Gods knowledge about the future

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Here’s just one:
Psalm 139:4
“Before a word is on my tongue you, Lord, know it completely.”
 
MarkRome said:
Here’s just one:
Psalm 139:4
“Before a word is on my tongue you, Lord, know it completely.”
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I think King David(assuming it was King David) is taking poetic license in how he feels rather than a truism.
 
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Is 46:9-11 I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’ calling a bird of prey from the east, the man of my counsel from a far country. I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass; I have purposed, and I will do it.
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Jn 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
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1 Jn 3:20 For whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything.
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We also see many other examples of God advising that such and such will happen when so and so does such a thing.
 
It is also worth noting that God created time. He is ‘outside’ it. He does not experience time as we do (although Jesus did experience it while on earth). God is not up there in heaven marking off on the calendar, OK today is Saturday May 16, 2020 around 12:30 p.m. EST and later today X will happen for person A, and person B will decide to sin, and next week we’ll have a slight uptick in the coronavirus in this US state . . God sees everything from now to the end of time and beyond To infinity, as well as everything that has occurred from the beginning of time (and before that to infinity) To now, as one continuous ‘now”, “This is”, “I am”.
 
Most prophets received visions of the future by God and Jesus predicted the total destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
 
nicholasG said:
I think King David(assuming it was King David) is taking poetic license in how he feels rather than a truism.
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How do you know it isn’t true?

Psalm 134: 15-16: “My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be”
 
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Isaiah 46:10, “I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.’”

God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. God knows our future because God has no future, or past. Time is part of creation that only applies to creatures. But with God there is only the present, the eternal now.
 
Yes, God created time and the universe. I agree that God is outside of time as we know it but I think that God doesn’t know the future, God creates the future.
In my view, time is fluid and the present is contingent on the past, the future contingent on the present all being created by God. So depending on mans actions in the present God creates the future accordingly. This gives man free will.
 
God does not know the future.

He does not know the past either.

All things, all places, all times are all at once present to him. That includes our free choices.
 
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Let’s put it this way, if one were to ask God: “What will the weather be like on September 18, 2021? How many more times will I sin? Will person X go to Heaven?” Do you think God would say, “I don’t know.” Certainly not. God knows everything, as He knows our actions and their consequences before we do them, and the Father knows the day of His creating earth, the day of Christ’s return and everything in between. God is outside of time.
 
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christismylord said:
Let’s put it this way, if one were to ask God: “What will the weather be like on September 18, 2021? How many more times will I sin? Will person X go to Heaven?” Do you think God would say, “I don’t know.”
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No, I think God would say, “It depends on your actions, this is why I gave you free will.”
 
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I completely agree. But God knows exactly what our actions will be, without controlling them. So He still knows exactly what will happen as a result of our (pre-known by Him) actions.
 
He’s not making you do it, He simply knows you will and chooses not to do anything about it in that moment. I know my sister’s favorite color is blue…I didn’t make her choose that.
 
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christismylord said:
He’s not making you do it, He simply knows you will and chooses not to do anything about it in that moment.
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So he puts me through a test knowing I’ll fail? Why put me through the test to begin with?
I don’t think God plays games.

God is omniscient, He knows all in creation but not what is yet to be created. When God gave man free will He knew what free will entails, He’s very smart. We have free will and we face the consequences. What are the consequences? The consequences are the future God creates according to our actions.
 
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So he puts me through a test knowing I’ll fail?
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Well, He puts many people into the world knowing they will not choose Him, and many who will but will mess up along the way. The best verse I can give is:

Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

Romans 8:30 “And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.“

Where there is foreknowing and predestination, this would logically mean God knows the future, no?
 
Actually, there is no “future” as it relates to God. Future relates to those bound to time - us. He simply IS. From our extremely limited viewpoint, God was, is and always will be. Unchanged and unchangeable.
 
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christismylord said:
Romans 8:30 “And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.“

Where there is foreknowing and predestination, this would logically mean God knows the future, no?
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Romans 8:29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren.

Bible commentary:

predestined: Selected for divine adoption by an eternal decree of God. Predestination is a mystery revealed but not fully understood; what we know for certain is that God is free to act as he chooses and man is free to accept or reject his blessings. No one is predestined by God for eternal damnation.

The commentary seems to indicate that predestination is selected and not used for all mankind.
“man is free to accept or reject his blessings.”(free choice)
“No one is predestined by God for eternal damnation.”(if no one is predestined for the most egregious sins I would assume no one is predestined for any sin.)
Since God is the Creator, He can create future events but I think He does this prudently depending on mans actions.
 
nicholasG said:
So he puts me through a test knowing I’ll fail? Why put me through the test to begin with?
I don’t think God plays games.
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No, God doesn’t play games. Your state in Eternity is not a game to Him, nor should it be to you. But He allows you to choose your path and respects your free choice, even if He knows that it will be against Him.
 
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