God's Timelessness, Repentance and Purgatory

[FChichizola]

As I understand it the idea is that indulgences are earned while we are alive. I guess when you die, you cash them in, so to speak. I believe that they are a tool the Church uses to encourage piety and for the person to seek grace.

 

[Soubirous1]

cashed in against time in purgatory.

 

[FChichizola]

Yes, Since the Church describes a time in purgatory, I believe it in faith. My question is to the logic of the argument in relation to the other two arguments I wrote in the question.

 

[Soubirous1]

Just because God puts time on purgatory doesn’t mean you’re not in eternity. the point in time you’re in now is part of eternity. God said I knew you before you were born.

 

[po18guy]

Indeed. The purgation process is mysteriously related to time in some aspect - otherwise it would be a permanent state.

Sursumcorda1 As to Matthew 12, our wills are frozen at death. That verse does not mention repentance, but forgiveness. We can die with venial sin on our souls, but that sin does not lead to death. Purgation is a cleansing from venial sin - a healing if you will, as well as a cleansing from the attachment to sin.

Have a read of 1 Corinthians 3:10-14 for an idea of the process. As well 2 Maccabees 12:45 and following gives a hint of being “loosed from sin” after death.

 

[Gorgias]

I have never heard this being called a composite. It doesn’t sound right to me. Can’t explain why.

Hmm. Well, maybe because it’s a philosophical term, and usually only encountered in this context in philosophy classes (and internet fora!)…?

From the catechism:

2516 Because man is a composite being, spirit and body , there already exists a certain tension in him; a certain struggle of tendencies between “spirit” and “flesh” develops. But in fact this struggle belongs to the heritage of sin. It is a consequence of sin and at the same time a confirmation of it. It is part of the daily experience of the spiritual battle.

(All emphases from the original text.)

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Blessings,
G.

 

[FChichizola]

FChichizola:

I have never heard this being called a composite. It doesn’t sound right to me. Can’t explain why.

Hmm. Well, maybe because it’s a philosophical term, and usually only encountered in this context in philosophy classes (and internet fora!)…?

From the catechism:

2516 Because man is a composite being, spirit and body , there already exists a certain tension in him; a certain struggle of tendencies between “spirit” and “flesh” develops. But in fact this struggle belongs to the heritage of sin. It is a consequence of sin and at the same time a confirmation of it. It is part of the daily experience of the spiritual battle.

(All emphases from the original text.)

Don’t know how to mark text to reply in parts how you did, sorry.

Hit “reply” and then hit the 'cartoon word balloon" icon. As you look at the text you’ve quoted, you’ll see how the software does it. Basically, you bookend the text in “

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Blessings,
G.

Thank you for the clarification and quote Instructions.

May God Bless you,