Gods sabbath day

[Robbinson]

2 THES. 1 [7] And to you who are troubled REST WITH US, WHEN THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN with his mighty angels, [8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

The fact that we will experience “rest” upon the Lord’s return when others are facing judgement does not mean that we are not experiencing rest now in Christ. Hebrews tell us that we can experience “rest” today (now) and we do when we have faith in, and join with, Christ.

Hebrews is clearly speaking of Gods sabbath day. I have asked people to explain how they rest in Christ and they really cant. Most answer in platitudes which convey nothing. It is very soft and nice to the ears to say your resting everyday with Jesus. But what does that mean? And if you come to know what that means why would anyone conclude that that means you no longer need to keep His 4th commandment? That being said the above scripture tells you when your rest with Jesus begins. Its after His 2nd coming.\QUOTE]

Its actually not a difficult subject - we indeed “rest” in Christ in the solice He provides to our souls - he accepts our burden (his Yoke is light) and he makes us new creatures in Christ. You are a Christian (per your prior posts, I believe you said so), do you not feel your rest in Christ? Hasn’t putting your faith in Christ given you a sense of warmth and security and forgiveness that you did not have before coming to faith? That is the “rest” which Christ provides and which has been deined Israel.

In terms of the 4th commandment - as noted in the prior posts - Christ came to “fulfill” the law and his rest fulfills the rest of the saturday Sabbath. The saturday Sabbath was a once per week “rest” replaced by the “every day rest” afforded to us in Christ. Sunday (the Lord’s Day) is not the saturday Sabbath - but a separation remembrance of the Lord’s resurrection. As a matter of tradition, its observance has adopted many (but not all) of the traditional observances associated with the Saturday sabbath under the Mosaic Law.

ISAIAH 14 [1] For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and WILL YET CHOOSE ISRAEL, and set them in their own land: and THE STRANGERS shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. [2] And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors. [3] And it shall come to pass in the day that THE LORD SHALL GIVE THEE REST from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

Theres those “other stangers” again. Again, the above scripture is speaking of the 1000 yr period of rest. It is at that time the Lord shall give you rest.

Israel has, in large part (except for a small remnant of believers who have accepted Christ as their Saviour) rebelled against the Lord and have not accepted Christ - thus they do not yet know His rest and will not know that rest until the “morn for the one whom they have pierced” and “call on the name of the Lord” (in the end times) as foretold in Zechariah. Interestingly (not a coincidence), this is consistent with Paul’s prophecy in Romans 11 that “after the full alottment of Gentiles comes in, “all Israel” will be saved”.

I think we are a little off topic. If you choose to continue to observe the saturday Sabbath - you can do so. History shows us unmistakably that the earliest generations of Christians ceased to celebrate the Saturday Sabbath shortly after the destruction of the temple in 70Ad and continued (and already established practice) celebration of the Lord’s Day as a separate memorial of the resurrection.

Blessings,

Brian

 

[iWrecknSow]

In terms of the 4th commandment - as noted in the prior posts - Christ came to “fulfill” the law

So when the bible says Jesus fulfilled the law, what does this mean? Many will claim because Jesus fulfilled the law, the law is now done away with. We need not keep it. What do the scriptures say.

MATT.5 [17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, ONE JOT OR ONE TITTLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.[21] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:[22] But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

What did Jesus mean when he said he came to fulfill the law? Did he mean he came to do away with the law or make the law even greater? First he says he has not come to destoy the law. OK. Then he goes on to say the law is intact until heaven and earth pass. I know the earth is still here, so according to Jesus we are still under the law. And when we look at verses 21 and 22 we can see how Jesus fulfilled the law. He tells us not only to keep the letter of the law (thou shall not kill) but we are also to keep the spirit of the law (don’t even get angry).

MATT.5 [27] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:[28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Again Jesus fills full another one of the 10 commandments. Adultry (the letter of the law) and lust of the eyes (the spirit of the law).

ROMANS 7 [12] Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. [13] Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. [14] For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The law is spiritual. The letter of the law is so much easier to keep than the spirit of the law. Jesus magnified the law to a spiritual realm. And if you sit and think about it you will realize you cant keep the spirit of the law if you are not first walking in the letter of the law.

ISAIAH 42 [20] Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.[21] The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Isaiah 42 is speaking of Jesus. Just read the whole chapter. Theres no question about it. A prophecy fulfilled! The above scripture says Jesus would come and will magnify the law. The new testament bears this out. He made the commandments even greater by telling us we are to walk in spirit of the law.

ROMANS 7 [4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. [5] For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. [6] BUT NOW WE ARE DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held; THAT WE SHOULD SERVE IN NEWNESS OF SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE OLDNESS OF THE LETTER.

Jesus magnified the 10 commandments to a spiritual level. But as ive said before, theres no way to walk in the spirit of the law without first walking in the letter of the law. It just cant be done.

 

[Robbinson]

So when the bible says Jesus fulfilled the law, what does this mean? Many will claim because Jesus fulfilled the law, the law is now done away with. We need not keep it. What do the scriptures say.

MATT.5 [17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, ONE JOT OR ONE TITTLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.[21] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:[22] But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

What did Jesus mean when he said he came to fulfill the law? Did he mean he came to do away with the law or make the law even greater? First he says he has not come to destoy the law. OK. Then he goes on to say the law is intact until heaven and earth pass. I know the earth is still here, so according to Jesus we are still under the law. And when we look at verses 21 and 22 we can see how Jesus fulfilled the law. He tells us not only to keep the letter of the law (thou shall not kill) but we are also to keep the spirit of the law (don’t even get angry).

MATT.5 [27] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:[28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Again Jesus fills full another one of the 10 commandments. Adultry (the letter of the law) and lust of the eyes (the spirit of the law).

ROMANS 7 [12] Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. [13] Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. [14] For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The law is spiritual. The letter of the law is so much easier to keep than the spirit of the law. Jesus magnified the law to a spiritual realm. And if you sit and think about it you will realize you cant keep the spirit of the law if you are not first walking in the letter of the law.

ISAIAH 42 [20] Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.[21] The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Isaiah 42 is speaking of Jesus. Just read the whole chapter. Theres no question about it. A prophecy fulfilled! The above scripture says Jesus would come and will magnify the law. The new testament bears this out. He made the commandments even greater by telling us we are to walk in spirit of the law.

ROMANS 7 [4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. [5] For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. [6] BUT NOW WE ARE DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held; THAT WE SHOULD SERVE IN NEWNESS OF SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE OLDNESS OF THE LETTER.

Jesus magnified the 10 commandments to a spiritual level. But as ive said before, theres no way to walk in the spirit of the law without first walking in the letter of the law. It just cant be done.

HI Wreckinsow

If that is what you believe, then you should continue to follow all 613 of the commandments contained within the Old Testament. I think this is legalism and a rejection of the gospel which freed us of the Mosaic Law and replaced it (per jer 31-31-34) with a New (and expressly different) Covenant). But you do not agree, and as you do not accept the authority of the Church an rely on your own interpretation of scripture, I’m not going to impose upon you another view.

I’ve explained to you what I believe and why (and what the Church believes and expounds as the truth) - the rest is up to you.

I view you as a brother/sister in Christ and I’m happy to enjoy your fellowship. I hope you continue your studies and prayers and, as I will not judge you, hope you will do the same for me.

Blessings,

Brian

 

[iWrecknSow]

We, Orthodox, adhere to the Faith of the Fathers. To really enter the Kingdom of God, we must embrace the truth about Him.

In the book the “Faith of our Fathers” which was written by James cardinal Gibbons in 1876, You will find this quote. “But you may read the bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the “sanctification” of Sunday. The scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.”

EZEKIEL 20 [12] Moreover also I GAVE THEM MY SABBATHS, TO BE A SIGN between me and them, that they might know THAT I AM THE LORD THAT SANCTIFY THEM.

The sabbath is a sign between God and his people that the “Lord does sanctify them”.

ISAIAH 66 [15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.[17] THEY THAT SANCTIFY THEMSELVES, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine’s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, SHALL BE CONSUMED together, saith the LORD.

I just love “Day of the Lord” scriptures. No one can claim that the scripture is for ancient Israel, because its yet to be fulfilled. It will be fulfilled when Jesus returns. Anyways, if THE SABBATH IS A SIGN THAT GOD SANCTIFYS YOU. Who are those that “sanctify themselves”?

Just a little somethin extra to show how great the WORD is! There are only 2 places in the KJV where the words “moreover also” can be found. A coincidence that huge? I think not.

EZEK.20 [12] MOREOVER ALSO I gave them MY SABBATHS, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them

ACTS 2 [26] Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; MOREOVER ALSO MY FLESH SHALL REST in hope:

If you will notice in ACTS 2 the WORD says “my flesh shall rest in hope”. Just as GODS 4th commandment tells us to do.

GENESIS 2 [1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3] And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, AND SANCTIFIED IT: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

AINT THE WORD OF GOD GREAT!

 

[iWrecknSow]

Heres somemore good scriptures about the LOST SHEEP Jesus said He came lookin for.

MATT.18 [11] For the Son of man is come to SAVE THAT WHICH WAS LOST. [12] How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?[13] And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

The Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

MATT.15 [22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.[23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.[24] But he answered and said, I AM NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP of the house of Israel.

I am not sent but unto the **lost sheep **of the house of Israel

JER.50 [4] In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God.[5] They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in A PERPETUAL COVENANT that shall not be forgotten.[6] MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN THEIR RESTINGPLACE.

My people hath been lost sheep
they have forgotten their restingplace (they sure have)
let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten (remember the…)

Well, In Jeremiah we can find the sheep that Jesus came for. The remnant of the lost 10 tribes of the children of Israel ! Have the many been decieved, just as the new testament says. The sabbath rest has been forgotten, but as you can see, the lost sheep that Jesus came for will return to the “perpetual covenant” and keep Gods sabbath day. Dont ya just love it when a plan comes together

EXODUS 31[15] Six days may work be done; but in THE SEVENTH IS THE SABBATH of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a PERPETUAL COVENANT.[17] It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

This is really great. If you have a KJV bible you will find the words “PERPETUAL COVENANT” only in these 2 scriptures. Jer. 50 and Exodus 31. Exodus 31 speaks of the sabbath as a “perpetual covenant” and Jer.50 speaks of that “perpetual covenant” being forgotten by His people.

 

[juliamajor]

Jesus said that "the sabbath was made for man,not man for the sabbath."What does that mean?Which day is the sabbath? do you really think that Jesus would want us arguing and hating each other over it?Is the sabbath supposed to free us or are we to be slaves to it? Is a specific day really that important or is it treating it like a special day .That it is God’s time is more important.Do you also not work at all on it, do you cook on that day?Do you have someone turn your lights on?Do you drive your car?Do you walk more then going to your church? Do your animals rest?Do you turn your TV, your radio, your computer off.Do you go to the movies?If you do anything like that you are breaking the sabbath according to the Law of Moses.You Can’t just keep the Friday/
Saturday sabbath by going just going to church.If you want to keep those Laws into perpetuity then you better go the whole nine yards.Do you Keep the Feasts? those also were supposed to be observed forever. Or do you pick and choose the Mosaic laws that suit you? Can you really just argue about keeping a Saturday sabbath and NOT keep the Feasts?

 

[juliamajor]

Oh yeah-i’ll take my RSV over the KJV any day!

 

[juliamajor]

Oh yeah-i’ll take my RSV over the KJV any day!

Ah-i see iwrecknsow that you don’t observe all the sabbath Laws.So how can we take your view seriously when you don’t take it seriously yourself?Using the computer!!

 

[iWrecknSow]

Do you Keep the Feasts? those also were supposed to be observed forever. Or do you pick and choose the Mosaic laws that suit you? Can you really just argue about keeping a Saturday sabbath and NOT keep the Feasts?

No, im not a pick and chooser. I know we are to keep Gods feast days because the new testament tells me to.

ACTS 18 [20] When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not; [21] But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means KEEP THIS FEAST that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

Here we find Paul (not McCartney) by all means keeping one of the feast days.

1 COR. 5 [6] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? [7] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [8] THEREFORE LET US KEEP THE FEAST, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

This is after Christ had risen. They were still keeping the Feast of unleavened bread and this scripture tells us we are to keep the feast day.

 

[iWrecknSow]

Do you also not work at all on it, do you cook on that day?Do you have someone turn your lights on?Do you drive your car?Do you walk more then going to your church? Do your animals rest?Do you turn your TV, your radio, your computer off.Do you go to the movies?If you do anything like that you are breaking the sabbath according to the Law of Moses.

Hello Juliamajor
You are so right. The Jews added so many laws that pertained to the sabbath that it became a burden rather than a blessing. Thats why Jesus tried to explain to the people that the sabbath was made for them as a blessing and that He did not make man to worship the sabbath. He also showed them in many ways. He healed on the sabbath and that made them mad. His people picked corn on the sabbath and had a picnic. This made them mad.

Want to see a parable

EXOD.35 [2] Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.[3] Ye shall KINDLE NO FIRE throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

KINDLE NO FIRE. Ya think this might be a parable? After all, common sense should tell ya that some of Gods people might be in the colder regions of the world. They might have to start a fire to stay warm or cook some food.

PROVERBS 26 [20] WHERE NO WOOD IS, THERE THE FIRE GOETH OUT: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.[21] As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to KINDLE STRIFE. [22] The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly.

Seems so. Seems to have something to do with the words you speak. Any new testament scriptures that verify the old, that this would be a parable?

JAMES 3 [4] Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.[5] EVEN SO THE TONGUE IS A LITTLE MEMBER, AND BOASTETH GREAT THINGS. BEHOLD, HOW GREAT A MATTER A LITTLE FIRE KINDLETH![6] And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.[7] For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:[8] But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

Yup. No doubt about it. Once again the new testament verifies the old.

JER.17 [26] And they shall come from the cities of Judah, and from the places about Jerusalem, and from the land of Benjamin, and from the plain, and from the mountains, and from the south, bringing burnt offerings, and sacrifices, and meat offerings, and incense, and bringing sacrifices of praise, unto the house of the LORD.[27] But IF YE WILL NOT HEARKEN UNTO ME TO HALLOW THE SABBATH DAY, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; THEN WILL I KINDLE A FIRE in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.

How many times and how many ways must the Lord tell us to keep His sabbath day before we will believe Him?

EZEKIEL 20 [47] And say to the forest of the south, Hear the word of the Lord; Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I WILL KINDLE A FIRE IN THEE, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: THE FLAMING FLAME shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burned therein. [48] AND ALL FLESH SHALL SEE THAT I THE LORD HAVE KINDLED IT: it shall not be quenched. [49] THEN SAID I, AH LORD GOD! THEY SAY OF ME, DOTH HE NOT SPEAK PARABLES?

Yeah, He does speak in parables I Guess by the time God kindles His fire and all flesh shall know He kindled it, itll be to late for many.

 

[iWrecknSow]

I was just watching the national prayer service for Obomba. There was a lady pastor who was quoting Isaiah 58.

ISAIAH 58 [12] And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, THE RESTORER OF PATHS TO DWELL IN.[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call THE SABBATH a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:[14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

She stoped at the end of verse 12. Verses 13 and 14 will come to pass but i dont think it will be our new president leading the way.

 

[iWrecknSow]

##** No, it is not true. That last sentence in particular is rubbish, spread by pig-ignorant fanatics who have not a clue about early Church history, & wouldn’t know Baal if he mugged them in broad daylight. **

Do you think scripture below is talking about baal worship?

EZEK.8 [13] He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.[14] Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD’s house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat WOMEN WEEPING FOR TAMMUZ.[15] Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and THOU SHALT SEE GREATER ABOMINATIONS than these.[16] And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD’s house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and THEIR FACES TOWARD THE EAST; AND THEY WORSHIPPED THE SUN TOWARD THE EAST.

how about the one below?

JER.10 [3] For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.[4] They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.[5] They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

 

[iWrecknSow]

Ok, its really LIONS AND WOLVES AND FALSE PROFITS – OH MY

So how did this come about? How and why did Christians turn away from the written Word and begin to keep the doctrines of man? We Christians were actually givin many warnings about these bad guys and what they would do. The warnings are all around the new testament.

1 PETER 5 [8] Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a ROARING LION, walketh about, SEEKING WHOM HE MAY DEVOUR:

Watch out for these roaring lions!

MATT.7 [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are RAVENING WOLVES.

Beware of these false prophets. They are RAVENING WOLVES. Also implied here is that “the many” will follow these false prophets and but a few will take the way of life.

ACTS 20 [29] For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous WOLVES ENTER IN among you, not sparing the flock.[30] Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, TO DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES after them.

The GRIEVOUS WOLVES were there from the beginning

EPH.4 [17] This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth WALK NOT AS OTHER GENTILES walk, in the VANITY of their mind,[18] Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:[19] Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all UNCLEANNESS with GREEDINESS.

Well, I found all these warnings from the new testament in one scripture. The Day of the Lord scriptures are so great. Since “that day” has not yet arrived no one can claim that the scripture is for ancient Israel and does not apply to christians. Day of the Lord scriptures do apply to christians (those who believe that Jesus came) and these scriptures will come to pass. To see what these ROARING LIONS and RAVENOUS WOLVES have done, simply read and believe the Word.

EZEK.22 [23] And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,[24] Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation.[25] There is A CONSPIRACY OF HER PROPHETS in the midst thereof, like a ROARING LION ravening the prey; THEY HAVE DEVOURED SOULS; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.[26] HER PRIESTS HAVE VIOLATED MY LAW, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the UNCLEAN AND THE CLEAN, and HAVE HID THEIR EYES FROM MY SABBATHS, and I am profaned among them.[27] Her princes in the midst thereof are like WOLVES RAVENING THE PREY, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get DISHONEST GAIN.[28] And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, SEEING VANITY, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken

A conspiracy of the prophets. HID THEIR EYES FROM MY SABBATHS! They meant to do it and they sure did pull it off despite the warnings

Hes a tricky little devil

 

[Robbinson]

Ok, its really LIONS AND WOLVES AND FALSE PROFITS – OH MY

So how did this come about? How and why did Christians turn away from the written Word and begin to keep the doctrines of man? We Christians were actually givin many warnings about these bad guys and what they would do. The warnings are all around the new testament.

1 PETER 5 [8] Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a ROARING LION, walketh about, SEEKING WHOM HE MAY DEVOUR:

Watch out for these roaring lions!

MATT.7 [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are RAVENING WOLVES.

Beware of these false prophets. They are RAVENING WOLVES. Also implied here is that “the many” will follow these false prophets and but a few will take the way of life.

ACTS 20 [29] For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous WOLVES ENTER IN among you, not sparing the flock.[30] Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, TO DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES after them.

The GRIEVOUS WOLVES were there from the beginning

EPH.4 [17] This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth WALK NOT AS OTHER GENTILES walk, in the VANITY of their mind,[18] Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:[19] Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all UNCLEANNESS with GREEDINESS.

Well, I found all these warnings from the new testament in one scripture. The Day of the Lord scriptures are so great. Since “that day” has not yet arrived no one can claim that the scripture is for ancient Israel and does not apply to christians. Day of the Lord scriptures do apply to christians (those who believe that Jesus came) and these scriptures will come to pass. To see what these ROARING LIONS and RAVENOUS WOLVES have done, simply read and believe the Word.

EZEK.22 [23] And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,[24] Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation.[25] There is A CONSPIRACY OF HER PROPHETS in the midst thereof, like a ROARING LION ravening the prey; THEY HAVE DEVOURED SOULS; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.[26] HER PRIESTS HAVE VIOLATED MY LAW, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the UNCLEAN AND THE CLEAN, and HAVE HID THEIR EYES FROM MY SABBATHS, and I am profaned among them.[27] Her princes in the midst thereof are like WOLVES RAVENING THE PREY, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get DISHONEST GAIN.[28] And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, SEEING VANITY, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken

A conspiracy of the prophets. HID THEIR EYES FROM MY SABBATHS! They meant to do it and they sure did pull it off despite the warnings

Hes a tricky little devil

These are interesting verses iWrecknSow. I guess the key question is whether these are speaking beyond the time of the coming of the New Covenant (per Jer 31:31-34) which fortold of the replacing of the Mosaic law with a new covenant, and the NT verses suggesting that we have our rest in Christ (Hebrews). Or, are you correct in your implication that the Sabbath continues even after the coming of the New Covenant.

The difficulty with the latter view (Sabbath continues) are the apparent express verses in the NT saying that we no longer judge each other by the feastival or sabbaths that we keep and the verses in Hebrews suggesting that our rest is in Christ.

Galations makes it explicit and clear that Gentiles need not follow the mosaic law of become “jews” to be Christian (circumcision, etc). The more meaningful debate is whether jews need/should continue to observe the saturday Sabbath as it was ordained to them “forever” (though the hebrew word used there is “olam” which by context can mean a period of long, but undefined, duration - not forever in eternity - and thus I believe this means until the coming of the New Covenant).

But I appreciate the posts -quite thought provoking indeed.

Blessings,

Brian

 

[rogdodg]

i believe that Jesus is the fulfillment of the sabbath in that now we rest from our works and we enter into the rest that he promised to all who have faith and believe in the work he accomlished on the cross.So now every day is a sabbath or day of rest and a holy day.As far as observing a certain day to me its every day.

 

[rogdodg]

From reading God’s word I find that we are to share what God has revealed to us and encourage each other,build each other’s faith up in the word of God till we all to the same knowledge.As far as relgion goes it may mean well but God’s word should be and have the final say.

 

[iWrecknSow]

These are interesting verses iWrecknSow. I guess the key question is whether these are speaking beyond the time of the coming of the New Covenant (per Jer 31:31-34) which fortold of the replacing of the Mosaic law with a new covenant,

Hey Robbinson
Who did ya like at super bowl? I was happy as i took Arizona and the points. Hebrews 8 and Jer.31 are speaking of the same thing

HEBREWS 8 [8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: [9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MIND, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. [13] In that he saith, A NEW COVENANT, HE HATH MADE THE FIRST OLD. NOW THAT WHICH DECAYETH AND WAXETH OLD IS READY TO VANISH AWAY.

All seem to agree. This covenant arrived (in part) with the crucified Christ. So the 10 commandments are still in effect for the believer according to Hebrews 8. Hebrews 8 was written AFTER the crucified Christ and the scripture clearly says that the old covenant (10 commandments) is waxing old and GETTING READY to vanish. Aint vanished yet! This scripture also states that EVERYONE from the least to the greatest will know the Lord. I know for a fact as do all, that hasnt happened yet. Are there any other scriptures that say the law is to be written on our heart and yet WE ARE TO BE KEEPING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS?

PROVERBS 7 [1] My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee. [2] KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS, and live; and MY LAW as the apple of thine eye. [3] Bind them upon thy fingers, WRITE THEM UPON THE TABLE OF THINE HEART.

Yup

When does Hebrews 8 come to completion?

EZEKIEL 36 [24] For I will take you from among the heathen, and GATHER YOU OUT OF ALL COUNTRIES, AND WILL BRING YOU INTO YOUR OWN LAND. [25] Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. [26] A NEW HEART also will I give you, and A NEW SPIRIT will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. [27] And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. [28] And ye shall dwell in the land that i gave to your fathers; and YE SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE YOUR GOD.

DEUT. 30 [4] If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will THE LORD THY GOD GATHER THEE, and from thence will he fetch thee: [5] And the Lord THY GOD WILL BRING THEE INTO THE LAND WHICH THY FATHERS POSSESSED, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. [6] And the Lord THY GOD WILL CIRCUMCISE THINE HEART, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. [7] And the Lord thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee. [8] And THOU SHALT RETURN AND OBEY THE VOICE OF THE LORD, AND DO ALL HIS COMMANDMENTS which I command thee this day.

The scriptures of Jer.31 and Hebrews 8 will come to completion after the gathering of Gods people, in the twinkling of an eye at the blowing of the last trumpet, They will be gathered not unto heaven as the rapturist claim, but to the land that was promised.

 

[smlandry0516]

Is it scriptural to keep another day of rest other than Gods sabbath day. Why sunday? The reason i ask is we only have one shot at this. We have to get it right. In James we find that if you practice to break one of Gods commandments, youve broke them all. You are a transgressor. Can anyone show me out of scripture why we keep sunday as a day of rest and not the sabbath. Thank you.

=smlandry0516] I’v been plagued by that same question. Saturday is the Last Day of the week for a reason. “And on the seventh day God rested”. Why then should we now rest on Sunday, the first day of the week? It wasn’t commanded by Jesus or the Apostles, so under who’s authority was it changed and why? You’re right! We do have to get it right.

 

[solja247]

=smlandry0516] I’v been plagued by that same question. Saturday is the Last Day of the week for a reason. “And on the seventh day God rested”. Why then should we now rest on Sunday, the first day of the week? It wasn’t commanded by Jesus or the Apostles, so under who’s authority was it changed and why? You’re right! We do have to get it right.

I believe the Sabbath is still as important and was NEVER EVER changed in the Bible. However, The catholic church changed Sabbath to Sunday, since they have ‘the keys of David’

 

[truthseeker65]

Gods Sabbath is the seventh day,Saturday.The sabbath has been on the seventh day since creation.The fourth commandment says to remember the sabbath and to keep it holy.The sabbath was changed by the catholic church.No "MAN"has the authority to change Gods’ laws.There is not one scripture in the Bible that says anything about the Sabbath being changed or that man can change it if he so chooses.In fact there is some scripture that deals with man changing Gods’ laws:Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you,neither shall you diminish aught from it,that ye may keep the commandments of the lord your god.Deuteronomy 4:2,Every word of god is pure…add thou not unto his words,lest he reprove thee,and thou be found a liar,Proverbs30:5,6.Read Daniel 7:25,God knew that one day someone would seek to change his laws.God even says that his word is pure,do you think that a lowly man,here on earth has the power to change the sabbath day and then even change the ten commandments?I don’t think so.Why would it need to be changed anyway,there is nothing wrong it!Jesus waited until after the sabbath to arise,he also died on the cross just before the sabbath began.