? imagine this going on to the tune of 60 million kids, all day everyday. if God did nothing to stop this wouldn’t this be very confusing? is abortion not the same as killing a child? if it is it doesn’t seem like God feels that way, God dealt with human sacrifice and child sacrifice severely throughout history and today seems completely silent on the issue of abortion. i’m at the point where i feel God can’t be bothered, or He simply doesn’t find the sin on par with infanticide.

 

[LilyM]

they are all long ago in the annals of history, pol pot and khmer rouge enjoyed what 7 years of reign? kim Il sung is 6 feet under and his demented son is about to join him, stalinist russia is too long since gone (tear down this wall)… franco of spain also is nothing but a distant memory as spain is a socialist democracy I believe now.

point being these people were mere blips on the radar and now are good for nothing but filling pages of dusty history books. and the vast majority of despotic regimes see their end before even a generation passes as good people stand up against them.

abortion on the other hands has dominated western society for 40 years and gains in popularity and now I would wager the vast majority of western people don’t even find it morally objectionable. in my family all catholics if i speak out against abortion i am either looked at as a wacko, or a mysogynist who wants to hold women down and control them. i am the only catholic in my family who is pro life and who didn’t vote for obama. it seems that nothing will stop it, and to me it seems that God is silent on the issue.

or that i’m wrong and abortion is not murder, could you imagine if people were taking their newborn infants and bringing them to be murdered say a week after birth because they can’t afford them? imagine this going on to the tune of 60 million kids, all day everyday. if God did nothing to stop this wouldn’t this be very confusing? is abortion not the same as killing a child? if it is it doesn’t seem like God feels that way, God dealt with human sacrifice and child sacrifice severely throughout history and today seems completely silent on the issue of abortion. i’m at the point where i feel God can’t be bothered, or He simply doesn’t find the sin on par with infanticide.

Communism in Russia lasted what - 1917 to roughly 1987. We’ll say 70 years. About twice as long as abortion has been legal in the US. Stalin in three years alone killed over 30 million people. That’s half of the total killed in the US in the 35 years since Roe v Wade - in just one-tenth of the time. Did God strike Stalin down? Not a bit. Did He smite Russia in any obvious way in the FIFTY YEARS after the atrocity of Stalin’s purges of the 1930s? Not a bit of it.

As for Communism being dead and buried - you’re dreaming. People forget that Putin was a KGB agent, a servant of the Communist government. That being the case, and he being now head of the country, you can’t say Communism in Russia is dead or forgotten by a long shot. It’s just changed its name and is wearing new clothes.

Same with Communist China - Mao’s baby. Would anyone say Communism is dead and buried in today’s China? Quite the opposite. Sure they’ve allowed the internet in, but it is censored to an incredible degree. Plenty of people in China have never seen the footage of that man in Tienanmen Square who was almost run over by a tank, that’s how carefully ALL the media are censored.

Sure they’ve allowed some foreign investment and swish new buildings and other projects - none of it for the benefit of ordinary Chinese, but instead for the friends and relatives of the Communist leadership.

 

[ChristIsLord]

i don’t care if stalin wasn’t smited down, or pol pot, i never said anything about that, but there was radical change in all areas where these despotic regimes practiced their trade, and that’s really the point. i don’t need women or abortion doctors smited down or paraded in the streets and have rotten fruit thrown on them, just the practice to stop, stalinist russia didn’t last very long, 1987 russia can’t be compared to stalinist russia, nothing can be compared to stalinist russia aside from nazi germany maybe, it isn’t close to the same thing at all.

to even try and compare modern china to the stalinist regime is silly, no historian would agree with that assessment at all, even chairman mao can’t be compared to stalin at all. are there problems with modern china of course, is modern China murdering people to the tune of 35 million, of course not.

communism may not be dead, but it certainly isn’t stalinist russia. nor are we seeing the type of mass murder seen under hitler or stalin in places like china, vietnam, even north korea.

abortion on the other hand is american as apple pie at this point, it’s pretty much an alternative to birth control in western society, and i don’t see that changing anytime soon. which does make me question where God is in all of this. or better yet making me question whether God sees abortion as the actual murder of a child at all, because it doesn’t fit His profile to allow the unmitigated mass murder of children to the tune of 60 million over generations and all the while bestowing blessings on america, i don’t get it.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

abortion on the other hand is american as apple pie at this point, it’s pretty much an alternative to birth control in western society, and i don’t see that changing anytime soon. which does make me question where god is in all of this.

God has a very interesting answer to our society’s evil choices.

Will it be pretty? No.

Will it produce a MUCH greater good? Yes.

Will it grind up “the lukewarm” and the “culturally habitual nonbeliever” in large numbers? Yes.

Will it produce massive numbers of martyrs for truth? Yes.

Will that “diminish” the goodness of the resultant inevitable greater good? No.

Stick to your guns (hold to your principles) and welcome the opportunity to be martyred for God’s sake.

As the “stiff-necked” people that God chose that we are, who would rather follow the truth than “philosophize” about the truth, nothing can make us not believe what we must believe.

If you’re not one of these “stiff-necked” people, then life will be very bad, or some grade of “good” if you’re of the “slavemaster” class, but your eternity will be very VERY bad.

I’ll take a very bad life to have a very VERY good eternity, thank you very much!

:shamrock2:

 

[santodomingo]

Someone needs a history lesson. Stalin, Kim il-Sung, Mao and Pol Pot (not to mention Franco of Spain) all died peacefully in their beds in ripe old age after decades of rule, all still in full power except Pol Pot, all essentially unpunished for their heinous sins and not ‘got rid of’ by anyone

And that’s just in the past half-century. I’m sure there are many more examples in more ancient times if you care to look.

How many centuries did it take God (and His human agents) to get rid of the evil of slavery?

God doesn’t always work according to our timetable or in ways that are obvious to us.

Hey, if you´re talking about needing a history lesson, perhaps you ought to brush up on Spanish history. I strongly object to Franco being compared to Stalin, Pol Pot or Mao, all of them communist mass murderers. Yes, Franco was a dictator, but his regime upheld catholic values (appart from saving Spain from another communist tyranny after the Civil War). I prefer a catholic dictatorship in which morality and respect for human life are imposed to this corrupt democracy in which we choose to murder our unborn children by the millions.

Which regime do you think is guilty of genocide?

 

[Oscarthecat]

If the teaching of the Church is correct like I believe it is that abortion is murder then we are witnessing the largest, longest, acts of infanticide and murder in human history. While the world is an ugly place and not immune to incredible cruelty and injustice it seems that has always been stopped or rectified in time.

Nazi holocaust, genocides in areas of Africe, barbarian invasions like Ghengis Khan, etc… Take any time in history where murder and all around cruelty was the norm and they are relatively shortlived. Now we have abortion that has killed what now 60 million and counting with no signs of slowing down, and in fact gaining such social acceptance that many people question whether it is even an immoral act at all.

Why has God either intervened or spurned men on to rid the world of the likes of the Nazi’s, Vichy, Mongols, etc… Yet abortion keeps right on rolling gaining in acceptability and popularity everyday.

I’m having a tough time with a teaching that abortion is akin to taing a newborn and cutting its throat yet here we are 40 years later almost and it keeps right on rolling with essentially no end in site of ridding the Western world of it.

I’m not sure what you’re asking for here…

What do you want God to do that He hasn’t already done?

 

[marietta]

God has bestowed upon you posters an awareness of a situation which you find intolerable.

What’s your plan?

marietta

 

[Della]

God has bestowed upon you posters an awareness of a situation which you find intolerable.

What’s your plan?

marietta

Since most of us are helpless to change the hearts and minds of the vast majority of peoples due to their having dumped their Christian/faith roots in favor of ever more distant new isms that are just old sins resurfacing, all we can do is do our duty as citizens of our countries, as far as it lies within our power to do so, and PRAY.

It is God who will eventually deliver the world from the evils that divide and ensnare us. We are to do what we can in our own time, according to our callings/vocations, but the final outcome is not in our hands, but God’s alone.

 

[Man]

If the teaching of the Church is correct like I believe it is that abortion is murder then we are witnessing the largest, longest, acts of infanticide and murder in human history. While the world is an ugly place and not immune to incredible cruelty and injustice it seems that has always been stopped or rectified in time.

Nazi holocaust, genocides in areas of Africe, barbarian invasions like Ghengis Khan, etc… Take any time in history where murder and all around cruelty was the norm and they are relatively shortlived. Now we have abortion that has killed what now 60 million and counting with no signs of slowing down, and in fact gaining such social acceptance that many people question whether it is even an immoral act at all.

Why has God either intervened or spurned men on to rid the world of the likes of the Nazi’s, Vichy, Mongols, etc… Yet abortion keeps right on rolling gaining in acceptability and popularity everyday.

I’m having a tough time with a teaching that abortion is akin to taing a newborn and cutting its throat yet here we are 40 years later almost and it keeps right on rolling with essentially no end in site of ridding the Western world of it.

The aborting world is killing itself. Much of it has a majority population unable to sustain itself without importing immigrants from other countries that are less pro-abortion or more pro-life, even if they are more poor. They also carry this out with the “Pill” which causes abortions (not to mention all sorts of societal ills, it doesn’t work that well, and causes strokes and blood clots.) One wonders how long the leaders of a country can watch their population be destroyed by these things.

We also see the intrusion of this self-interest, upon which the supposed right to choose is bases. It infects the society and, eventually, the self-interested philosophies lead to economic turmoil and the ridiculous desire to go communist or socialist.

This is not new, of course, but part of a rather cyclical system, though each generations problems are certainly unique.

In the last few decades, abortion has been a major issue, and greatly destructive to morality of many persons.

China’s food and supposed population problem were a result of the implementation of communism, but that incident is used to justify abortion. Isn’t that peculiar?

Further, many countries are trapped in a seemingly endless political civil war.

This is, at least part, of the destruction or vengeance of the populations of those who accept abortion.

(I would like to see the more impersonal government relegate themselves to colder philosophies based on basic human rights. A reflection of the Cosmos itself. )

 

[vera_dicere]

Our Lord and the writings in the bible point to end times being horrendous for the innocent. I have no doubt in my mind that this dispicable trend of disrespect for the dignity of life is a sign that we are livign in the end times.

However the “glass is half full” part of me sees more and more women standing up for life. The Pro-Life feminist movement is alive and well, even if we are somewhat silenced by the pro-abortion media. As a nurse I often meet women who have had abortions in their past and are now emotionally suffering for it, others are baren because of side effects. One woman had no problem getting pregnant (she had four abortions by the time she was 21) now at 34 and wanting children with her husband she has found herself unable to carry. She has had 8 miscarriages in three years!! She told me all this, and that the abortions she had are only now effecting her and the guilt of those murders weighs heavy on her soul. She also views those abortions as the reason for her sterility. Further to this point, she wishes someone had told her what her life would hold years after those abortions.

The wicked are blind, it amazes me that with embyoscopy and 4D ultrasounds people still refuse to beleive the unborn is human.

As for China, that country is horrendous to its citizens, tens of millions of abortiosn everyyear, oftentimes forced, the killing of born infants who are not allowed under their one child policy, the imprisionment and torture of not just Fei Gong, but also ProLifers and christains tells us we are living in some dark times.

 

[NancyCNM]

I like that:

"God has bestowed upon you posters an awareness of a situation which you find intolerable.

What’s your plan?"

The only reason God permits evil is because, despite the efforts of Satan, God IS God, and He can make a greater come of it. Humanity has free will- God won’t take that away from us.

So how to use it for good? Put your money where your mouth is! Show these ladies the love of Christ in physically tangible ways. Find out - WHY do they think they must make a “choice”? can you imagine being in so deplorable a situation that you think it is your only option to kill your baby? Believe me, some of these girls know this- but they feel trapped and feel like they have no way out- no one to turn to for help.

HELP THEM!

I will give you an example- I work for a faith-based, non-profit organization that is dedicated to caring for moms and babies www.holyfamilybirthcenter.com

When women/girls come in for a pregnancy test, we have them fill out a questionare…do they have money? do they have food? are they living in violence or another unsafe situation? do they have a place to stay? do they have someone to take care of them? to help them? did they plan the pregnancy? are they scared? are they happy? do they think they will keep the baby? do they think they might need an abortion? if they are pregnant, is there someone else that thinks they should get an abortion?

Then we go from there…we find them food/drink/clothing/shelter. We give prenatal care, provide support during labor, deliver the baby, provide support after the baby. We teach, we educate, we empower. We give them hope and confidence, and we just try and love them the best we can. We don’t ask for a lot of money- we have a sliding scale for fees, we help them apply for medical payment programs…People across the country know about us.

We are on the verge of closing-(and are confidently praying for a miracle!)

We have no money.

Many people SAY they care, but they seldom actually help. Don’t get me wrong, we have lots of faithful volunteers who are lifesavers! They are wonderful people who keep up our maintainace, who give us a break for a couple of hours, who provide baby layettes and diapers, how act as a doula. But -it is the same handful of people all of the time.

There are other organizations like ours. They need help!!! We need help!!!

So please- one person at a time- DO something! Make a difference. Send $5 to a pregnancy support center or to Maggie’s Place, or to Holy Family Services, or any number of non-profits who are doing but a little piece of the work to try and help these ladies and prevent abortions by helping be part of the solution.

Volunteer some time. Send a gift card, Donate some diapers. Most of us have a wish list of things we need all the time.

Put your money where your mouth is and do the work of Christ!
When He was/is hungry, homeless, cold, lonely, imprisoned, …Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers…that, you do unto Me…

Nancy Sandrock, CNM
Executive Director, Holy Family Services
Weslaco Tx.
www.holyfamilybirthcenter.com
956-969-2538

 

[notsmart]

Societal approval of murdering the innocent, no matter how long it might last, be it decades or centuries, would not make it right.

**Truth is eternal because God is eternal. ** To knowingly and deliberately destroy an innocent human being is murder, no matter what age the person might be or what the mental or physical condition of the person might be.

We are on a downward trend when it comes to eliminating our unwanted citizens. First it was abortion with reservations, then abortion on demand. Now it’s pulling the plug on disabled persons like Terri Schaivo and soon it will be on all disabled persons unable to speak for themselves. Now it’s euthanasia by overdosing the elderly who are put into or slip into comas. Soon it will be turning in grandma and grandpa to be put down “for their own good” and society’s good.

Sadly, this trend still has legs and will go on until those who thought abortion and the elimination of the disabled and elderly was a good idea find themselves the ones being reassured that after their injections everything will be better for everyone. And then it will be too late.

It’s what the world has been working its way down to since the beginning of the eugenics movement, and won’t stop unless and until WE put a stop to it. ** God will let us destroy ourselves if that is what we are bent on doing**.

I agree with all of this, especially the bolded…
I would humbly add that contraception did not help anything either.
I believe, it made a very unloving society.