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mary_bobo said:
Not until Hillary nominates SC justices that will find laws that are not in the Constitution (even though it is not their place to make laws.)
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Maybe they’ll dispense with it altogether. After all, Justice Ginsburg considers the Constitution outmoded, and she was appointed by Bill Clinton. Why would we expect Hillary’s appointees to be any different.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Maybe they’ll dispense with it altogether. After all, Justice Ginsburg considers the Constitution outmoded, and she was appointed by Bill Clinton. Why would we expect Hillary’s appointees to be any different.
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What a thought.:eek:
 
Ridgerunner said:
Not many decades ago, the parties did work together a great deal. Differences have arisen that are intractable, like abortion on demand. There’s no compromise possible on that, or at least very little room for it.

There’s not much room to compromise between supporting terrorist groups passively, and fighting them with a will. There’s not much room between giving tax relief to the middle class and soaking them with still more income transfers.

Neither party is going to implode or split. One is going to win the next election and one won’t. If Hillary Clinton wins the primary, the left will coalesce around her like so many bees surrounding the queen bee.
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The major issues that have prevented Democrats and Republicans from working together are economic in nature, particularly budgets and taxes. The parties appear to disagree strongly on abortion, but that hasn’t locked up decision-making in Washington or in state capitols for the most part.
 
adowcday said:
The major issues that have prevented Democrats and Republicans from working together are economic in nature, particularly budgets and taxes. The parties appear to disagree strongly on abortion, but that hasn’t locked up decision-making in Washington or in state capitols for the most part.
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IMO the Dems want to raise taxes and expand the welfare system, even though we are in debt up to our eyeballs. At some point the feds are going to have to rein in spending. But that doesn’t buy votes.
 
Are cultural conservatives going to rally against Donald Trump since he appears to be somewhat moderate on family issues?
 
anon67074017 said:
Are cultural conservatives going to rally against Donald Trump since he appears to be somewhat moderate on family issues?
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IF Donald Trump becomes the nominee, I suspect most will hope he wins over her even if they are not overly enthusiastic about him because if there is a choice between him and Hillary Clinton… he’s not as bad as her on issues like abortion for example.
 
_Abyssinia said:
IF Donald Trump becomes the nominee, I suspect most will hope he wins over her even if they are not overly enthusiastic about him because if there is a choice between him and Hillary Clinton… he’s not as bad as her on issues like abortion for example.
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I would hope the same as well.
 
anon67074017 said:
Are cultural conservatives going to rally against Donald Trump since he appears to be somewhat moderate on family issues?
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Aren’t they trying and losing? I mean, no one likes Trump around here and I think most are cultural conservatives, but Trump keeps winning.
 
Tomdstone said:
If Trump keeps winning, it means that a whole lot of people like what he has been saying.
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That may be true, but have any of them stopped to think just how he might achieve what he says. I like more specifics in my sound bites.
 
_Abyssinia said:
IF Donald Trump becomes the nominee, I suspect most will hope he wins over her even if they are not overly enthusiastic about him because if there is a choice between him and Hillary Clinton… he’s not as bad as her on issues like abortion for example.
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I’m not a single issue voter (that probably sounds terribly trite) but regardless … is it possible for Donald Trump to do more damage to the prolife movement than Hillary Clinton?
 
Peter_J said:
I’m not a single issue voter (that probably sounds terribly trite) but regardless … is it possible for Donald Trump to do more damage to the prolife movement than Hillary Clinton?
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Good question. He’s already dealt it some significant blows.

If women’s rights issues are played BIG in the run-up to the GE (and I believe they will be played BIG), I think Trump will harm both his candidacy and that movement significantly.
 
I’m reluctant to link to an article for the Dem side, but I figure we’re going to hear this view in any case,
If they want to see how Trump has done it, they need look no further than the GOP’s own history. His success has come largely by using the same tactics to appeal to working class voters that more mainstream candidates in past elections have used and adapting them to the reality-TV era.
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For decades, Republican candidates effectively wielded “wedge” issues …
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Trump turns GOP dog whistles into bullhorns: Our view
 
mary_bobo said:
have any of them stopped to think just how he might achieve what he says
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In 2008, Paul Krugman wrote, “Most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody … I’m not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality.” Both Obama and Hillary had similar policy positions, so there was no policy basis for Obama’s supporters demanding “their hero or nobody.”

In 2016, Trump’s “cult of personality” support is also coming in advance of any policy specifics/achievements. Trump is the Republicans’ Obama.
 
Erich said:
In 2008, Paul Krugman wrote, “Most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody … I’m not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality.” Both Obama and Hillary had similar policy positions, so there was no policy basis for Obama’s supporters demanding “their hero or nobody.”

In 2016, Trump’s “cult of personality” support is also coming in advance of any policy specifics/achievements. Trump is the Republicans’ Obama.
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I do see some similarities (but not with respect to prospects of winning the WH).
 
Erich said:
…thus giving rise to the Republicrats and Democans
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When the country began, there was a party called the Democratic Republicans, and it could be that if the GOP implodes, the system could recondense into itself.

ICXC NIKA
 
Crossbones said:
Aren’t they trying and losing? I mean, no one likes Trump around here and I think most are cultural conservatives, but Trump keeps winning.
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Some cultural conservatives straight out vote for Trump. Others are trying to defeat him with Ted Cruz.
 
A little factoid I just heard on MSNBC (hopefully I’ll get the details right): when Trump began his campaign, 23% of Republicans polled said they could see themselves supporting him; but now the number is at 61%.
 
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