Good Works, or Faith Alone?

[Marc_Anthony]

…And why do you believe these books? There is a Gospel of Mary Magdalene and a Gospel of Thomas out there. There are also several uncanonical epistles floating around. Why don’t you believe them? Why not the Book of Mormon or Watchtower? Why these specific books?

 

[Marc_Anthony]

So you claim a passage of the Bible to be unimportant? And again, why should I believe your interpretation to be accurate over anybody else’s?

 

[activeChristian]

…And why do you believe these books? There is a Gospel of Mary Magdalene and a Gospel of Thomas out there. There are also several uncanonical epistles floating around. Why don’t you believe them? Why not the Book of Mormon or Watchtower? Why these specific books?

Because from the earliest times, as has been shown, the books we have were accepted as inspired by Christians the rest weren’t. It would not matter if the were councils or not God would still preserve His Word

 

[activeChristian]

So you claim a passage of the Bible to be unimportant? And again, why should I believe your interpretation to be accurate over anybody else’s?

No I claim your interpretation to be of no consequences. You all worry about working your way to Heaven, we don’t.

 

[Marc_Anthony]

Not true at all. There was a TON of debate during I believe (don’t quote me on this) the Council of Nicaea over which books were supposed to be Canonical or not. Just as an example, I know there was a ton of debate over the second letter of Peter. Why do oyu believe that? And nowadays it is a generally held opinion that Paul didn’t write Hebrews, yet it’s considered a Pauline Epistle. Why do you think Hebrews is inspired Scripture? There is also a fair amount of evidence that the Apostle John did not, as was originally believed, write the Gospel According to John. Why do you believe that? And anyway, why are other Christians’ judgements necessarily right?

 

[Marc_Anthony]

So, why is my interpretation of no consequence? One of us has to be right. How do you know it’s you?

 

[TriuneUnity]

Not true at all. There was a TON of debate during I believe (don’t quote me on this) the Council of Nicaea over which books were supposed to be Canonical or not.

The canon was never addressed at Nicea.

 

[activeChristian]

Not true at all. There was a TON of debate during I believe (don’t quote me on this) the Council of Nicaea over which books were supposed to be Canonical or not. Just as an example, I know there was a ton of debate over the second letter of Peter. Why do you believe that? And nowadays it is a generally held opinion that Paul didn’t write Hebrews, yet it’s considered a Pauline Epistle. Why do you think Hebrews is inspired Scripture? There is also a fair amount of evidence that the Apostle John did not, as was originally believed, write the Gospel According to John. Why do you believe that? And anyway, why are other Christians’ judgments necessarily right?

That’s nice

 

[activeChristian]

So, why is my interpretation of no consequence? One of us has to be right. How do you know it’s you?

Because you have bought into an institution regardless of the Truth you will always side with them

 

[Loboto-Me]

From what I’ve been reading, Luther changed the bible in that section because he took a literalist view (heretical) and not the literal view as it was supposed to be.

askthepriest.org/askthepriest/2005/11/the_heresy_of_l.html

 

[Marc_Anthony]

I have bought into the body of Christ. Christ is her (the Church’s) head and she is divinely inspired.

You have decided that you can decide the truth yourself. If it were true that humans could decide the truth on their own, their would be one denomination. But there isn’t. You are preaching moral relativism; you look at the book and interpret it the way YOU see it as opposed to the way God wants you to see it. The only way for us to know the Truth is to have a set of teachings that is infallible, meaning that all must believe in them since they are true. Hence, the Catholic Church.

 

[Marc_Anthony]

Council of Nicaea-Whatever, I was wrong on the name of the Council. The point is, there was a lot of initial debate over the Canon of Scriptures, and saying “That’s nice” doesn’t change the fact that by your definition of Christ being the Truth you have no reason to believe in nay books not written or officially sanctioned by Him. Saying “That’s nice” merely shows your lack of respct toward my arguement. It does not refute it and is quite rude.

 

[Jimmy_B]

No it wasn’t. That is a myth, the word alone was added for clarification not for nefarious reasons on to the next myth

For “clarification”? It completely changes the meaning of the verse and makes an otherwise Catholic verse, Protestant and this is not the only example like this, where this happens in the KJV, especially the in the earlier editions…I have older KJV’s and newer NIV’s, based on the KJV and there have been all sorts of corrections in the last 30 years. John 3:16, being one of the most famous…yet least discussed among Protestants, where “might not parish” (Catholic) was changed to “Shall not parish” (Protestant)… Was that for “clarification” purposes as well? There have been entire books written discussing this problem. This is clearly, just another attempt to try prove the Protestant/Calvin error of “predestination”.

 

[Reuben_J]

No works are good enough

Then why quote Acts2:38? You are contradicting what you quoted.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Marc Anthony, do you realize you posted like seven or eight posts in a row replying to your own posts? Give the rest a chance to chime in bruthah!

So, why is my interpretation of no consequence? One of us has to be right. How do you know it’s you?

 

[Marc_Anthony]

Ha! Well, to be fair, they were all short posts. I was responding to various points brought up. Each point warranted a seperate thread as I saw it/thought of something, as opposed to editing it all into one thread, I guess.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I thought you were trying to set a record!

Ha! Well, to be fair, they were all short posts. I was responding to various points brought up. Each point warranted a seperate thread as I saw it/thought of something, as opposed to editing it all into one thread, I guess.

 

[diana_leslie]

I have heard it said “We are saved by grace through faith, working in love.” It is grace that saves us. CCC 1996: “Our justification comes from the grace of God.”

I actually think that many Protestants agree with us on this.

As far as Faith and Works, we believe similar things in different ways. Catholics believe in Faith and Works; Protestants believe in Faith alone, but Works are what prove your Faith. If someone says he knows Jesus but does nothing to show it, did he really know Him in the first place?

As Catholics, we need to make it clear that it is God’s grace that saves us; we cannot do it on our own. Grace is “free and undeserved” (CCC 1996). God gives us the grace to first come to Faith and then to do good Works in His name.

 

[Loboto-Me]

Our posts look kind of strange if someone new comes in to read considering we look like we’re debating against stuff that wasn’t said. Someone’s posts are all gone.

 

[Marc_Anthony]

Interesting…all of activechristian’s posts were removed.

I do hope nobody claims it was because they didn’t want him to win the debate or anything silly like that. I don’t think he was convincing anybody.

I’m not accusing anybody but I notice that on other posts when the posts of a major opposition voice are removed for whatever reason people immediately start claiming it’s because the Catholic Church doesn’t want them to win the debate.

I thought we were doing fine debate-wise. It’s subjective, but I thought we were winning. And if we weren’t, we were holding our own quite well I thought.