Good video about the TLM and why she attends

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I tend not to watch videos like that, as oftentimes they are less of a defense of the TLM and insults towards the Novus Ordo. Some of us (such as myself) actually prefer the Novus Ordo (and I prefer Byzantine liturgy to that). Not saying that’s what she is going to do, but I have reason to be weary of clicking the video.
 
She does it in a very passive aggressive, veiled attack sort of way. :roll_eyes:

She keeps saying, “Thisnis how I feel and it’s OK if you don’t but this is why the Novus Order is not as reverent as the Latin Mass…”. Fine - count me among those who disagree.

I have an appreciation of both forms, but lady, you’re just repeating the same old talking points that have been raised ad nauseum by those who do disparage the Ordinary Form of the Mass. (my 2¢)
 
I think that rather than Catholics trying to figure out ways to entice people to attend their particular favorite form of the Mass, it would be better if we just all joined forces and tried to figure out ways to demonstrate to people by our lives why being Catholic is God’s purpose for all mankind since the beginning of the universe that He created.

I love being Catholic! I love knowing Jesus as my Savior and Lord and receiving Him in the Holy Communion! I’m sure most of you do, too! Why can’t we just go with that instead of reinforcing non-believers’ and fallen-away Catholics’ stereotypes of “religious people” as constantly involved in in-fighting and never-ending arguments and conflicts over things that really don’t matter to God and the Church?

A valid Mass is the Mass, no matter what form.
 
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I sometimes think it would be better if once in a while, we deliberately chose to attend the Mass that we DON’T like and striving to ignore the things we don’t like about it, and instead, deliberately seeking things about that Mass that bring us closer to God and His Church.

We spend so much of our lives seeking what pleases us personally–it would do us good to spend a little time doing things that are hard for us and that don’t please us.

As long as the Mass is valid, all is good.
 
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It’s possible some Catholics believe there is an enemy within our ranks to be weeded out, and blindly holding hands to sing kumbaya to the world is something we can do but only after the crack in the temple letting in satan’s smoke is fixed.
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Excuse my denseness–it’s late and I’ve been at work for 14 hours straight with only a few breaks (that included checking out CAF).

Is this a serious comment, or are you being facetious? Like I said, I’m pretty lame-brained at the moment. Thanks for clarifying.
 
Peeps said:
Is this a serious comment, or are you being facetious?
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It was a serious a comment, apologies for the confusion. It was meant to address the divide you mentioned among Catholics regarding preferred forms of Mass. For example I personally see it as Catholics debating objectively better ways to practice the Faith, assuming as the Pope did after V2 concluded that some malicious spirit entered the temple through a crack. The debate is constructive even if it appears to lack unity.
 
Lavenderson said:
It was a serious a comment, apologies for the confusion. It was meant to address the divide you mentioned among Catholics regarding preferred forms of Mass. For example I personally see it as Catholics debating objectively better ways to practice the Faith, assuming as the Pope did after V2 concluded that some malicious spirit entered the temple through a crack. The debate is constructive even if it appears to lack unity.
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So…if the malicious spirit entered the temple through a crack, what happened when the windows of the Church were opened wide?

I’m still not sure what you’re saying here. It sounds to me like you’re saying that everything in the Church was good as long as the Latin Mass was the only option in the Latin Rite, but once the “new Mass” was authorized, the Church began falling apart. Am I understanding you correctly? It would be helpful if you just came out and said what you mean in plain language, without any analogy of a “malicious spirit.” I’m not sure whether you are referring to a real “spirit” ( a demon?), or the priests and parishioners becoming malicious.
 
It’s not about the form of the Mass. It’s about receiving Jesus in his word and in the Eucharist. Thus empowered, the laity and clergy should go forth to proclaim the Gospel to a hurting, lost humanity.
 
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Well she has some good points definitely as there is in some churches a lack of reverence… well I say some masses to be more exact. She is also right that some NO masses are more reverent than others. I’d add that some parishes effect a condition of reverence more so than others too. In our parish our sung mass on Sunday is a more reverent mass probably in keeping with the age and style of our parish and much of the mass is sung in Latin still by this I mean Pater Noster, Agnus Dei etc. but I see that as our new parish priest is not as familiar with this as the previous one was it is likely to fade out, but continues for now due to largely the dedication of our choir.

I do agree with Peeps also as the ‘annoyances’ of others are our sanctification. I’d love silence to pray in before and after mass and no one shuffling about with plastic bags or people talking, but these annoyances can be offered to God as an acceptance of his divine will in humility that I must change my will to align with His. This is my parish, the priest with the speech defect who no one can hear unless he speaks slowly, those with hearing problems who speak too loudly so it’s even harder to hear the priest, the child with issues who runs around with headphones on - his worried mother etc. These things teach me to love my neighbours and pray for them instead of getting exasperated and to laugh at myself. But then again, I am blessed enough to go to week day mass where it is quieter. I do feel a call to a greater reverence myself, I just dont feel it’s to another mass. I have eyes for God in this mass, once it starts more often than not all the dross of human noise etc. isn’t even noticed. It’s like you wouldn’t notice a torchlight in the bright sunshine of a summer day. You can look at the torch if you wanted too but that seems a little daft to me. I am concentrating on all the sunlight in my mass. But I do think it’s up to what a person feels called to by the Holy Spirit. I am trying to help people be a little more reverent in my parish if I can along with some friends. So we all do what the Holy Spirit calls us to do, just as this lady did. I’m for whatever leads us closer to God.
 
I know for myself I can definitely sympathize with the video and I think there are certain aspects of the TLM that draw many people to it. Naturally, when asked why a person prefers the TLM, many of the reasons that are given are unintentionally taken as a derogatory claim against the NO.

I think many people share a similar belief to the woman in the video. However, this line of reasoning isn’t generally received well. Because I’ve often heard the claim that others make and it usually sounds something like “…well the Church in its wisdom has allowed for it now…”

So the issue then is no longer about what is reverent and proper, but what is permissible. Which aren’t the same thing.
 
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I know for myself I can definitely sympathize with the video and I think there are certain aspects of the TLM that draw many people to it. Naturally, when asked why a person prefers the TLM, many of the reasons that are given are unintentionally taken as a derogatory claim against the NO.

I think many people share a similar belief to the woman in the video. However, this line of reasoning isn’t generally received well. Because I’ve often heard the claim that others make and it usually sounds something like “…well the Church in its wisdom has allowed for it now…”

So the issue then is no longer about what is reverent and proper, but what is permissible. Which aren’t the same thing.
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Yeah. I agree.

I love a very well done OF Mass. I have no issues with the Ordinary Form. When they use beautiful vestments, beautiful sacred music, incense, etc; I love it. But I rarely find a well done OF Mass outside my Cathedral.

When I’m at the Cathedral for an OF mass, I am at peace and can pray the mass and my mind is where it should be.

But many times, when I’m at my local parish or one of the surrounding parishes, everything is so casual, that I find myself daydreaming or worse getting frustrated.

However, when I attend the FSSP parish (which far closer to my house than the Cathedral) I have that same feeling at the Cathedral.

So I’m starting to attend the FSSP parish more and more. Also, when the FSSP pastor preaches, his homilies are outstanding. I actually leave his homily having learned something new. So I love that. It’s like attending mass at the Cathedral with our Archbishop; when he preaches, I learn something too. My local pastor (OF mass) gives every week a very moving homily; he has powerful words. But it’s more motivational and spiritual, I rarely learn anything new. But with the FSSP Pastor (not the FSSP assistant priest) & our Archbishop (Archbishop Chaupt) I’m learning something new almost every time they preach.

So again, I don’t have an issue with the the Ordinary Form. I just have issues when priests only put minimum effort into the mass & their homilies.

BTW - I want to make something clear. If we never had the new mass after Vatican II, the same priests today who give lackluster homilies and masses would still be doing a subpar job in Latin. I know this. The real reason why TODAY (but not before Vatican II) the Latin Mass is far reverent is because the priests who love to celebrate it, or who are devoted to it, love liturgy. They love sacred music, etc. So because they love it, it comes out in their masses. But I’ve been to OF masses with priests who love to celebrate the EF and their OF masses are beautiful and reverent too. I always say, if more priests in America would celebrate the OF with reverence and beauty (and less like a protestant service) there would be less demand for the Latin mass.
 
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