God was behind Big Bang, universe no accident: Pope

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God’s mind was behind complex scientific theories such as the Big Bang, and Christians should reject the idea that the universe came into being by accident, Pope Benedict said on Thursday.

Some atheists say science can prove that God does not exist, but Benedict said that some scientific theories were “mind limiting” because “they only arrive at a certain point … and do not manage to explain the ultimate sense of reality …”

The Catholic Church no longer teaches creationism – the belief that God created the world in six days as described in the Bible – and says that the account in the book of Genesis is an allegory for the way God created the world.
 
A rough and ready translation of the homily can be found here:
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courtesy of google, the passage on creation:
And so we come to the star. What type of star that the Magi had seen and followed? Throughout the ages, this question has been the subject of debate among astronomers. Kepler, for example, believed that it was a “nova” or a “supernova”, that is one of those stars that normally give off a faint light, but that they suddenly have a violent internal explosion that produces a great light. Yes, interesting things, but that does not lead us to what is essential to understand that star. We have to go back to the fact that these men were looking for traces of God, trying to read his “signature” in the creation, knew that “the heavens declare the glory of God” (Ps 19:2), were certain, that God can be glimpsed in creation. But, as wise, knew well that is not with any telescope, but with the deep eyes of reason in search of the ultimate meaning of reality and God’s desire driven by faith, that you can meet him, indeed it is possible that God comes to us. The universe is not the result of chance, as some would have us believe. Contemplating it, we are invited to read something profound: the wisdom of the Creator, the inexhaustible creativity of God, his infinite love for us. We should not limit our minds to theories that are still only up to a certain point and that - if we look closely - are not in competition with the faith, but can not explain the ultimate meaning of reality. In the beauty of the world, in its mystery, its greatness and rationality we can not read the eternal rationality, and we can not help but be guided by it to the one God, Creator of heaven and earth. If we get this look, we see that He who created the world and one who was born in a manger in Bethlehem and continued to live among us in the Eucharist, are the same living God who calls us, loves us, wants to lead to eternal life.
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all told the Reuters article is very superficial and gives a very poor explanation of the Holy Fathers words.
 
catholictiger said:
news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110106/sc_nm/us_pope_bigbang

The Catholic Church no longer teaches creationism – the belief that God created the world in six days as described in the Bible – and says that the account in the book of Genesis is an allegory for the way God created the world.
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And when was that ever a Church Teaching? St. Augustine believed that Genesis shouldn’t be taken literal. The Church didn’t need to change it’s teachings to agree with modern science.
 
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) – God’s mind was behind complex scientific theories such as the Big Bang, and Christians should reject the idea that the universe came into being by accident, Pope Benedict said on Thursday.

“The universe is not the result of chance, as some would want to make us believe,” Benedict said on the day Christians mark the Epiphany, the day the Bible says the three kings reached the site where Jesus was born by following a star.

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My mother is always fond of telling the story about how our Pastor handled an upset parent when my mother was teaching evolution in Catholic grade school. The pastor looked at the parent and said" in the Catholic Church we are not concerned with the “:how”, we are concerned with the “who”"
 
Mike5575 said:
And when was that ever a Church Teaching? St. Augustine believed that Genesis shouldn’t be taken literal. The Church didn’t need to change it’s teachings to agree with modern science.
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the author made up alot I think
 
In my RCIA class… the Priest said “God could have done whatever he wanted”.
 
My mother is fond of telling the story of our pastor’s response to a parent who was upset about my mother teaching evolution in our Catholic grade school. The pastor said to the woman “in the church we are not concerned so much with the how as we are by the who”
 
Don’t think the Church is ever gonna live down the Galileo thing. But to me it seems more evangelicals today are creationists than Catholics. The media still lumps everyone together, though.
 
poker10 said:
Don’t think the Church is ever gonna live down the Galileo thing. But to me it seems more evangelicals today are creationists than Catholics. The media still lumps everyone together, though.
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The “Galileo thing” was really nothing much. Galileo was really outstepping his bounds and riduculing the Pope.

Pope Urban VIII only broke his good relations with Galileo when the latter wrote the book Dialogo, or Massimi Sistemi, in which he tried to ridicule the Aristotelian-Thomist philosophy in dealing with the systems of Ptolemy and Copernicus. Only then, in 1633, did the Pope deliver him to be judged by the Holy Inquisition for the second time . Here’s an excellent article about Galileo:

traditioninaction.org/History/A_003_Galileo.html
 
I’m glad the Pope came out and said this. That physicist Steven Hawking made the news a couple of months ago with some nonsense about how the origin of the universe didn’t necessarily start with God. It did, and more and more scientific evidence points that way.
D’Souza’s “What’s so Great About Christianity” went over some of that evidence.

Pope Benedict is right.
 
Its not by accident that the Father of the big bang theory was a Catholic Priest
A Univerise with a specific begining is very uncomfortable for Athesist
Also the Theory that time does not exist outside of our Universe. First suggested by Augustine.
Finally the big bang started with a flash of light (sound familar)
 
poker10 said:
Don’t think the Church is ever gonna live down the Galileo thing. But to me it seems more evangelicals today are creationists than Catholics. The media still lumps everyone together, though.
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Actually there’s really nothing to live down. Galileo was not punished not for claiming that the earth revolved around the sun but for mocking the pope in the book he worte explaing the theory. The truth is that the church was the champion of scientific discovery and the forerunner in establishing universities. Whenever you hear people start railing at the church about Galileo, the Crusades and/or the Inquisition you know they really have very little knowledge of church history or in fact history at all.
 
I read the commentaries on the Yahoo! article. They drove me crazy! How can have many people rejecting the God’s role?
 
sidbrown said:
Does this then mean that Catholics cannot espouse the multiverse theory?
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i don’t think the church really takes a position on creation type theories with the exception that God is somehow behind it. don’t listen to this article its way off
 
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