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Morning_Star15
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I personally think Wicca is more dangerous for a person than Islam, since Wicca, at least as I understand it, involves trying to control the supernatural (whether this supernatural is defined as God, a multiple gods, spirits, etc.). Whether you believe in damnation or not, it should ring alarm bells to think that you are trying to control and conform to your will something more powerful than you are. That’s playing with fire. As a Christian, I often ask God for things and I believe that if He grants them, it is because He loves me and wants what’s best for me, not because I used some magic talisman to force that favour out of Him - isn’t the first option a much better relationship to have with God than the second?
The news that Wicca is growing in membership is therefore alarming to me, mainly because of the souls who are trying to excercise power over something more powerful than them - IMHO this is neither logical nor safe.
Karolina
The news that Wicca is growing in membership is therefore alarming to me, mainly because of the souls who are trying to excercise power over something more powerful than them - IMHO this is neither logical nor safe.
Karolina
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reborn_pagan
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-.- boy oh boy oh boy, all of these people who want to bend supernatrual and all this other witchcrap is no more but abunch of cr*p, we dont tamper with elements…we dont create fireballs out of nowhere and launch them or cast mind control spells on others…its tampering with free will which is not part of the actual wiccan religion…please all im wanting to happen with me bieng here is that people know more than what they think is the truth
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VociMike
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Actually the western world is becoming increasingly fearful of and hostile to any religious displays in public, and that will come to include wiccan symbols too. Radical separation of church and state (and any public space or workspace) will of necessity supress wiccan displays as well, or the courts will find that the selective deniers are being, well, selective…
Sorry to burst your bubble.
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gallo
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Given current views of some of Islam toward pagans (or anyone else non-orthodox Islam), it will not share a majority status with wicca.
You also don’t see what’s happening. Sure, the left wing gov’t and atheists are trying to push out Christianity by this religious indifference garbage and many other religions are rejoicing at a chance to become a majority. However, IF they do it to us, what makes you think they won’t come after you! Russia and China are good examples.
Not to mention that if wiccans continue to be for abortion, contraception, homosexuality, etc. it will fade from the Rising Sun in that somewhere down the line somebody will get a clue as to what the definition of “harm” really is.
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reborn_pagan
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okay i dont want to burst your bubble but there isnt much of the great seperation of church and state…i’m homeschooled right now but i was in public school and there was this christian club called RUSH, and its in every single highschool that i know of in the county…and honestly what would be wrong with another relgion bieng the majority?Actually the western world is becoming increasingly fearful of and hostile to any religious displays in public, and that will come to include wiccan symbols too. Radical separation of church and state (and any public space or workspace) will of necessity supress wiccan displays as well, or the courts will find that the selective deniers are being, well, selective…
Sorry to burst your bubble.
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VociMike
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Depends on which religion. How do you think, for example, wicca and Islam would get along?
Anyway, my humble opinion is that wicca will come and go, that it is more fad than faith for most people. Let’s meet here in 20 years and see what has become of wicca then.
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francesco920
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The thing that would be wrong is that people would be converting from a religion that leads to salvation (Christianity) to a religion that leads to damnation (wicca.) To us, Christianity is not merely a religion but the one and only TRUTH revealed to us by the Almighty God. We are not Christians because Christianity gives us pleasure, we are Christians because it is the Truth. Paganism is a thing of the past; a belief system invented by ancient peoples who felt the call of the supernatural and who tried to reach out to God even though they did not know Him. The reality is that God revealed Himself to us as Jesus Christ 2000 years ago to save us, and this Divine Truth called Christianity went on to replace the empty Paganism of Europe and other lands. Paganism, which has come back to us now as the newly made up cult of Wicca, is just as empty as it always has been. In fact, Wicca is even more empty than the primitive Paganism because it is simply a religion invented by modern man for pleasure. Christianity did not fit modern man’s vision of abortion, sexual ‘liberation’, homosexuality, vanity, and hedonism so modern man came up with a new religion.
Again, I implore you to reconsider your decision to be a Wiccan. Study history, think about why you have decided to follow Wicca, and reach out to God and to his people. Jesus loves you and wants you to experience true happiness, not the false happiness and empty pleasure of Wicca!
I will be praying for you.
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ComradeAndrei
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The numbers game is a farce. The Mormons and other groups claim that they’ll be the largest religion by such and such a time but the problem is, numbers don’t work the way they want them to.
Wicca and Islam seem to be the current fad religions. The Eastern religions were the fad religions of the 90’s and seem to be somewhat on the wane. Wicca because it is so “tolerant” that anything goes-which appeals to the teenage angst and desire to thwart legitimate authority. Islam appeals to the folks that fell all over themselves to be PC and ended up buying into it.
This too shall pass…
Wicca and Islam seem to be the current fad religions. The Eastern religions were the fad religions of the 90’s and seem to be somewhat on the wane. Wicca because it is so “tolerant” that anything goes-which appeals to the teenage angst and desire to thwart legitimate authority. Islam appeals to the folks that fell all over themselves to be PC and ended up buying into it.
This too shall pass…
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Morning_Star15
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Never having been a Wiccan myself, I guess I’m not as good an authority on Wiccan practices as you are
, I’m just going by what I have seen other Wiccans doing, and how they’ve explained their beliefs and practices to me. I never said anything about fireballs or mind control, only that, from my understanding, Wicca involves using words, talismans, etc. to get the “spirit world” to give you what you want. For example, I’ve heard of Wiccans using spells to get good grades in school, using sceances to get information about dead relatives, etc. From my perspective, it’s an attempt to control the supernatural forces, even if it’s in small things like the ones I mentioned above, not mind control or fireballs. I don’t think any of us are powerful enough or have enough knowledge of the world beyond our own to try to control it - it’s safer to ask politely than to demand. If the Wiccans who have given me this image of Wicca were not practicing Wicca correctly (or were practicing it differently from you - there are, after all, various forms of Wicca, right?) just say so.
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pagan_soul
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Wicca because it is so “tolerant” that anything goes-which appeals to the teenage angst and desire to thwart legitimate authority.
Interesting…I believe that religions like wicca are popular BECAUSE they are so tolerant of others. Tolerance is a beautiful thing. You point it out like its so awful. LOL.
Most people I talk to, Catholic or not, are tolerant of homosexuality and other religions. They also prefer to use birth control, have sex before marriage, don’t believe that the bible is to be take literally, and any number of things that are apparently against your teachings. The numbers are in favor of tolerance and against intolerance.
I predict more schisms in the church to accomidate the evolution of our human society.
The rigidity of the church is what makes people flock to wicca.
I, personally, wish that the church would lighten up a bit on the intolerance so that these wannabe pagans would go back to being Catholic.
They aren’t so much wiccan converts as escaping catholicism rigid hold on ‘the truth’. They just can’t stand hypocrisy and hate mongering in Christ’s name. Many give up a life of beautiful rituals in the church to re-discover the truth of God on their own. But they miss the church but cannot seem to swallow what is being dictated to them. They often stumble around looking for the ‘leader’ or ‘priest’ for guidance and find nothing but books or people selling ‘courses’. Its sad, truly sad. They are walking fodder with a long line of people waiting to fleece them of their money and their faith.
If they avoid or survive that journey then they discover that all the lies spoken to them about pagans are not true and then their faith in their church is further damaged.
But I’m sure I’ll get a bunch of comments about how I should stop watching charmed, stop sacrificing babies, stop worshipping satan and spreading my lies…which is just more hate mongering and fear tactics from the church which again pushes people further away.
And no…I won’t come in from the dessert. LOL.
Interesting…I believe that religions like wicca are popular BECAUSE they are so tolerant of others. Tolerance is a beautiful thing. You point it out like its so awful. LOL.
Most people I talk to, Catholic or not, are tolerant of homosexuality and other religions. They also prefer to use birth control, have sex before marriage, don’t believe that the bible is to be take literally, and any number of things that are apparently against your teachings. The numbers are in favor of tolerance and against intolerance.
I predict more schisms in the church to accomidate the evolution of our human society.
The rigidity of the church is what makes people flock to wicca.
I, personally, wish that the church would lighten up a bit on the intolerance so that these wannabe pagans would go back to being Catholic.
They aren’t so much wiccan converts as escaping catholicism rigid hold on ‘the truth’. They just can’t stand hypocrisy and hate mongering in Christ’s name. Many give up a life of beautiful rituals in the church to re-discover the truth of God on their own. But they miss the church but cannot seem to swallow what is being dictated to them. They often stumble around looking for the ‘leader’ or ‘priest’ for guidance and find nothing but books or people selling ‘courses’. Its sad, truly sad. They are walking fodder with a long line of people waiting to fleece them of their money and their faith.
If they avoid or survive that journey then they discover that all the lies spoken to them about pagans are not true and then their faith in their church is further damaged.
But I’m sure I’ll get a bunch of comments about how I should stop watching charmed, stop sacrificing babies, stop worshipping satan and spreading my lies…which is just more hate mongering and fear tactics from the church which again pushes people further away.
And no…I won’t come in from the dessert. LOL.
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ricmat
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Paraphrasing GK Chesterton:
Tolerance is the virtue of a man (or woman) without convictions.
And my own spin:
Tolerance on a selected basis is OK. Tolerance of everything, or worship of tolerance itself is bad.
Tolerance is the virtue of a man (or woman) without convictions.
And my own spin:
Tolerance on a selected basis is OK. Tolerance of everything, or worship of tolerance itself is bad.
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pagan_soul
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**If the Wiccans who have given me this image of Wicca were not practicing Wicca correctly (or were practicing it differently from you - there are, after all, various forms of Wicca, right?) just say so. **
Wiccan is a term hijacked by anyone doing anything neopagan and nature oriented. Wicca, in my opinion, has gone the way of Jell-o and Band-aid, no longer refers to something specific.
In reality, the only ‘true’ wiccans are very few. To be initiated into a true Wiccan coven is very difficult and requires that someone be willing to teach you. Most people can’t handle the rules of the coven or the extended period of time it takes to finally be allowed in to the outer circle. AND most covens have no desire to bring in a new person as they prefer to keep small and with people they know. Wiccans are truly offended by non-initiated neo-pagans using their name.
It seems like as long as it has a reverence of nature and an alter in it then it is called wicca. So, that being said, anyone watching Charmed, buying a few flakey books and a wand, chalice and two candles can call themselves a wiccan.This is what many of you Catholics are found of pointing out and putting forward as an example of what Wicca is.
But also, anyone buying some good books could understand the bigger point and focus on not silly magick tricks to make you pass an exam but rather on deep, spiritual worship and development. So there is value in wading through the garbage and flakes to find the wisdom that is potentially to be found in paganims, and many other religions.
So no, the wiccans who have given you this image of Wicca were not practicing true Wicca correctly. They were practicing what is more accurately referred to as Eclectic Wicca or anything I feel like is okay wicca because real Wiccans don’t have the time, the resources or the desire to absorb them in. They don’t want them. They don’t need them.
Wiccan is a term hijacked by anyone doing anything neopagan and nature oriented. Wicca, in my opinion, has gone the way of Jell-o and Band-aid, no longer refers to something specific.
In reality, the only ‘true’ wiccans are very few. To be initiated into a true Wiccan coven is very difficult and requires that someone be willing to teach you. Most people can’t handle the rules of the coven or the extended period of time it takes to finally be allowed in to the outer circle. AND most covens have no desire to bring in a new person as they prefer to keep small and with people they know. Wiccans are truly offended by non-initiated neo-pagans using their name.
It seems like as long as it has a reverence of nature and an alter in it then it is called wicca. So, that being said, anyone watching Charmed, buying a few flakey books and a wand, chalice and two candles can call themselves a wiccan.This is what many of you Catholics are found of pointing out and putting forward as an example of what Wicca is.
But also, anyone buying some good books could understand the bigger point and focus on not silly magick tricks to make you pass an exam but rather on deep, spiritual worship and development. So there is value in wading through the garbage and flakes to find the wisdom that is potentially to be found in paganims, and many other religions.
So no, the wiccans who have given you this image of Wicca were not practicing true Wicca correctly. They were practicing what is more accurately referred to as Eclectic Wicca or anything I feel like is okay wicca because real Wiccans don’t have the time, the resources or the desire to absorb them in. They don’t want them. They don’t need them.
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pagan_soul
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Tolerance on a selected basis is OK. Tolerance of everything, or worship of tolerance itself is bad.
And this is where we get into the “sliding down the slippery slope to people having sex with dogs and children”.
Hogwash. No one is suggesting to worship tolerance of everything or itself. Are we really that black and white? Can’t I love someone and treat him well even though he’s not completely in agreement with your teachings?
Next it will slide into some discussion about Hilter.
And this is where we get into the “sliding down the slippery slope to people having sex with dogs and children”.
Hogwash. No one is suggesting to worship tolerance of everything or itself. Are we really that black and white? Can’t I love someone and treat him well even though he’s not completely in agreement with your teachings?
Next it will slide into some discussion about Hilter.
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hoosierdaddy
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I won’t be drawn into the baiting.
You gave a source. Here’s a source you are free to check out:
Romans 1:16-25
Note what it says about those who worship and serve the creature (and creation) rather than the Creator.
Happy new year.
P.S. is it just me or is Wicca tolerant of everyone/everything but Christians/Christianity?
You gave a source. Here’s a source you are free to check out:
Romans 1:16-25
Note what it says about those who worship and serve the creature (and creation) rather than the Creator.
Happy new year.
P.S. is it just me or is Wicca tolerant of everyone/everything but Christians/Christianity?
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ComradeAndrei
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As the other person pointed out, tolerance is the virtue of a man with no convictions.
The “numbers” are irrelevant, at one time practically the whole known world was Arian while the minority maintained Catholic orthodoxy. There will always be heresy and error and morality does not change. If the majority of people think that birth control, premarital sex, homosexuality is OK, and so forth-guess what? They’re still wrong.
That’s unfortunate, but people have free will.
There will come a time when people will not endure sound doctrine…
These people have bought into the lies and are roundly ignorant of the Church. They buy into secularism and modernism and indulge in sinful behavior because they think that truth is relative. They have embarked on the wide and easy road to perdition and we pray that they come back to the Truth.
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Image_of_God
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I have a quick question, not to derail the thread or anything, but is God really omnibenevolent? If he is, why does he let me do evil, when I really don’t want to?
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francesco920
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You are so tolerant that the slaughter of 40 million + innocent unborn children doesn’t seem to mean much to you.Wicca because it is so “tolerant” that anything goes-which appeals to the teenage angst and desire to thwart legitimate authority.
Interesting…I believe that religions like wicca are popular BECAUSE they are so tolerant of others. Tolerance is a beautiful thing. You point it out like its so awful. LOL.
Most people I talk to, Catholic or not, are tolerant of homosexuality and other religions. They also prefer to use birth control, have sex before marriage, don’t believe that the bible is to be take literally, and any number of things that are apparently against your teachings. The numbers are in favor of tolerance and against intolerance.
I predict more schisms in the church to accomidate the evolution of our human society.
The rigidity of the church is what makes people flock to wicca.
I, personally, wish that the church would lighten up a bit on the intolerance so that these wannabe pagans would go back to being Catholic.
They aren’t so much wiccan converts as escaping catholicism rigid hold on ‘the truth’. They just can’t stand hypocrisy and hate mongering in Christ’s name. Many give up a life of beautiful rituals in the church to re-discover the truth of God on their own. But they miss the church but cannot seem to swallow what is being dictated to them. They often stumble around looking for the ‘leader’ or ‘priest’ for guidance and find nothing but books or people selling ‘courses’. Its sad, truly sad. They are walking fodder with a long line of people waiting to fleece them of their money and their faith.
If they avoid or survive that journey then they discover that all the lies spoken to them about pagans are not true and then their faith in their church is further damaged.
But I’m sure I’ll get a bunch of comments about how I should stop watching charmed, stop sacrificing babies, stop worshipping satan and spreading my lies…which is just more hate mongering and fear tactics from the church which again pushes people further away.
And no…I won’t come in from the dessert. LOL.
Tolerance of evil is not a good thing, and this is shown by the dwindling birth rates of the West. Let me ask you something, back when Europe was Catholic, birth rates were high and one generation replaced the other so that the nation would remain young and healthy.
Now, let’s look at the Europe of today which pretty much has adopted your idea of tolerance. What do we see? We see that the European peoples are not even reproducing at a fast enough rate to replace their populations. In addition, the countries are aging at an alarming rate. In other words, you are so tolerant that the death of Western civilization means nothign to you.
Now, let’s think about this: in fifty years, when the majority of people in these countries are seniors and the few workers are paying nearly all of their income so welfare can be provided to those seniors, how easy will it be for social order to collapse and for the Muslims or somebody else to invade? Thanks to people like you, Western civilization is becoming so decadent and sick that it will not survive if you continue to fight against morality and God.
Truth cannot change. If that means we are rigid, then we are rigid. At least we are not hypocrites like you who say one minute that truth = A and the next minute that truth = B, with A and B being complete opposites. We know what truth is because God revealed it to us when he came to us as Jesus Christ, and therefore we are not going to change something that God made. Do you really believe it makes sense to say that the Church of God has to change to fit the beliefs of you, a mere human? Wouldn’t it make more sense to say that you, as a mere human, should change your beliefs to fit those of the Almighty Eternal God?
Truth is not based on the majority opinion. In Nazi Germany, most people blamed the Jews for their problems. Were they right?
Your kind has neither faith nor reason, and you and like-minded people are the driving force behind the suicide of the West. I only hope that you understant that you, not us, will be the ones most hurt by this. Open your heart to God! He loves you and wants you to have eternal life, but He has given you the choice between eternal life and eternal damnation. I hope and pray that you’ll come to your senses and let God into your life.
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Image_of_God
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Don’t answer that. I’ll just start a new thread.
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valient_Lucy
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I went to public school and I’ve never heard of that group.
But as long as the group is meeting before or after school, no one is required to attend, and other organizations or groups were permitted to meet on school grounds, what would be wrong with that?
If a wiccan group was allowed to meet at a public school, would that be a violation of church and state?
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