Not only Christians will go to heaven. God isn’t for Christians alone and it is not written anywhere in the Bible that God is a Catholic. Some Non-Christians can still go to heaven if they live morally right lives. God is so full of Love to put so many Non-Christians in Hell. If you don’t understand the teachings of the Catholic Church then I will suggest you try another denomination. Love the Lord God with all your heart and soul and Love your neighbor as yourself and you will be saved.
this is contrary to the words of Jesus who said that few find the narrow road that leads to etenral life… that many will try to enter Heaven but wontt be strong enough… (st Lk 13:24… st Mt 7)
When Paul condemns division and schism, and warns multiple times, that anyone who lives like that to the end will not inherit heaven, [Gal 5:19…]where do you suppose Paul is saying that person’s eternal destination will be? Who is Paul speaking under the guidance of when he made that warning?We’ve had mixed responses but here’s another quote which appears to say the Catholic Church ignores Christ’s warnings not to judge and instead pronounces judgement to hell.
“Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, **he will without a doubt perish **in eternity.” (SOURCE: Denzinger’s Enchiridion Symbolorum; The Sources of Catholic Dogma; 30th edition, # 39)
Jesus said that HE is the way, the truth and the life… that no one comes to the Father except through HIM…
it stands to r eason that if Jesus Christ, God and man, built a Church… or started one, i should say… and t hen helped let his Apostles build it… that that Church can be trusted in everything it officialy teaches…We’ve had mixed responses but here’s another quote which appears to say the Catholic Church ignores Christ’s warnings not to judge and instead pronounces judgement to hell.
“Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, **he will without a doubt perish **in eternity.” (SOURCE: Denzinger’s Enchiridion Symbolorum; The Sources of Catholic Dogma; 30th edition, # 39)
):compcoff: Judging whom God will send to hell when Jesus said not to judge is also contrary to His words.
(Matt 7:1).
Love God. Love your neighbor. Serve the poor, the hungry, the thirsty, the homeless, care for the sick and you serve Him. It was so clear until man started adding legalistic rules to the words of God. :sad_yes::compcoff: Judging whom God will send to hell when Jesus said not to judge is also contrary to His words.
“For wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself” (Rom 2:1)
Jesus also said believe in Him and you will not perish but will have everlasting life. (Jn 3:16)
Jesus said to serve the hungry, the thirsty, the homeless, to take care of the sick and receive eternal life. (Matt 25;35-46)
Who’s judging in the following examples?:compcoff: Judging whom God will send to hell when Jesus said not to judge is also contrary to His words.
So based on the passages above, Paul turns around in Rm 2:1 and condemns himself for making those judgements?
***typical tactic…:compcoff: Judging whom God will send to hell when Jesus said not to judge is also contrary to His words.
“For wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself” (Rom 2:1)
Jesus also said believe in Him and you will not perish but will have everlasting life. (Jn 3:16)
Jesus said to serve the hungry, the thirsty, the homeless, to take care of the sick and receive eternal life. (Matt 25;35-46)
***Absolutely Excellent!!! :clapping::dancing::extrahappy:
=distracted;6725694]yes, i just re-read the last sentence of my post and i have no idea why i didnt add… what you say… about culpability… maybe i am more hungry than i thought (low blood sugar or something)?
***AMEN! and God’s continued Blessings,i think that in evanglizing, we should never assume that someone is going to make it to Heaven on the road he is currently on… That’s why i sound kinda… strong or whatever in some statments i make… i always assume that what Jesus said is true…sorry, i know that sounds odd… but what he said about not many finding the narrow rd that leads to eternal life… and i try to help them find that pathway to Heaven… If i come across as judgmental, as many posters accuse me of here…
**Matt. 7: 13-22 **"Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus **you will know them by their fruits. ** "Not every one who says to me,
Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ "typical tactic…
when you don’t have a good response…
throw the accusation of being judgmental at 'em…
I have no idea what you mean by no response as my response is clear. I do not believe we have the right to judge whether someone is going to hell. Period. You and others I know believe you have the right to judge whether someone is sinning. And apparently you take a cue from Paul and judge whether they are going to hell. Feel free to do so. I am neither Jesus nor Paul but I worship Jesus not Paul. Paul said many things. He also said women should not speak in church. How’s following that one goin for ya? God bless you and peace.Those are 2 different issues. The 1st issue, the Church doesn’t send anyone to hell
Paul isn’t saying they WILL go to hell. He’s saying that those who comit those sins mentioned and remain in them can’t go to heaven. Paul is not closing the door to repentance. Are you going to argue with that? Paul is laying out the consequences of certain behavior. If the consequences to certain behavior is THAT serious, then THOSE sins by definition are mortal sins. If someone corrects their behavior, confesses their wrong, they don’t have that mortal sin on their soul anymore. Heaven is available to them. That’s why Paul WARNS. That doesn’t mean one can be lax about correcting their behavior and confessing a mortal sin. One doesn’t know the time or the second they will die. Untill they rid themselves of mortal sin, they are IN and remain IN mortal sin. And if they die in that state, they will NOT go to heaven. That’s scripture. That’s what the Church teaches.
obedience to Paul = worship?
The Church looks at your reference to 1Cor. 14:34–38; as having to do with ordination
you can answer to this kind of thing if you want…Those are 2 different issues. The 1st issue, the Church doesn’t send anyone to hell
Regarding the 2nd position, The Catholic Church has the responsibility to teach authoritatively. To ensure that authority, The Catholic Church has been given the power to bind and loose directly from God who created the Catholic Church. What the Catholic Church binds here is bound in heaven…etc. That however, doesn’t translate to you personally having that power. But the Church DOES have that power.
Paul isn’t saying they WILL go to hell. He’s saying that those who comit those sins mentioned and remain in them can’t go to heaven. Paul is not closing the door to repentance. Are you going to argue with that? Paul is laying out the consequences of certain behavior. If the consequences to certain behavior is THAT serious, then THOSE sins by definition are mortal sins. If someone corrects their behavior, confesses their wrong, they don’t have that mortal sin on their soul anymore. Heaven is available to them. That’s why Paul WARNS. That doesn’t mean one can be lax about correcting their behavior and confessing a mortal sin. One doesn’t know the time or the second they will die. Untill they rid themselves of mortal sin, they are IN and remain IN mortal sin. And if they die in that state, they will NOT go to heaven. That’s scripture. That’s what the Church teaches.
obedience to Paul = worship?
remember what Jesus said to His apostles? If people don’t listen to YOU they won’t listen to ME or the one who sent ME.
The Church looks at your reference to 1Cor. 14:34–38; as having to do with ordination
catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0201sbs.asp
catholic.com/library/Women_and_the_Priesthood.asp
We don’t ordain women to the priesthood but If you look at who does most of the catechesis of children in the Catholic Church, you’ll proboably see women. And they probably have or run most of the lay ministries
Good because the Church shouldn’t presume to know God’s judgement before He renders one.
you seem to have an incomplete idea of what the Church is… because you imply that the Church can possibly make a mistake in Her ex cathedra teachings…