God's creation of the universe

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Why did God create the universe? God has always existed, and will always exist. Why then did he feel the need to create the universe? Was he not content with just continuing to exist as a “trinity” ?
Genesis tells us that God created the world and saw that it was was “good,” Chap 1 and 2. Chapter 3 then tells us that God created a “serpent that was more subtle than any other wild creature that the Lord had made.” Why?
The creation of this “serpent” resulted in original sin which then produced untold misery and suffering for countless generations and will, presumably continue, until the second coming of Jesus.
Couldn’t all this suffering, and Jesus’ sacrificial death, have been avoided simply by not creating the universe in the first place? Or am I looking at creation from the wrong angle?
 
The way I see it is that God created the universe simply because it is in His nature to create. I think it was Hagel who said that God entered into His creation in order to return back to Himself. Of course I don’t hold that extreme a view but I think he was on to something.

As far as the second part of your question, do you think God should’ve created a world of robots? Obviously there was a risk in creating free creatures. Its easy to be caught up in all the evil but think about all the good as well. I would go as far to argue that the good people we know of wouldn’t be so had it not been for people making free choices to commit evil.
Just my two cents, hope it brought some insight.
 
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Why did God create the universe?
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Couldn’t all this suffering, and Jesus’ sacrificial death, have been avoided simply by not creating the universe in the first place? Or am I looking at creation from the wrong angle?
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If we don’t separate one from the other, the answers might lie in the Franciscan (John Duns Scotus) that even had there been no fall, the incarnation would have occurred anyway, out of an act of Love by the Father.

The creation of the serpent did not result in original sin, the Love of the Father, giving all rational beings (angels and man alike) the gift of Free Will resulted in original sin.

God wants us to obey Him out of our love, not fear, of Him.
 
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Why did God create the universe? God has always existed, and will always exist. Why then did he feel the need to create the universe? Was he not content with just continuing to exist as a “trinity” ?
Genesis tells us that God created the world and saw that it was was “good,” Chap 1 and 2. Chapter 3 then tells us that God created a “serpent that was more subtle than any other wild creature that the Lord had made.” Why?
The creation of this “serpent” resulted in original sin which then produced untold misery and suffering for countless generations and will, presumably continue, until the second coming of Jesus.
Couldn’t all this suffering, and Jesus’ sacrificial death, have been avoided simply by not creating the universe in the first place? Or am I looking at creation from the wrong angle?
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Creation is not from necessity.
Serpent
  • Strong’s Concordance for subtle:
    ר֔וּם [‘ā·rūm]
    Adjective - masculine singular
    Strong’s Hebrew 6175: 1) subtle, shrewd, crafty, sly, sensible 1a) crafty 1b) shrewd, sensible, prudent
Creation includes metaphysical evil that is not a result of sin. The angels fell first, then Adam and Eve. Original justice was lost with consequences for all.

Catechism states this:
“The world was created for the glory of God”

394 The glory of God consists in the realization of this manifestation and communication of his goodness, for which the world was created. God made us "to be his sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace ",138 for "the glory of God is man fully alive; moreover man’s life is the vision of God: if God’s revelation through creation has already obtained life for all the beings that dwell on earth, how much more will the Word’s manifestation of the Father obtain life for those who see God."139 The ultimate purpose of creation is that God "who is the creator of all things may at last become “all in all”, thus simultaneously assuring his own glory and our beatitude."140

309 If God the Father almighty, the Creator of the ordered and good world, cares for all his creatures, why does evil exist? To this question, as pressing as it is unavoidable and as painful as it is mysterious, no quick answer will suffice. Only Christian faith as a whole constitutes the answer to this question: the goodness of creation, the drama of sin and the patient love of God who comes to meet man by his covenants, the redemptive Incarnation of his Son, his gift of the Spirit, his gathering of the Church, the power of the sacraments and his call to a blessed life to which free creatures are invited to consent in advance, but from which, by a terrible mystery, they can also turn away in advance. There is not a single aspect of the Christian message that is not in part an answer to the question of evil.
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http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p4.htm
 
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He created the universe because he felt like it. Since God’s ways are not our ways, I’m not even going to speculate why he felt like it.
 
God is love.

Since God is Love, and love is infectious – If love ceased to infect, it would cease to exist.

Therefore Love always seeks to expand to more “persons.”

God created a universe for more persons to live in.

Then God created us.

IMHO
 
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Couldn’t all this suffering, and Jesus’ sacrificial death, have been avoided simply by not creating the universe in the first place?
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Are you suggesting that God should not have shared his existence.
 
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