good news to all wiccans

[francesco920]

okay…i’m not gonna ask for physical proof cause thats been tired out already from one certain member not going to mention his name, but how do you prove that wicca is not good but pure unedited evil…theres been so many slurs such as witches have naked orgies, this was because some one do rituals in the nude aka:skyclad…and how can we honestly dance with something we dont even bealive in? what if i told you that you were in the midst lets say the goddess sif what would you shun it because you dont bealive in it? now another question what makes up my religion or your religion? its one word

You ask how you can dance with someone you don’t believe in, and yet it is quite simple to show you can with an example. Pretend for a moment that you are blind. Let’s say you are in a car with a person who has told you that he or she has black hair, but he or she actually has blonde hair. Now, you have no way of knowing on your own that you are in a car with a person who has blonde hair, and yet you are. Get it?

I’m sorry but I can’t understand your second question. Please rewrite it more clearly.

As to what makes up my religion, that would be the Truth revealed to us by the One and Only Almighty God. As to what makes up your religion, that would be a combination of beliefs gathered from different places and times and beliefs made up recently which have one purpose: pleasure. However, just because something feels good doesn’t mean it’s good, and Wiccan beliefs and rituals which do happen (there is testimony from former Wiccans on these forums and I encourage you strongly to read them) will kill your soul and lead you to eternal damnation, which is exactly what the Devil wants.

 

[LilyM]

so would it be dangerous to assume that there is more than one god? soo why would it be wrong to bealive in many gods or even a goddess…but you dont bealive in it all you do is bealive in the devil and god, and im sorry if alot of my posts dont make sense i’ve been trhough alot of oscar winning drama latley so my brains all scatterd. but it would be bad not to bealive in the devil…yet bealive in more than one god is also bad? im confused here from what i’ve been taught that the devil is GOD of the underworld so that would be 2 gods that you bealive in but stay with the god of the light? im sorry i dont mean to be rude or get you to question your faith theres jst alot of questions that i have but hardly ever get an answer

and to all who read this im still looking for that one answer

Since when is the devil the God of the underworld?

He absolutely is not - that would imply that he has as much power as God, which he doesn’t. Evil hasn’t quite as much power as it likes to think, since it is also subject to pride. So it is not as powerful as God, who is strong precisely because he is all self-giving and has no undue pride.

And no, it’s in fact wrong to deny the existence of the Devil, or the evil which he perpetrates, which is what you’ve done. We believe he exists, and evil exists. We DON’T believe that he is a god, or that it’s OK follow or worship him or do evil.

Hope that makes it clearer for you.

 

[cargopilot]

I just can’t get myself too worked up over the wiccans. Wicca is silly kid-stuff with no foundation or truth, providing all the sustenance of diet soda and Twinkies. It’s just what’s (semi) hot, and like any fad, it’ll pass.

While I’m sure not all wiccans are total loosers, this is the image I have, based on those I’ve met that consider themselves wiccans. The ones I know are lonely mis-fits, still living with their parents who can quote every line in Star Trek. Their entire persona surrounds some online war game. Wicca seems to be the next level in that lifestyle. Once a pitiful, so-called wiccan, hits one of life’s REAL problems, my guess is he/she will look to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit for real help. Or when they experience one of those rare events that can only be described as a miracle, they’ll thank God.

I will pray for them. I wouldn’t pay the wiccans too much mind. Just give them time, they’ll grow up sooner or later. Oh, and to the wiccans who will want to cast a spell on me, or construct a voodoo doll with my name on it, save your time. I have the body and blood of Jesus Christ coursing through my body, right now, and it’s more powerful than anything you could conjure up.

 

[the_phoenix]

Interesting…I believe that religions like wicca are popular BECAUSE they are so tolerant of others. Tolerance is a beautiful thing. …

The rigidity of the church is what makes people flock to wicca. …

Hmmmm, so first we are presented with allegations that claim Wicca is tolerant and the Catholic Church is rigid.

Fascinating then to read this further information on Wiccans presented in pagan_soul’s post from yesterday at 7:23 p.m.:

In reality, the only ‘true’ wiccans are very few. To be initiated into a true Wiccan coven is very difficult and requires that someone be willing to teach you. Most people can’t handle the rules of the coven or the extended period of time it takes to finally be allowed in to the outer circle. AND most covens have no desire to bring in a new person as they prefer to keep small and with people they know. Wiccans are truly offended by non-initiated neo-pagans using their name.

Most people can’t handle the rules of the coven? But here I thought they supposedly left the Church and flocked to Wicca because they wanted to get away from the rigidity of things like rules. And what rigid rules they must be, if “most people” can’t handle them.

Most covens have NO DESIRE to bring in new people, as they prefer to keep small and with people they know? So in other words, most covens are not tolerant of newcomers. And on top of it, Wiccans are truly offended by wanna-be’s who use their name? Why get so uptight about it? How does this fit in with tolerance?

Covens strike me as being the ultimate in rigid, intolerant cliques.

~~ the phoenix

 

[gallo]

so would it be dangerous to assume that there is more than one god? soo why would it be wrong to bealive in many gods or even a goddess…but you dont bealive in it all you do is bealive in the devil and god, im confused here from what i’ve been taught that the devil is GOD of the underworld so that would be 2 gods that you bealive in but stay with the god of the light?

Christianity does not believe in two Gods because the devil (as it’s refered to here) is not God at all. Not to be too picky, but the first thing is the spelling of “God” denotes the position. To define it, a god is a being or object that is worshiped and served (from a worship point of view). God with the big “G” is reserved only for the One True Almighty, which denotes that He above all is to be worshipped and severed. However, god with the little “g” can be attributed to anything else. Typically, this is used to refer to idols, which may include certain possessions or people. To a monotheist, especially Christians, gods are not acceptable due to the nature and command that the One God is to be worshipped above all and by all and to offer this to any other would put it on the same level, therefore attemping to make another equal to the One God.
So with that, the devil has powers and control over people and things to cause disorder, but not ultimate power. Ultimate and final power is reserved for the One God alone and will be demonstrated in the final judgement that the One God will pass when all disorder (including the devil) will be done away with. This does not mean that the One God does not have authority over disorder now, however. (Here we could get into the “why do bad things happen to good people”, but I’m sure there are threads and apologetics abounding on that) I guess it could be likened to a man who cuts down all the trees. This is the power of the devil. However, it is necessary for the man to have oxygen to live and he suffocates because he cut down all the trees. (Take this as an analogy. I’m not pushing or advocating nature spirits or worship or even tree-hugging, but it’s just an example…as incomplete and primitive that it is) This shows the Truth of the matter: What Is. God’s authority is so. Man can listen to the voice of disorder (the devil’s) and seek his own path and listen to his own judgement and “cut down all the trees”, kill their unborn, rob others, manipulate situations and people to their own interests, turn away when their neighbor is in need, and the list could go on. In the end, these things will show their own results. Or, one could listen to the Voice of Truth, which will explain what is. This will say don’t “cut the trees down because you need the balance and exchange to live”, but love life (your own and the life of others), when you see your neighbor in need help him, look out for the good of others and not just yourself, do to others as you would have them do to you, and again the list could go on. And when you take all of this and realize that it is not the result of happen chance, or bickering gods that resemble the image and personalities of mankind far too much, but come to realize that this is the result of One command, One heart’s desire, One being, One order, that’s where Christians come from. We see that life can only be a gift from One because of our need and dependence upon each other and the need for instruction on how to live justly with each other. But we don’t stop there in that we see that the One Who gives this command has the whole plan in mind and He is the Supreme Authority so He is worthy of worship and service by obedience in action, thought, and belief. And the Divine Command for order is personified and incarnated in the person of the Christ, Jesus, Who is a part of the One God. He came as far more than a guru or mage to teach us the way or just be an example. The One God came and walked among us to show us how to live without “cutting down the trees”, or living in disorder. We are reminded of how to live in accord with the Command of the One God by our commitment to Command and His continuing call for us to follow by His Spirt that was breathed in us at our creation. That is how, in a nutshell, He saves us: to be able to love and live lives as the One God intended in obedience. Every morning, as Christians, we wake to the rising of a new morning to renew our commitment to the One God to love and live as the Christ would, live our day as best as we allow our conscience to be guided by Him, and
stop at the stillness of night to reflect on our obedience (or disobedience) and pray to the One God for further guidance on how we may wake again to better worship and praise Him.

When it comes down to it, it’s all about Faith, how you will live it, and what will be the ending result when we are confronted with the Divine Command.

So that’s is for now. It’s a big paragraph so it would be easy for any attacks to hit it.

 

[dessert]

I’d like to ask you wiccans why are you on this forum? Sure you are non catholic but are you a religon?

You claim one thing and then you claim another.

As far as I am concerned and in my own opinion, you believe like we used to believe in santa clause an imaginary god .Or the easter bunny fun for the kids.

Your “gods” are imaginary and can do no harm or help to Jesus the Christ who lets you exist because we all have a free will.
Wicca did nothing to help a lady and offered her nothing except more confussion.

Your “gods” are imaginary and can’t do any more than the wizard of oz. Jesus the Christ has been resurected. and your "gods "don’t exist, so don’t wait for the toothfairy too long and

everyone has to pay a price, just try to get out of your worship and see what happens all those people who you think are loving and kind to you just see what happens.

SEE WHAT LOVE THE FATHER HAS GIVEN US, THAT WE SHOULD BE CALLED CHILDREN OF GOD; AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE (1 John 3; 1)

“All praise to you, Father, for your word of life and power! May we abide in your word so that we can bear great fruit for your kngdom.”

Jesus the Christ is the GOOD NEWS and His living Word is the GOOD NEWS and I wish for the wiccans to receive the GOOD NEWS and read more on this forum so maybe you will turn your hearts to the family of our one true God as I think you are seeking some kind of family but this family is only through the gatekeeper Jesus the Christ . dessert

 

[reborn_pagan]

okay if you read my post it will say what i have been TOLD…i used to be christian i went to church i still even have a bible.
and who knows maybe my gods arnt’ real, maybe yours arn’t or maybe your god created my gods who knows…and for the voodoo doll things THERE NOT REAL!!! sure theres dolls in voodoo but not the kind u stick needles in and it’ll hurt somebody…and im sorry that i was told that the devil was god of the underworld.

 

[jlr247]

I have never known a Wiccan, and I have only known maybe one or two Muslims. However, nearly everyone I associate with is an atheist. Right now, I’m more worried about atheism taking over than Islam or Wicca.

 

[gallo]

okay if you read my post it will say what i have been TOLD…i used to be christian i went to church i still even have a bible.
and who knows maybe my gods arnt’ real, maybe yours arn’t or maybe your god created my gods who knows…and for the voodoo doll things THERE NOT REAL!!! sure theres dolls in voodoo but not the kind u stick needles in and it’ll hurt somebody…and im sorry that i was told that the devil was god of the underworld.

We will pray for you. Hopefully that’s of value.
And perhaps with time, there will be understanding between us.

Peace of the Christ!

 

[pagan_soul]

Hmmmm, so first we are presented with allegations that claim Wicca is tolerant and the Catholic Church is rigid.

Fascinating then to read this further information on Wiccans presented in pagan_soul’s post from yesterday at 7:23 p.m.:

Most people can’t handle the rules of the coven? But here I thought they supposedly left the Church and flocked to Wicca because they wanted to get away from the rigidity of things like rules. And what rigid rules they must be, if “most people” can’t handle them.

Most covens have NO DESIRE to bring in new people, as they prefer to keep small and with people they know? So in other words, most covens are not tolerant of newcomers. And on top of it, Wiccans are truly offended by wanna-be’s who use their name? Why get so uptight about it? How does this fit in with tolerance?

Covens strike me as being the ultimate in rigid, intolerant cliques.

~~ the phoenix

Its no big leap of logic to realize that because Catholics have a lot of rules that there is the potential for people to find things to disagree with. Wiccan, in all its variations, has less rules. Less rules, less to disagree with. Its rather simple.

Also all wiccans I’ve talked to don’t judge someone for being homosexual, masturbating, using birth control, and other things that are considering legal in this country. The Wiccan faith is too loose to even have a set of any rules across the board. They can’t even agree to all use the three fold rule.
So in that regard yes, no matter how rigid some branches of Wicca are, they are still more tolerant purely because they have less rules. No stunning logic here.

So in other words, most covens are not tolerant of newcomers.

No. Most covens are filled with these angst ridden teenagers you keep talking about. Its the less then 1% I’m talking about.

Most people can’t handle the rules of the coven?

I think its more likely that these crusty, rigid covens can’t handle new people. They don’t want converts, don’t need them. These are very small groups of people who have been worshipping together for years. I think they’d like this whole Wiccan fad to blow over.

And on top of it, Wiccans are truly offended by wanna-be’s who use their name?

Yes imagine one part of a religion disagreeing with another part that claims to be part of it. Almost sounds like Christianity in that regard, doesn’t it?

 

[netmilsmom]

okay i dont want to burst your bubble but there isnt much of the great seperation of church and state…i’m homeschooled right now but i was in public school and there was this christian club called RUSH, and its in every single highschool that i know of in the county…and honestly what would be wrong with another relgion bieng the majority?

Does your mother know that you are using the computer to promote a “religion” made up in the 70’s for all those D&D fans who had a fantastic fantasy life but lived in their mommy’s basement?

Wiccans are Otakas without the “ecchi” if you get my drift.

 

[pagan_soul]

I’d like to ask you wiccans why are you on this forum? Sure you are non catholic but are you a religon?

I’m not Wiccan. I do consider Wicca a religion and so does this country.

You claim one thing and then you claim another.

No one can speak in behalf of Wicca as they have no centralized leader, its all personal, so of course it does seem that way, doesn’t it?

As far as I am concerned and in my own opinion, you believe like we used to believe in santa clause an imaginary god .Or the easter bunny fun for the kids.

I used to not think too, then I realized that God gave me a brain to question, to form opinions, to act of what I feel he thinks is right. If that concerns you then maybe you’re a little to outward focused.

Your “gods” are imaginary and can do no harm or help to Jesus the Christ who lets you exist because we all have a free will.

Interesting - call another religion’s Gods imaginary and then imply that they want to do harm to Jesus or even could…I don’t think you’d find a Wiccan who’d say that their gods can or want to harm Jesus.

Wicca did nothing to help a lady and offered her nothing except more confussion.

This sounds sad and I hope she gets help.

Your “gods” are imaginary and can’t do any more than the wizard of oz. Jesus the Christ has been resurected. and your "gods "don’t exist, so don’t wait for the toothfairy too long and

Other gods have been resurrected. I can believe that Jesus was too. Again, insulting another religion’s god’s says so more about you’re inner state then then it does about anyone else. I’m sorry that you’re so judgemental about other people. Saddens me.

everyone has to pay a price, just try to get out of your worship and see what happens all those people who you think are loving and kind to you just see what happens.

Dessert, most Wiccans are solitary. Its easy to ‘get out of your worship’ cause it involved one person. Unless you’re implying that it might be hard to leave Wicca and go back to church - which I’d have to agree with. Not sure if that has to do with some supernatural demon/satan thing or just plain loss of faith in Christainity. Some go back to other branches Christianity.

SEE WHAT LOVE THE FATHER HAS GIVEN US, THAT WE SHOULD BE CALLED CHILDREN OF GOD; AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE (1 John 3; 1)

Excellent quote from the bible. I have many quotes both from the bible and many other religious texts. Wonderful.

Dessert, you’re by far my favorite poster on this site. Have a wonderful day and take care of that woman you mentioned. She needs all the support you can give her.

 

[netmilsmom]

Also all wiccans I’ve talked to don’t judge someone for being homosexual, masturbating, using birth control, and other things that are considering legal in this country. The Wiccan faith is too loose to even have a set of any rules across the board. They can’t even agree to all use the three fold rule.

Most Wiccans that I know, and I mean know not just “talk to” don’t judge people who are homosexual, masturbating or using birth control (which is masterbating to most Wiccans) because that’s what they are doing.

They are refugees from their teen years, can’t hold jobs and mom supports them as they go from carreer choice to career choice.

The Wiccans of today are the Atheist/Libertarians of yesterday. Grown up spoiled children who can’t stand rules.
Trust me, I had a whole bunch of these little darlings hanging with my niece when she lived with me. She married one. He can’t deal with society either. In his thirties and D&D is his life.

Pity.

 

[netmilsmom]

Dessert, most Wiccans are solitary…

Not by choice…

 

[dessert]

I’m not Wiccan. I do consider Wicca a religion and so does this country.
Wicca is not a religion because you are not claiming a one dicvine being. And I hope you don’t .

No one can speak in behalf of Wicca as they have no centralized leader, its all personal, so of course it does seem that way, doesn’t it?
Yes it seems like you are plugging for Harry Potter movie!

I used to not think too, then I realized that God gave me a brain to question, to form opinions, to act of what I feel he thinks is right. If that concerns you then maybe you’re a little to outward focused.

What I feel God thinks is right? Well I guess God can get your opinion but He doesn’t need mine as He knows all. But I thank you for aknowledging Him. This is a surprise coming from yoou sorry!

Interesting - call another religion’s Gods imaginary and then imply that they want to do harm to Jesus or even could…I don’t think you’d find a Wiccan who’d say that their gods can or want to harm Jesus.

Yes that was silly to think you ccould harm but not really harming God just the impressionable sheep! And I really meant you are not really helping .

This sounds sad and I hope she gets help.

She checked herself into a hospital admitting she needs help for depression as if you know anything about depression she really needs structure in her life as she is so mad she doesn’t want to do anything but sit on her puter and play games or gamble. They say depression is anger turned inward so I do pray to God she can get help. thank you for your concern

Other gods have been resurrected. I can believe that Jesus was too. Again, insulting another religion’s god’s says so more about you’re inner state then then it does about anyone else. I’m sorry that you’re so judgemental about other people. Saddens me.

I am not trying to be judgy just to speak the truth. Yes I agree Jesus was more than ressurected.

Dessert, most Wiccans are solitary. Its easy to ‘get out of your worship’ cause it involved one person. Unless you’re implying that it might be hard to leave Wicca and go back to church - which I’d have to agree with. Not sure if that has to do with some supernatural demon/satan thing or just plain loss of faith in Christainity. Some go back to other branches Christianity.
Were you in Christianity?

Excellent quote from the bible. I have many quotes both from the bible and many other religious texts. Wonderful.

Dessert, you’re by far my favorite poster on this site. Have a wonderful day and take care of that woman you mentioned. She needs all the support you can give her.

Why am I your favorite? Because I am challenging ? or what my husband says your groups just like to argue or maybe you do see my point of view a little? dessert

 

[Dee_Dee_King]

I would have to say they are equally dangerous to the member, but islam is way more dangerous to Catholics.

in as much are some religions are better than others, i.e. contains some truth, some religions are worse. islam does believe in the God of abraham, issac and jacob. in general, they are morally conservative, ay every day and give alms to the poor. they are essentially a christian heresy.

wicca is essentially spiritual secularism. they have no concept of mortal sin or offending God. they don’t see creation as a gift as christians do. it invariably leads further into relativism and practical atheism, both damnable. it’s more dangerous than islam for one because they don’t believe in hell or the devil.

no matter how you cut it, wicca/neo-paganism is gay.

 

[Eden]

The link www.religioustolernce.com must have been spelled incorrectly by the OP. I tried the correct spelling www.religioustolerance.com and searched for Wicca and found this page on Wicca:

religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm

But I don’t see the article on the growth of Wicca on either religioustolernce or religioustolerance. Hopefully, the OP will return to provide a reference.

 

[kellie]

The link www.religioustolernce.com must have been spelled incorrectly by the OP. I tried the correct spelling www.religioustolerance.com and searched for Wicca and found this page on Wicca:

religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm

But I don’t see the article on the growth of Wicca on either religioustolernce or religioustolerance. Hopefully, the OP will return to provide a reference.

I asked him earlier in the thread to guide me through that link, as it is hard to navigate, and he never replied, skipped my post, and went ahead answering others.

 

[netmilsmom]

I asked him earlier in the thread to guide me through that link, as it is hard to navigate, and he never replied, skipped my post, and went ahead answering others.

It’s hard to get Wiccans to return to anything.
Once common sense is put into things, they lose it.

My Goddaughter/Niece is Wiccan because she believed that there must be more than one god. She found this out by listening to her friends and watching Xena, Warrior Princess. She turns 31 today.

I kid you not.

 

[KarenNC]

**in as much are some religions are better than others, i.e. contains some truth, some religions are worse. islam does believe in the God of abraham, issac and jacob. in general, they are morally conservative, ay every day and give alms to the poor. they are essentially a christian heresy. **

By these standards, both Christianity and Islam should be (and are, by many) considered to be Jewish heresies.

no matter how you cut it, wicca/neo-paganism is gay.

Would you please clarify how Wicca or Neopaganism (not equivalent terms, btw, nor interchangable religions) are homosexual?