Good Bye Crime-Law & Privacy, Hello Military-Ruled World (about Terrorism as a Military Excuse)

[francisca]

To sharpen my point further, international crime has been under international crime law. Such a law has existed for a long long time. Criminal investigation should not be at the mercy of the military or a presidential office. It has to have it’s own initiatives and methods. The courts of law is not under presidential office, or any other office, and in the same way, banks are under it’s own independent territory and should not be compelled to give up their client’s privacy without any evidence or warrant from criminal justice.

The fact that the military capable to spy on everyone is in confrontation with the idea of civil liberty.

 

[Peebo]

When you’re forced to do something by a power much greater than you and to which you cannot defend yourself or disagree, you are being oppressed.

I said that most of the time it’s for our good, that doesn’t change anything.

I didn’t say we shouldn’t pay our taxes, I said they’re oppressive.

I don’t mind taking my shoes off at the airport, but it is oppressive since I cannot NOT take them off. For whatever reason that it may be necessary - which I agree with.

As far as my phone conversations and my email, I beg to differ with you.

It is certainly true here because there’s talk all the time of creating a law making it illegal to listen in - which means that they are. In fact, I’ll go one step further: Our politicians phone calls are intercepted and monitored! You could imagine we little folk!

Plus, I’m better off today because of the industrial revolution. I’d say that the amount of tax I pay is taking away much of my standard of living - or quality of life.

Where are you that you’re so happy to pay? I’m comin’ over!

Fran
Actually, it’s a bit too far…

I’m not disagreeing with you…but didn’t Jesus tell the pharisees…“give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar…give to God what belongs to God”…so all man made laws that governments impose on its peoples…as long as they don’t contravene Gods laws…should be adhered to…we may not like it and the only way we can change laws we don’t like is to vote governments in and out of office…unfortunately in todays world with terrorism on the rise people are fearful…as FDR said…“we have nothing to fear but fear itself”…and because of that fear we are losing more and more freedoms because we demand our elected officials do more to keep us safe…and to do that they implement more and more policing on our freedoms…so in a way …“we the people” are becoming our own worst enemy

 

[mikekle]

I’m not disagreeing with you…but didn’t Jesus tell the pharisees…"give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar…give to God what belongs to God

I find that particular verse a little too convenient for modern govts/ authority, how do we know it was not a metaphor or symbolic of something else?

Dont cause any problems, dont question our actions, just keep going to work everyday to pay all your bills, keep paying your taxes year after year, etc. we will take care of the hard stuff for you. lol

Governments have succeeded at brainwashing too many people in modern times, there is NO way any of these things would have been accepted back in the late 1700s, people would have stood up against Govt back then, joined together, but today, everyone is far too worried about getting into legal trouble, which would cause personal problems, loss of jobs, income, home, cars, arrest record, etc etc. I dont think its any coincidence all those ‘concerns’ outweigh taking action as our Constitution requires, a slow, methodical conditioning of the population over the years has led to this kind of society.

One indicator of this is, if some of the historical american patriots we celebrate every July 4th were alive today and did some things they are known for, they would be labelled domestic terrorists, and jailed.

Of course, everytime there is a major terrorism event, our lawmakers tell us not to change anything about our lives, not to let the terrorists win, but they dont even realize, they are doing the exact opposite, they are doing the changing for us, with majority of people being duped into thinking its whats best…go figure? LOL

 

[frangiuliano115]

To sharpen my point further, international crime has been under international crime law. Such a law has existed for a long long time. Criminal investigation should not be at the mercy of the military or a presidential office. It has to have it’s own initiatives and methods. The courts of law is not under presidential office, or any other office, and in the same way, banks are under it’s own independent territory and should not be compelled to give up their client’s privacy without any evidence or warrant from criminal justice.

The fact that the military capable to spy on everyone is in confrontation with the idea of civil liberty.

I’m wondering where you live.
Exactly what financial freedom are you talking about?
I didn’t know there were any left.
Maybe I could move to where you live.
And as for all the rest, I agree with you.
But I think it’s already too late.
i think days of real personal freedom are far gone.
I live in a country where a person could be found NOT GUILTY of a crime and can be prosecuted AGAIN, for 3 times!
This is at least not the case in the states, but everything else is the same.

And re the pres of the U.S.
Did you ever hear that song by U2?:

Nothing Changes On New Year’s Day.

Fran

 

[frangiuliano115]

I’m not disagreeing with you…but didn’t Jesus tell the pharisees…“give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar…give to God what belongs to God”…so all man made laws that governments impose on its peoples…as long as they don’t contravene Gods laws…should be adhered to…we may not like it and the only way we can change laws we don’t like is to vote governments in and out of office…unfortunately in todays world with terrorism on the rise people are fearful…as FDR said…“we have nothing to fear but fear itself”…and because of that fear we are losing more and more freedoms because we demand our elected officials do more to keep us safe…and to do that they implement more and more policing on our freedoms…so in a way …“we the people” are becoming our own worst enemy

I agree with you and also with what Mikekle has posted.

Regarding what Jesus said, I believe He meant what He said. Pay your taxes and follow the laws of the land as long as they don’t conflict with God’s laws - as you’ve said. I don’t think there was any hidden message - forget how Mikekle phrased it.

We the people are becoming our own worst enemies. Yes.
OTOH, we cannot protect ourselves. This is the prime reason for having a govt: Protection of our home, our town, our nation. Look at the people that are arming themselves because they don’t even trust the govt to do this anymore.

The present govt is a joke. Regarding what Mikekle said:

Do you know the story of the lobster?

It was put into cold water. It was okay. Then the water warmed up and it felt kind of nice, then…

Mikekle is right. We’re in the very warm water right now.

Fran