God's love is an absurdity

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Non-dualism is the ancient understanding of what IS Universally substantial Knowledge beyond belief. That is why it is usually categorized as a philosophy, and rejected by those who need more localized understandings of temporal situations. That need for localization and small scale sense (as distinct from feeling) of control is why why have an unfortunate tendency to crucify our Saviors, physically, or mentally by rejection.

This is the problem we are encountering in the ideological sphere of faith considerations as we find the global village mentalities with their ages-old parochial and locally functional methods of coping clashing in the world theater. We do not yet publicly understand the Root derivation of all of these seemingly disparate systems.

If that perks you interest, I can give you a bibliography to pursue.
If I get the basic meaning I think I agree. We all tend to view our faith and circumstances based on our context and personal influences. And our faith and religion would be a major contributor. Maybe if you told me what Advaitist (Roman Catholic) EsoChristian is I could put your definition into better perspective?

I would like some refrences.
 
Actually, that is (Roaming Catholic.) It is easy to misread.

thanks for not flaming my post, which is the usual reaction I get instead of a reasonable response such as yours.

“Advaita” is and Sanskrit word for “non-dualism.” I only use it because any terms for it are rare in Western thought, though there are many Western proponents of non-dualism. Characteristically, proponents of that system have no name for themselves, any such naming in itself being a disinformation about the core meaning of the Understanding. My apologies, about that, but for the sake of talking about things, we use a name, eh?

References:

The first thing I recommend is a book that has an exceptionally unfortunate and misleading title. It is a text often used to very good end in many comparative religion courses, despite the title. People react even despite my disclaimer, but here it is:* Insights for the Age of Aquarius: a handbook for religious sanity.* It is by Gina Cerminara. It is interesting to point out that reactions are in my experience about equally divided between negativity concerning the word “Aquarius” and that anyone would propose that there is such a thing as “religious sanity.” Nevertheless, despite a particular shortcoming, the book is an excellent work on how we acquire and understand religious thought in the first place. Indispensable, IMHO.

The following is a short list, but long in reading. You actually might have to think. That is not an insult or an assessment of your abilities, it is a comment on that we usually think we think, and rarely know that we know. Before reading the following, read and consider all of the Identity statements attributed to Jesus.

A) The Philosophy of Consciousness w/out an Object by F. Merrell-Wollff. It might serve best to read his diary first, called Pathways Through to Space, a very interesting and engaging book chronicling the author’s very real metaphysical dilemmas.

B) I AM THAT Nisargadatta

C) A Thousand Names for Joy by Byron Katie

D) Anything by Ramana Maharshi or Krishnamurti

E) The writings and talks of the Catholic monk Meister Eckhart

F) Eckhart Tolle

G) *A Brief History of Everything *by Ken Wilber (Superb integrational philosophy!!!)

H) *The Crest Jewel of Discrimination *by Adi Sankara

I) *The Pagan Christ *and *Water Into Wine *by Tom Harpur

J) Anything by David R. Hawkins (Maybe even first after Cerminara’s)

K) anything from Kenneth G. Mills, very lyrical and less easily understood as exposition but more as Music.

And so forth…
 
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B) I AM THAT Nisargadatta
C) A Thousand Names for Joy by Byron Katie
D) Anything by Ramana Maharshi or Krishnamurti
E) The writings and talks of the Catholic monk Meister Eckhart
F) Eckhart Tolle
G) A Brief History of Everything by Ken Wilber (Superb integrational philosophy!!!)
H) The Crest Jewel of Discrimination by Adi Sankara
I) The Pagan Christ and Water Into Wine by Tom Harpur
J) Anything by David R. Hawkins (Maybe even first after Cerminara’s)
K) anything from Kenneth G. Mills, very lyrical and less easily understood as exposition but more as Music.
And so forth…
Krishnamurti…now there’s a blast from the past of the hippie era. I suppose it does go along with astral projection, however.

“The Pagan Christ” by Tom Harpur is an anti-Christian book written by someone with no background in biblical studies. I am afraid it is widely regarded by those who have a background in biblical studies as a joke. I am shocked to find anyone on this forum naming the book.

But then, you are a fallen away Catholic, I believe, who claims to be an ‘ascended master’ as an Advaitist, am I not right?

May God grant you wisdom, Annem
 
Thankyou for a very thoughtful reply Blainetog; and all the other replies for that matter.

I might comment on the Stephen Colbert video first. Don’t really know why you showed me that but all I can say is that the author got completely owned and ridiculed lol.

Anyway…Through the replies I have received I have learnt quite a lot. And I do feel somewhat better now. But only in one respect. I think I’m starting to see that one can actually completely reject God’s love and relationship willingly. And moreover, God loves us forever. However, I still do not see the merit of hell. Fine, if someone rejects God why must they end up in hell? Do they really deserve punishment? They rejected God’s love, and as you all say that, “they send themselves to hell”. However, God can prevent one from being sent to hell. If he loves us so much and if we still reject Him, then His FINAL act of COMPASSION and MERCY and LOVE can be to wipe one from existence.

**Hell is proclaimed to be made for the devil and NOT for HUMANS. Therefore, humans should not go there and nor do they have any right to go there./**quote]

Hasnt a human being turned himself into a devil by rejecting God eternally?

Think of it this way, a person who casts himself/herself into hell is not a human being but something that once was a human being and now has(corrupted by all its diabolical choices) banished itself from humanity by rejecting God forever? For God desires us to become fully human

To quote Dr. Peter Kreeft
“To enter Heaven is to become more human than you could possibly imagine, to enter hell is to be banished from humanity”
 
However, I still do not see the merit of hell.
First we must understand what God is. If God is just another entity like us, just somebody out there, some where, deciding the fate of the human race, when in reality he could have just cut us some slack and kick back and share a root-beer, then i can understand why you would perceive hell as unnecessary and unfair. This kind of God is absurd to me; but this is not a mature understanding of God, and it is not the God of Christianity.

If God is the true root of all objective and subjective happiness, being, and everything that is truly good, then surely you can see that in rejecting God, we don’t just lose a friendship, but rather we lose all that which is good in being, except for the goods that naturally belong to the fact that we exist. We retain only the objective good of existing, which is absolute and unconditional. Thus we must suffer hell existentially.

But before we can understand “existential hell”, we must understand that when we speak of good in reference to God, we are not merely giving a subjective compliment in regard to that which gives “pleasure”. We are speaking of a true objective goodness. We truly mean “God is Love”; and we mean exactly that when we say it. It is not a relative expression of opinion, but rather it is a superior understanding of that which is objective. The fact is, unfortunately, most people do not understand what true love is. They have glimpses of the objective good, and they gain some understanding of it “indirectly” through trial and error which might occur when they are in the pursuit of pleasure, and when they experience the pitfalls of life. Many of us learn this way. And so there are many people out there that have a very simple understanding of that which is good in so far as they perceive things only in regards to pleasure, pain and risk, simply because they make the error of acquainting these things with the ultimate good of existing. This is not to say that they are stupid, or that atheists or other like minded beliefs systems cannot perceive the good, but it still remains true that many of them do not have a metaphysical understanding of good and love, and thus they have a problem with hell. So, from this perspective, when we suffer, I can see, emotionally speaking, why love might seem contradictory, especially when we contemplate of hell. We do not understand why love leads to such things because we have a very simple understanding love. However, we are capable of learning, and so we must understand that if God is objective love, then one must be free to reject the objectivity of love, because love is ultimately selfless and “serving”, and thus does not force its self on upon the will of men and women, but rather provides a platform upon which they can freely choose and understand that which is good. For being is generous. Even more so, if one can reject love, then one must be free to experience reality without love.

Some have said, rejection of love is rejection of God and is therefore rejection of Gods ontological-being and that therefore this would seem to justify a total rejection from existence itself; and that this ontological rejection is the true definition of hell. But true Love is as such that one must have the dignity of choosing and living out ones choices, and this enables the objective good of taking responsibility for ones actions, which is an objective good, and at the same time this respects the objective dignity and value of “existence”; which is God, and thus is good. If God were to wipe us out from existence, then this would mean that existence is not objectively good; which is a contradiction in terms if we are to perceive goodness as being grounded in the objective. And so, to reject God is by definition, “existential hell”. God is as such that hell logically and potentially follows necessarily from the existence of freewill.

The reason why people find this hard to except, is because of the way in which they value the “good”. They wield the good as if it were objective and universally true, but they perceive it in a relative sense in so far as it serves their purpose. They accept goodness in their lives only so far as it benefits their will. In other words, people want a good that is subject to their own ends. A true objective love is unflattering to the ends of human distinction. Those who meditate on love become aware that there are certain logical truths which in fact do not benefit the simple pleasures, tastes, and ideas of the human ideal of material survival. Love gives spiritual priority over the material good, for there can be no true material good with out that which is spiritually good. Love sometimes means sacrificing the material good, and it can even mean the sacrificing of ones life. Love is not just pleasure.

When people reject hell, they are really rejecting the objective good. Some people are confused and do not understand and so think that hell is evil. But there those that do not like it because it doesn’t serve their own subjective purpose. A mature and responsible understanding of love is open to the concept of hell.

One more note on scripture. The people who speak of God in scripture speak of him on very human terms. They sometimes use human expressions that are not literally true of God, but are analogous to God. When you interpret scripture in the understanding that God is love you will realize that there is allot of metaphors, analogies and even stories that cannot be logically true of Gods being. Thats not to say that there is falsity in the bible. I believe that the underlying message is true and good, but you must be careful to interpret it in the correct manner.

Does this explanation help you? Out of ten, what would you give it?🙂
 
MoM~~I’d give it a 6.5 or 7. I want to give a higher “score,” yet there are some things relative to form of presentation that I feel positive about, but feel a need to hold back on. Overall, I feel intrigued by how you have come to your understanding. I’m not going to parse too much about it, save to say that I feel a general agreement with you, but that we are coming at it from somewhat different perspectives. This may be on my part due to having a very particular kind of education in the use of language. But, as I say, I find your presentation intriguing.

I’m prompted to ask what titles might be found on your bookshelves? Who influences your perspective and why?

Bindar
 
When people reject hell, they are really rejecting the objective good. Some people are confused and do not understand and so think that hell is evil. But there those that do not like it because it doesn’t serve their own subjective purpose. A mature and responsible understanding of love is open to the concept of hell.

Does this explanation help you? Out of ten, what would you give it?🙂
Your approach is refreshing and appreciated. I hope you write more. Although your definition of love is accurate as far as it goes, it tends to ascribes love to human perspective and tends to make excuses for God’s judgments in the earth.

I appreciate your image of God, and I totally agree with an existential hell but I do not understand your conclusions. Do you believe in a literal hell; the hell of eternal torment and suffering without end; the hell of Jonathan Edwards where sinners are held over the open flames and the flesh drips off their bones, over and over? Or, is eternal torment as scripture describes more imagery?

If you want me to vote I’d say your definition of God’s love is a little prudish and shy of the mark. God’s love is unique and covenant driven. Agape is love without expectation or manipulation. Agape is “other” focused and without ultimatums, demands, or negotiation.

We typically love when something is lovely. God loves the unlovely and his focus is on the lost, blind, and even the rebellious. Religion expects these to be tormented forever when they are in fact the objects of his love and victory. Under the old covenant God expected his percentage and obedience to the law. Under the new covenant he isn’t interested in a percentage but “hopes for” all of our being; and his example was in the form of selfless love. And he won’t cease until it attains his purpose in creation.

God’s love is without exploitation or recompense. Eternal torment would be the total opposite and fully aligned with human notion. This is where liberties have been taken with scripture to the advantage and culpability of the Church. The practice of indulgences was a perfect example of our horrendous abuse of papal authority and the reckless and calculated maltreatment of the weak, uneducated, and poor of spirit. It is this kind of exploitation that God’s wrath is held in reserve, but even then the purpose of his judgment on the offenders (all of us) will not be futile or without cure.

The wonder in all of this is how patient and long suffering God is with our clumsy effort to describe his nature and purpose in the earth. He unquestionably is amused. True love never fails; with failure the equivalent of any conclusion that falls short of God’s agape intentions for his creation.

If you still want a vote; I’d give you a strong 9. God bless.
 
Even more so, if one can reject love, then one must be free to experience reality without love.

A mature and responsible understanding of love is open to the concept of hell.

Hell is an experience of the rejection of Love - an inability to love or be loved. This is not just a concept I learned about in books or on the internet. If anyone has ever been in a place in their life where they are unable to love others or to let others love them - they know what hell is all about.

I thank God for allowing me to experience His Love. Otherwise I would still be in this “type” of hell. I can’t imagine the pain of rejecting Love for all eternity.

EVIL is the opposite of LIVE. I am now ALIVE in God’s Love.
 
The whole purpose of punishment is for rehabilitation or it is no longer punishment, it is murder.
 
(I did not read the entire thread)
Constantly, God is proclaimed as omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent – and ALL LOVING. God is continually pronounced as all loving and merciful. It’s one of the fundamental core beliefs in Catholicism. I WANT to believe this. But realistically, somebody who damns people to hell is not ALL loving if you ask me…
Since we are all deserving of hell, and God freely offers a place to all who accept him, ALL loving is accurate. If you reject free will I can see how you’d come to your conclusions.
If a mother has a child. She will love that child forever despite what that child does. Even if her child rapes, murders, steals, bombs cities and whatnot; the mother will continue to LOVE that child forever. Yes, she may be distraught, forever saddened, and angry with her child’s actions – but her love will never cease, and she will always welcome her child into her love. Furthermore, she would not want ANYTHING BAD to happen to her child regardless of the things he has done. WHY? BECAUSE SHE LOVES HIM FOREVER AND HER LOVE WILL NEVER CEASE. This is what love is!
Are you serious? I’ve come into contact with plenty of mothers who outright reject their child/children. Someone close to me was kicked out of her house by her mother when she was 16 because her new boyfriend didn’t want kids around. that was 21 years ago, her mother has yet to display the slightest of affections.
You’re not describing love, you’re describing unconditional acquiecence.
And when I hear such things as, “Thou shalt be condemned in hell and burn forever”, or “Thou shall be engulfed in eternal flames for eternity” – I seriously get angry.
Difficult truths usually get under our skin. Your anger does not invalidate.
WHO IS MORE LOVING HERE?

The mother who loves her child forever and forgives her child forever and will always welcome her child?

Or

A God who loves ALL; but if they trespass against him he will condemn thee to hell for ETERNITY
Let’s first throw out the false dichotomy, and rephrase-
WHO IS MORE LOVING HERE?

The mother who loves ‘her’ child (only hers), and forgives her child (only hers), and always welcomes her child back (only hers).

Or

A God who loves ALL, but does not force reciprocation (much like the mother). Consequently damns those who eternally reject to stay in eternal rejection.

I’m thinking the answer is God.
There is no mercy in condemning someone to hell. Even though God forgives sins through the Ministry of the Church, I cannot see how our God can condemn people to hell. No matter who it is, no body deserves to go there. Even if a murderer killed my entire family I would never want him to be in a pit of fire for eternity. It just isn’t right. Plus, looking at the world now, the utmost majority of the world does not follow the word of God, they do not go to Church, they do not confess their sins, and they continually sin throughout their lives. - These people, according to the Bible will go to hell. Moreover, it basically even says if you’re a good and loving person you will still go to hell if you don’t follow the word of Christ. Right…
Actually, as the Apostle Paul writes ‘There are those who have never heard of the law, yet they follow the law. They give witness that the demands of the law are written on the heart.’ (paraphrase) And Paul’s concern was following the law of Christ, not old covenant regulation.
What do you mean by good? There are different levels of good in human beings. There are those who do good to all those close to them, yet will not bat an eye while maligning one they don’t know. Are they deserving of heaven?
Might I add that people will be argueing that, “God does not send people to hell; they send themselves.” Well there doesen’t have to be a hell in the first place. If God is God, he is the ALL POWERFUL God and therefore hell does not need to exist. Moreover, he should bring his children back to him as intended - God being the alpha and omega; or beginning and end.
If there are free agents apart from God that can freely reject Him, then Hell has to exist.
Anyone who loves another person WOULD never even consider damming someone into hell for eternity. It’s just not right. And this is what seriously pisses me of about my faith and I’m trying to find a deeper meaning in all this, but I can’t.
Emotions aside. It would be unloving for God to undo or remake those who love Him freely in return for the sake of those who freely reject Him. How would that be loving?

Or, if you prefer, back to your ‘caring mother’ analogy – A mother has 2 sons; 1 that loves her back, and 1 that rejects her love. Would she be just if she could and did force both to be in the presence of her love? What happens to the relationship of the loving son and the mother now that she’s forcing him to love her in return?
 
The whole purpose of punishment is for rehabilitation or it is no longer punishment, it is murder.
That’s not entirely true. Another function of punishment is restitution - a “paying back of what you owe.” The concept of punishment as corrective action is altogether different (and I think more modern) than the function I mention: for instance, Hammurabi’s code. An eye for an eye was meant as a) a deterrent and b) as a transaction. If you take his eye, you must pay him yours. This perspective of punishment is the one that informs our judicial system now: pay your “debt” to society in a prison or forfeit your life for the one you’ve taken. I’m not a huge fan of the system (including the death penalty) but our prison system is not focused on rehabilitation - it is focused on payment for sins incurred (with a poorly attempted dash of rehabilitation).
 
That’s not entirely true. Another function of punishment is restitution - a “paying back of what you owe.” The concept of punishment as corrective action is altogether different (and I think more modern) than the function I mention: for instance, Hammurabi’s code. An eye for an eye was meant as a) a deterrent and b) as a transaction. If you take his eye, you must pay him yours. This perspective of punishment is the one that informs our judicial system now: pay your “debt” to society in a prison or forfeit your life for the one you’ve taken. I’m not a huge fan of the system (including the death penalty) but our prison system is not focused on rehabilitation - it is focused on payment for sins incurred (with a poorly attempted dash of rehabilitation).
You are sure an Eternity is payment due for the sin of not believing? Eternity?
 
You are sure an Eternity is payment due for the sin of not believing? Eternity?
Unfortunately most believe that God’s love is very vindictive. After all, this isn’t your mother’s kind of love.

Whatever happened to “not keeping track of wrongs?” As if God isn’t capable (or required) of the same level of love that we are???

Mhz
 
Unfortunately most believe that God’s love is very vindictive. After all, this isn’t your mother’s kind of love.

Whatever happened to “not keeping track of wrongs?” As if God isn’t capable (or required) of the same level of love that we are???

Mhz
I have to realize that all of this religion thing, is mostly speculation. Thank you for reminding me about that.🙂
 
I look at God’s love as an “absurdity” for different reasons than you. I have a very difficult time with a “merciful” God when there are so many horrible things that happen to people all the time. We have a 20 year old young man at our church who is in his last days from a very aggressive cancer and I ask "Why?"Also, where is God’s mercy when a young child dies from a horrible disease? and the last poster on the first page lost her son at 3 years old. Why? I’m not buying the redemptive suffering stuff either. I think it is another example of man’s way to rationalize things we can’t understand. Not everything has a reason. Sometimes things are just not fair.😦
 
MLyne, I completely agree. Fro my part all of this useless and silly argumentation, and people “standing up” for the kinds of scriptural and pious interpretations here, all stem from one incorrect idea. That idea is that God is a person, and capable of acting like a person in the deliberation of human affairs. If there is such an entity, it is not the God, it is some lesser Being, however beyond us.

What is happening here is the blaming an d crediting of a made up entity. The made p entity takes the ;lace in the minds of too many of what could be an understanding of what is at the root of their Being. If all the bickering about God this and God that went into serious self inquiry, the arguments would fade out for lack of support.
 
MLyne, I completely agree. Fro my part all of this useless and silly argumentation, and people “standing up” for the kinds of scriptural and pious interpretations here, all stem from one incorrect idea. That idea is that God is a person, and capable of acting like a person in the deliberation of human affairs. If there is such an entity, it is not the God, it is some lesser Being, however beyond us.
You seem to be condemning Jesus as not being an extension of God… is that correct?
 
I look at God’s love as an “absurdity” for different reasons than you. I have a very difficult time with a “merciful” God when there are so many horrible things that happen to people all the time. We have a 20 year old young man at our church who is in his last days from a very aggressive cancer and I ask "Why?"Also, where is God’s mercy when a young child dies from a horrible disease? and the last poster on the first page lost her son at 3 years old. Why? I’m not buying the redemptive suffering stuff either. I think it is another example of man’s way to rationalize things we can’t understand. Not everything has a reason. Sometimes things are just not fair.😦
I guess the question I have is “why do we see death as an absolute evil?” Since when do we regard heaven as something you should only look forward to after you’ve lived a long life? If heaven is everything it’s billed to be (and you believe in it), why should we question God’s mercy for calling people home to paradise before an age that we consider ripe? I understand holding dearly onto this life - we love it, in spite of its flaws, because it is all we have ever known and it has good. But should we feel upset that children who pass never have the opportunity to despair or be heart broken in this life - to suffer the evil that humans can do to one another? Don’t we hope they are in a better place?

I’ve lost people I care about to cancer and disease - it was a horribly painful thing - and the pain was mostly born out of my own selfishness: that I cannot see that person again, that I cannot hug them, I cannot talk with them, or that my children will never meet them. I found the most painful thing to be memories of that person and knowledge that that was it: there would be no more. It was all about me. Like a beautiful caged bird, I loved having them in my life. But what if the best thing for them was to open the cage and let them go? Do I love someone enough that I care for what is best for them, not what is best for me?

You mention that life is not fair? I wholeheartedly agree. I spent a couple of years living in the developing world and they have a much different view point on life and death than we Americans (or other developed countries) have: they accept it as a natural part of life and they thank God for every single day that He did give them. They don’t look for someone to blame for why their daughter died of malaria or curse God for being unfair: to those with so little, everything is a gift, everyday, every meal, every friend, and every possession. Their lives are hard, short, and poor and yet they don’t curse God for being unmerciful or mean.

Maybe that’s because they don’t get to live the good life like we do? If in their life, they got to look forward to nice cars, good houses, birthday parties, sporting events, sweet sixteens, proms, graduations, delicious foods, extravagant weddings, honeymoons in Europe, cosmetic dentistry, happy hour, exciting careers, and all the other wonderful trappings of modern developed society, they’d be angry with God for ending their life too soon. They’d probably be even angrier if they felt it was their birthright to have those things.

That sounds harsh and I’m sorry for not finding a better tone, but it does seriously trouble me that in our comfort and in our blessings, we feel entitled, instead of grateful. Life expectancy does not mean we have a right to those years. Every day is a gift and to call God unmerciful or say His love is absurd because He chooses to give a different gift (heaven) is wrong. Just because we wanted a different gift, doesn’t make the gift giver any less thoughtful or less loving: it just makes us ungrateful for our inability to say “thanks.”

Life is not fair. If it were, we wouldn’t be riding high on the horse while so many are struggling to get by. If it were, the top billion wouldn’t be consuming 32 times more than the bottom 5/6ths.
 
You are sure an Eternity is payment due for the sin of not believing? Eternity?
Sorry for not being clearer - my comment was tangential - but solely in response to the assertion that the sole focus of punishment was rehabilitation. That assertion is simply incorrect in any context and I didn’t think it was a fair comment to make in “judging” God’s love.

My two cents on hell have been well posted here before: hell is our choice and it is the privation of all that is good, including love.

The dominant view on this thread is that God can force anything He wants to happen - and while that it is true - it doesn’t apply to humans. In creating humans with free will, God necessarily constrained His power: we do not have to follow His will, but can, instead choose to follow our own plan. To force a choice on us is to unmake what He made us to be and kind of destroys the whole point of our existence: to return the love the God gives us to him - to love God.

We can choose and must be able to choose hell - or “Not God.” We have to be able to check that box. Otherwise, our “love” of God is like calling a dictator’s election’s democratic when his name is the only one on the ballot. In order for us to love God, we must be able to choose something other than God - and that, by definition, is evil.

In order to go to heaven, we must love God - I think that’s the only way we’d want to go to heaven. We don’t go to heaven because we love the idea of heaven - we go there because we love our Father and want to be with him. It’s like going to your cousin’s wedding because you care about your cousin - not because you hear there is going to be an open bar. Because if you find out there isn’t an open bar or its different than what you expected, you’re going to be unhappy to be there.

You think that God judges us and then throws us into hell or tosses us a rope later to get to heaven. I think that God shows us who we have truly been in this life, without our rationalizations, without our disguises or excuses. Like a contestant on American Idol, we all think ourselves to be great singers - many of us, when we see the recording, will be mortified to find out that the voice inside our head isn’t the one that everyone else has been hearing. Those of us who can’t sing at all (not because we can’t, but because we’ve chosen not to work on it) realize that a singing show isn’t any place for us at all and we head off to our proper destination. That doesn’t mean the Judge didn’t want us to be in the show - He probably wishes dearly that we had made use of the talents we had been given and mourns the fact that we are a wasted opportunity - a waste of talent, a waste of life. He loves us still with the thought of what we could have been, even as we turn our back on him, and embrace the waste that we’ve become.

I believe that if there is any hope at all that we love Him, that despite the sin and baggage, there is still a part of us that can love, we end up in purgatory, where the sin and rot are removed like scar tissue until we can finally love Him again. The worse the damage, the longer and more difficult the rehabilitation.

A final thought: we are told that God is everything that is good; that God is love; and that no servant can be greater than the master. If love has a source, then no love can be greater than that of the source. If a power plant generates 600MWs of electricity, you can’t expect your neighborhood to use 601MWs of power. So think of the love that you find most pure in this life and realize that it doesn’t compare to the pure love that God gives of Himself.
 
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