Good Works, or Faith Alone?

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Good works with faith.

Look at all these bible verses that say faith is nothing with out works. We we all be justified by WORKS.

James2:24
Heb. 11:6
2 Cor. 10:15
Rom. 2:13.
Acts. 10:35
Eph. 6:8
1 Peter 2:7-8
John 3:36
Phil. 4:17
 
OKKK so what you are saying that priests and pastors who say they have FAITH but abuse children are saved??? Just because they are proclaiming to have faith that means they are saved right?thats what you believe in
No, we can know them by their fruits. If they were truly saved by true Faith they would not do that
 
Good works with faith.

Look at all these bible verses that say faith is nothing with out works. We we all be justified by WORKS.

James2:24
Heb. 11:6
2 Cor. 10:15
Rom. 2:13.
Acts. 10:35
Eph. 6:8
1 Peter 2:7-8
John 3:36
Phil. 4:17
Before man, not God. There is nothing we can do to be saved
 
No, we can know them by their fruits. If they were truly saved by true Faith they would not do that
can you please explain. Do you think that Protestant Pastors who have FAITH but batter their wife, are they saved? can you answer that with a Yes or No so I can udnerstand you better
 
No, we can know them by their fruits. If they were truly saved by true Faith they would not do that
No, you are right. If they were truly “saved” they would do good works, not evil works.

If one is saved and is not moved to perform work of charity because I love, then his faith is dead!👍

I am sure this has been mentioned already, Abraham was justified by faith, he proved it by offering Isaac in sacrifice, the Lord stopped him and the boy was spared; but God requested him to prove his faith in God. Pretty simple to me.
 
We are told in Romans, Galatians, Colossians, and elsewhere by Paul that the Law was nailed to the Cross along with its legal claims against us. We cannot possibly do any work that would merit our redemption or put us right with Christ Jesus. He is the Lamb of God, made to be sin who knew no sin. He buried death and sin on the Cross. How can Paul tell us that works yield nothing but boasting and that works should come as evidence of a lively faith but not as the mode in which we are saved and still live in a works-oriented mentality? Paul tells us we are “credited” with righteousness. How can we be credited with righteousness through the vehicle of faith and expect that our own works can save us? What works can be pleasing to God to reverse the formula he has made and put us back on the Law-based merit system? If a person has strong faith, good works and sanctification spring forth. But those works and that good behavior does not save. If it did, then there would be no need for the Cross. So why are we so focused on our own goodness, our own works, our own brownie points, when we should constantly be doing good works in reaction to our justification, not to try and earn it? We are trying to put ourselves on a par with the work Jesus did. It’s not doable.
 
You do know that Catholics consider fruits a synonym of works, right?

So you’re saying that true faith involves works.
 
can you please explain. Do you think that Protestant Pastors who have FAITH but batter their wife, are they saved? can you answer that with a Yes or No so I can udnerstand you better
No
 
We are told in Romans, Galatians, Colossians, and elsewhere by Paul that the Law was nailed to the Cross along with its legal claims against us. We cannot possibly do any work that would merit our redemption or put us right with Christ Jesus. He is the Lamb of God, made to be sin who knew no sin. He buried death and sin on the Cross. How can Paul tell us that works yield nothing but boasting and that works should come as evidence of a lively faith but not as the mode in which we are saved and still live in a works-oriented mentality? Paul tells us we are “credited” with righteousness. How can we be credited with righteousness through the vehicle of faith and expect that our own works can save us? What works can be pleasing to God to reverse the formula he has made and put us back on the Law-based merit system? If a person has strong faith, good works and sanctification spring forth. But those works and that good behavior does not save. If it did, then there would be no need for the Cross. So why are we so focused on our own goodness, our own works, our own brownie points, when we should constantly be doing good works in reaction to our justification, not to try and earn it? We are trying to put ourselves on a par with the work Jesus did. It’s not doable.
Great post!
 
IF they were truly saved by TRUE FAITH!!!

What is true faith to you? What is it composed of?

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A Faith in Christ where He comes and changes us. If the person is not changed than they are not saved, a Christian could not be what he/she once was.
 
But not in addition to Faith, Works do not save.
The Catholic church empasizes on Faith demonstrated by works. It has never taught that work alone saves.

as I said earlier… It eventually boils down to:

TRUE FAITH= FAITH WITH WORKS

For PRotestants: TRUE faith (which shows good works) saves!!
For Catholics: FAITH with good works saves!

Its really the same!
 
The Catholic church empasizes on Faith demonstrated by works. It has never taught that work alone saves.

as I said earlier… It eventually boils down to:

TRUE FAITH= FAITH WITH WORKS

For PRotestants: TRUE faith (which shows good works) saves!!
For Catholics: FAITH with good works saves!

Its really the same!
As I said before it is not, no works can save one at all. Only Christ save
 
The Catholic church empasizes on Faith demonstrated by works. It has never taught that work alone saves.

as I said earlier… It eventually boils down to:

TRUE FAITH= FAITH WITH WORKS

For PRotestants: TRUE faith (which shows good works) saves!!
For Catholics: FAITH with good works saves!

Its really the same!
Sometimes I get bored with this, it’s the same thing day in and day out.🤷
 
We consider the “works” hope and charity. Hope and charity saves.

How can you say ONLY faith saves if it is not even the greatest of the three? That is charity.

Works and faith are two sides to the same coin. Catholics and Protestants agree on this. The difference is the way we say it.
 
A Faith in Christ where He comes and changes us. If the person is not changed than they are not saved, a Christian could not be what he/she once was.
yeah! sure but what is your basis of change? change in what?How has Christ changed you? Shouldnt that be demonstated in your actions,words,how you treat people,how you make Christ the center of your life,praying (these are all works)
 
As I said before it is not, no works can save one at all. Only Christ save
NO WROKS CAN SAVE ONE AT ALL! and what is the CATHOLIC CHURCH teaching may I asked you? Does the Catholic Church teach that we are saved by WORKS ALONE???
 
Not all people who have faith produce Good works…
As you have seen in the chuch, bad priests have faith too but they dont have good works…

so what the catholic church is saying is that aside from FAITH which is very IMPORTANT , it should also be demosntrated with good works.

having faith,praying a lot but doing bad things to others is being like a hypocrite. That is dead faith because you are not showing Jesus’ teachings to your neighbor.
If a person or bad priest says they have faith and do not produce good works, does that person really have faith? Their faith is dead, not living, can we even go as far as saying non-existent?

And what I am getting from your second statement, is that in order to prove to everyone you have a true faith, you need to make sure you are doing good works. So if I have faith and I walk an old lady across the street because I am need to validate my faith outwardly, but only did it so that everyone can see that I have faith, isn’t that just the same as doing nothing at all even though a good work was completed?

I think the difference is here, Luther says that if you have been justified by grace through faith, then good works are a natural byproduct, but what I hear from you is that we are justified by grace through faith and you better be having some good works where we can see them or the whole deal is off.
 
We consider the “works” hope and charity. Hope and charity saves.

How can you say ONLY faith saves if it is not even the greatest of the three? That is charity.

Works and faith are two sides to the same coin. Catholics and Protestants agree on this. The difference is the way we say it.
Paul was not speaking of Salvation. Works will never, ever save one
 
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