Good passages in the Book of Mormon

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I went here to look it up. skepticsannotatedbible.com/BOM/alma/good_list.html
Because they had already done it. However, I do have some other comments to make.

Here is their “good stuff” in Mosiah

  1. *]It is good to be humble, patient, and full of love. 3:19
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  1. *]Love and serve one another. 4:15
    *]Help the poor and those in need. 4:16
    *]Do what you can to help others. 4:21
    *]Help the poor, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and care for the sick. 4:26
    *]Return what you borrow. 4:28
    *]Honour thy father and thy mother. 13:20
    *]Thou shalt not kill. 13:21
    *]Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not steal. 13:22
    *]Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. 13:23
    *]Mourn with those who mourn, and comfort those that need comfort. 18:9
    *]“Every man should love his neighbor as himself.” 23:15
    *]Forgive one another. 26:31
    *]There should be an equality among all men. 27:3
    *]Every man should esteem his neighbor as himself. 27:4
    *]This land should be a land of liberty where everyone has same rights and privileges. 29:32
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Here is their “good stuff” in Alma, the longest “book” within. Let’s see how Mormonism matches up with it.

  1. *]“There was a strict law … that there should not any man … persecute those that did not belong to the church.” 1:21
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  1. *]It is a good thing to help the poor and the sick. 1:27
    *]Help the poor, the hungry, the sick, and the less fortunate. 4:12
    *]Be humble. Don’t consider yourself to be better than others. 5:54
    *]Help the poor and the needy. 5:55
    *]Be gentle, humble, patient generous, and temperate. 7:23
    *]Lamoni declares (and the Book of Mormon seems to approve) that the people should be free. 21
    *]Freedom of religion is a good thing. 21:22
    *]“Now there was no law against against a man’s belief.” 30:7
    *]There was no law to enforce a particular religious belief. Everyone was free to believe, or not believe, whatever he or she liked. 30:9
    *]There were laws to punish those who commited crimes, but there was no law against a person’s belief. 30:11
    *]"This derangement of your minds comes because of the traditions of your fathers, which lead you away into a belief of things which are not so.–Korihor 30:16
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    *]Korihor warns against believing foolish traditions that were laid down by ancient priests in order to control people and keep them in ingnorance. 30:23
    *]“Ye say that this people is a free people. Behold, I say they are in bondage. Ye say that those ancient prophecies are true. Behold, I say that ye do not know that they are true.” – Korihor 30:24
    *]“Ye say that this people is a guilty and a fallen people, because of the transgression of a parent. Behold, I say that a child is not guilty because of its parents.” – Korihor 30:25
    *]Korihor says that the Nephites don’t know that Christ will come, or that he will be killed for the sins of the world. The leaders only teach these things to enslave the people and prevent them from living full, bold, and free lives. 30:26-27
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    *]Korihor accused the priests and teachers of leading the people astray after silly traditions while enriching themselves. 30:31
    *][Edited out]
    *]Korihor tells Alma that if he can just show him a sign to convince him that God exists, he will believe. 30:43
    *]The Zoramites wisely rejected the childish traditions of their fathers. 31:16
    *]Help the sick, the poor, and those in need. 34:28
    *]“Be filled with love.” 38:12
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    I am working on more, but we will see how this flies. Notice how many of these best parts are derived form the Bible.
 
Jerusha said:
Here is their “good stuff” in Alma, the longest “book” within. Let’s see how Mormonism matches up with it.

I am working on more, but we will see how this flies. Notice how many of these best parts are derived form the Bible.
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Jerusha, I’m really confused - what are you doing again with all of this???:confused:
 
All the amazing Fathers of the Church. All the stunning Catholic theologians. All the writings of the Saints. The culmination of 2000 years of TRUTH.

And you choose to read made up stuff? Rocks in hats??? :confused:

You need to have a serious conversation with your priest about this. It is NOT spiritually healthy.

I don’t care how nice it sounds.

Any truth you may find in there is Catholic Truth. It existed long LONG before the Mormons tried to call it their own. Go to the source. Go back home.

~Liza
 
Telstar suggested it. There are anti-Mormon passages in the BoM. These inconsistencies between LDS scripture and what they do, in my experience, are quite revealing. However, we also fall short. I think some are so busy with the-- busy-work that they forget, for example, works of mercy and problems with gossip. Again, I hope we should also observe these.

Yes, it is clearly made-up stuff, plagiarized from many sources.

Don’t worry-- I had a good time reading Iraneus’s discussion of Mormonism. 😃
 
This is really getting redundant but the Bible says love God with all your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself. If everyone did this there would be heaven on earth.
Say if the top 1% took care of the bottom 10% and everyone else is on their own.But the bottom people had to actually meet face to face with their benefactors like it was in the past so that behavior was part of the welfare contract.
The problem is that there is no correlation between behavior and gifts from the taxpayers.
 
We have the Bible.

Why are you proselytizing for the Mormons?

Read the Gospels and the Acts and the letters of the apostles.

Why are you trying to encourage people to read from the book of Mormon?

In giving links that is essentially and effectively what you are doing
 
If you are trying to show how Mormons don’t live up to what they teach and believe you can point a finger right at us. Imagine if all practicing Catholics lived how Jesus lived, imagine that for a moment.

If you are looking to debate and evangelize by understanding their book, I wish you the best and good for you. The one thing I concentrate on is the Trinity and being Christian and how the mormons are not. The next thing I hit them on is history of Joe Smith and where are the arch. evidence that there were the peoples the Book of Mormon state were here at the time of christs resurrection.

The Elders who come to your door are well scripted. As soon as you break from the script the back pedaling begins.
 
Actually, my suggestion was for a thread about various Mormon prophecies and their interpretations. We discussed how some of the writings in the BoM that they consider to refer to others, could actually be interpreted as more closely describing them, such as the story of Korihor being a representation of Joseph Smith, himself. I thought a thread about their specific prophecies from Joseph Smith and other LDS “prophets” and “apostles”, might be interesting to look at. I’m not exactly sure where Jerusha is heading with this one. :confused: 🤷
 
Is the part of the BOM where Joseph Smith (the plagiarizer and author, not the “translator”) calls the Catholic Church the “great and abominable church, which is the mother of abominations, whose foundation is the devil” and accuses her of “slaying the saints of God” and of desecrating the Scriptures by “taking away many plain and precious things” from them more of the “good passages”?

The only “good passages” in the Book of Mormon were plagiarized from the KJV.
 
Telstar said:
Actually, my suggestion was for a thread about various Mormon prophecies and their interpretations. We discussed how some of the writings in the BoM that they consider to refer to others, could actually be interpreted as more closely describing them, such as the story of Korihor being a representation of Joseph Smith, himself. I thought a thread about their specific prophecies from Joseph Smith and other LDS “prophets” and “apostles”, might be interesting to look at. I’m not exactly sure where Jerusha is heading with this one. :confused: 🤷
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Me either.:confused:
 
Jim_Dandy said:
Is the part of the BOM where Joseph Smith (the plagiarizer and author, not the “translator”) calls the Catholic Church the “great and abominable church, which is the mother of abominations, whose foundation is the devil” and accuses her of “slaying the saints of God” and of desecrating the Scriptures by “taking away many plain and precious things” from them more of the “good passages”?

The only “good passages” in the Book of Mormon were plagiarized from the KJV.
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I think your last line is the point Jerusha is trying to make, but the thread title certainly doesn’t indicate anything like that.

It’s ironic that you should mention the “great and abominable church”, because that was one of the things that sort of inspired this thread, and something that has always stuck in my craw since the first time I read it. I mentioned in another thread that the description seemed more like a self description of Mormonism, and that it could be interesting to look at some of their prophecies, and maybe do some interpretation of the BoM. I actually found a link on the LDS site that gives their interpretation of that prophecy, and it was amazing how you could easily see Mormonism in almost every point it made.
 
Reading the link, as it admits…the great whore church is a phrase that actually comes from a Mormon text rather than Biblical…and it also tries also to not include the Catholic Church…except at a certain point…we could be it…

Could be…in essence, they are admitting some speculation as to who is exactly the harlot, the whore church…very ugly…

Church is only in the context in Scriptures as Christ gave us: Upon this rock, Peter…Christ builds His church…

If anything…Babylon is the world, the flesh…
 
Jerusha said:
Here is their “good stuff” in Alma, the longest “book” within. Let’s see how Mormonism matches up with it.

I am working on more, but we will see how this flies. Notice how many of these best parts are derived form the Bible.
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Yeah, taken out of a Biblical context and put into the BoM context. This list takes them back out of the BoM context. Really has to be read in light of stories like Korihor. The double-thinking, and “nice” veneer.

Have the Danites started lurking around your place yet?
 
I will get to the abominable church this afternoon. Actually, I have recently discovered that they used more of Ethan Smith’s writings than just View of the Hebrews, which directly relates to that. I posted the skeptics analysis while listing the other passages I had already worked on, and looking for more.

The white horse prophecy is another-- why do Mormons think they will come to the rescue at a time when the “constitution is hanging by a thread” when they believe in theocracy and limit freedom of speech?

Then there is D & C 121, which links with my identification with Korihor. Holding people responsible for the sins of their ancestors. That is perhaps at the core of** my** difficulties with Mormonism.

As for the Danites, I am safe.
 
RebeccaJ said:
Yeah, taken out of a Biblical context and put into the BoM context. This list takes them back out of the BoM context. Really has to be read in light of stories like Korihor. The double-thinking, and “nice” veneer.

Have the Danites started lurking around your place yet?
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I’ve probably had a whole squad watching me for years. O.o

:eek:
 
KathleenGee said:
Reading the link, as it admits…the great whore church is a phrase that actually comes from a Mormon text rather than Biblical…and it also tries also to not include the Catholic Church…except at a certain point…we could be it…

Could be…in essence, they are admitting some speculation as to who is exactly the harlot, the whore church…very ugly…

Church is only in the context in Scriptures as Christ gave us: Upon this rock, Peter…Christ builds His church…

If anything…Babylon is the world, the flesh…
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In recent years, they’ve whitewashed their definition of the whore (at least to the public) because they wanted to appear to be more “mainstream”, so they could claim to be as Christian as any other church, which is pretty ironic when you look at the original JS ‘visions’ that called all of Christianity abominable to God. In the past it was taught that all of Christianity that was the “abominable church”, but more specifically, the Catholic Church was the actual “whore” that supposedly removed “plain and precious things” from the scriptures, and the other denominations were her “harlot daughters”. If you read the actual ‘scriptures’ in the BoM that those quotes are taken from, it will most likely raise your BP, at least a smidgeon. :rolleyes:
 
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