God's Not Dead 2 is in theaters now

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Christianus_Dei said:
We need Christian movies like Les Miserables and The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. Not all this self-indulgent junk.
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It would be nice if Walt Disney Pictures made a pro-Christian film again. Narnia was a rarity for Disney. I would especially like it if Walt Disney Animation Studios made a pro-Christian film.
 
I like Hallmark cards (the older ones) and an unapologetic reference to Christian talk and themes in movies and books.

Ed
 
edwest2 said:
I like Hallmark cards (the older ones) and an unapologetic reference to Christian talk and themes in movies and books.

Ed
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The problem is that the themes in films like God’s Not Dead are not “Christian talk.” Unapologetic, yes, but not Christian. Christian talk involves the Cross, it involves suffering. Not tripe. The first disciples of Jesus gave their lives for him. They didn’t proclaim salvation through concerts by terrible bands or standing up for their rights as Americans.
 
anon67074017 said:
They used fascist-like tactics against freedom of speech though.
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The words decency, modesty and respect still exist. The only tactic used was to remind Catholics in the pews of what they should be standing up for.

Ed
 
edwest2 said:
The words decency, modesty and respect still exist. The only tactic used was to remind Catholics in the pews of what they should be standing up for.

Ed
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I agree that those are worthwhile values. I just don’t think that the government should get involved. The Church can still condemn films on its own. Maybe the Church should have condemned Frozen. That film goes against Catholic values.
 
anon67074017 said:
I agree that those are worthwhile values. I just don’t think that the government should get involved. The Church can still condemn films on its own. Maybe the Church should have condemned Frozen. That film goes against Catholic values.
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I’ll bite… How does Frozen go against Catholic values? One sister sacrifices herself for the other in an act of true love.

How does that go against Catholic values?
 
phil19034 said:
I’ll bite… How does Frozen go against Catholic values? One sister sacrifices herself for the other in an act of true love.

How does that go against Catholic values?
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He might be referring to the lyrics of “Let it Go,” which state “No right, no wrong, no rules for me, I’m free,” at least that’s what I have heard from others who object. I do think it’s problematic that the song doesn’t fit the rest of the movie - during production Elsa was a villain who got reworked. But the movie does show she was wrong.

I’ve heard a lot of parents of children with autism or related issues praise the film because Elsa reminds them of their own children, and shows how the way we treat these in society can backfire.

Just some food for thought. 🙂
 
If anyone has seen Zootopia one can see some great positive things in it.
 
pensmama87 said:
He might be referring to the lyrics of “Let it Go,” which state “No right, no wrong, no rules for me, I’m free,” at least that’s what I have heard from others who object. I do think it’s problematic that the song doesn’t fit the rest of the movie - during production Elsa was a villain who got reworked. But the movie does show she was wrong.

I’ve heard a lot of parents of children with autism or related issues praise the film because Elsa reminds them of their own children, and shows how the way we treat these in society can backfire.

Just some food for thought. 🙂
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Yeah, the song (the version sung during the movie, not by Demi Lovato) needs to be taken in context. In the movie, Elsa was giving well meaning, but bad advice by her parents to hide herself from everyone, including her sister - who was her best friend.

She allowed fear rule her life and those “right and wrong rules” we’re the rules she was living by (which she talks with her father about and then are in the song:

Don’t let them in, don’t let them see
Be the good girl you always have to be
Conceal, don’t feel, don’t let them know

This song (full lyrics are here azlyrics.com/lyrics/idinamenzel/letitgo.html) is a great example of teaching our kids how to read in context (which is something kids don’t learn anymore, as they take everything at face value).

She not saying no right no wrong in a moral sense, but that she no longer has to live by the rules which bounded her to a life of fear.

For the most part, Disney removed the dark elements of her character to emphasize Elsa was simply a nice person living in fear.

Granted, some people have claimed that it’s a metaphor for homosexuality, but it isn’t. It’s a metaphor for anyone living with something about themselves they are ashamed of and trying to hide from the world. It eats them up on the inside.

Honestly, I think Frozen has lots of Christian & Catholic social & family teaching lessons if we look closely and read everything in its proper context.

God Bless
 
Catholics who joined the Legion of Decency did so on their own. It was and still is, a great idea. The Church talked to Hollywood. Hollywood recognized its obligation to the public and told the Church it would do things differently. When things didn’t change, The Legion of Decency was created. The last thing Hollywood is promoting today is decency.

Ed
 
phil19034 said:
Yeah, the song (the version sung during the movie, not by Demi Lovato) needs to be taken in context. In the movie, Elsa was giving well meaning, but bad advice by her parents to hide herself from everyone, including her sister - who was her best friend.

She allowed fear rule her life and those “right and wrong rules” we’re the rules she was living by (which she talks with her father about and then are in the song:

Don’t let them in, don’t let them see
Be the good girl you always have to be
Conceal, don’t feel, don’t let them know

This song (full lyrics are here azlyrics.com/lyrics/idinamenzel/letitgo.html) is a great example of teaching our kids how to read in context (which is something kids don’t learn anymore, as they take everything at face value).

She not saying no right no wrong in a moral sense, but that she no longer has to live by the rules which bounded her to a life of fear.

For the most part, Disney removed the dark elements of her character to emphasize Elsa was simply a nice person living in fear.

Granted, some people have claimed that it’s a metaphor for homosexuality, but it isn’t. It’s a metaphor for anyone living with something about themselves they are ashamed of and trying to hide from the world. It eats them up on the inside.

Honestly, I think Frozen has lots of Christian & Catholic social & family teaching lessons if we look closely and read everything in its proper context.

God Bless
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Right.

I don’t think the movie is perfect by any means, but I don’t think it’s horrible, either. And the songs are catchy. 😃
 
The Hays Code, for the most part, drew reasonable lines that Hollywood should not cross. There’s no code in the Hays Code. It is my guide as a writer. “on the down low”? I haven’t heard that one in a while. If you don’t like it, that’s fine. It was meant to be a guide for Hollywood studios.

Who are currently reveling in the sexual, perverse, dark and dead. Roman Orgy? How original…

Ed
 
edwest2 said:
The Church talked to Hollywood. Hollywood recognized its obligation to the public and told the Church it would do things differently. When things didn’t change, The Legion of Decency was created. The last thing Hollywood is promoting today is decency.

Ed
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What about the FCC and their ‘monitoring’ of all network TV for any and all curse words, nudity, etc? Do you know why, in todays world, they are still monitoring for things that in reality, most people today would be content being shown on tv?

Im curious if the FCC sees this as their moral battle to continue doing this? I cannot imagine anyone or any group is actively pushing them to keep doing this though…not in the world today.
 
Yes, I know the Hays Code has a few incorrect things, however, it is the best guide I’ve seen. Infantilize? Yeah, just like those “Art Houses” that showed “Art Films” in the old days. I remember the artists yelling for their “freedom” in the late 1960s. Too many movies, to them, were “pablum,” baby food. As soon as they got their “freedom,” a straight line can be drawn from what they wanted then to now.

Adult means what it’s always meant: dirty, filthy, perverted, dysfunctional, and let’s add buckets of blood and gore.

The Church had the right vision for what movies should be and I grew up with those movies. They were wonderful, uplifting and modeled good behaviors. There was a clear line between the good guys and the bad guys. And being bad was bad. Now? The “”"“hero”"" is just a little less brutal than the villain or less psychotic.

Heroes working with the bad guys to get what they want? Killing for revenge?

Trash. Garbage. Suitable for the gutter.

Ed
 
phil19034 said:
I’ll bite… How does Frozen go against Catholic values? One sister sacrifices herself for the other in an act of true love.

How does that go against Catholic values?
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Frozen promotes secular humanism. This is especially true in “Let It Go”. The song sounds similar to “The Internationale”. The movie also portrays witchcraft positively. These do not sound like Catholic values.
 
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