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The party decided to forgo election to save money, or that’s what they say. It was decided in August 2015.
Honestly, in years past, the nomination had been decided by mid-March. The CO GOP probably figured that the nomination would be all but wrapped up by the time the contest got to them. As much as Trump wants to claim a “yuge” conspiracy here, there is none. BTW, CO (along with many other states) has a separate primary for non-Presidential positions (US Reps and Senators and state government offices).
 
This whole Colorado thing bothers me. Did the citizen give up their right to vote or what? What the heck happened in this state. I’m not a Trump supporter, but this just doesn’t make sense to me.
States set up their own rules for primaries and in the case of Trump, this was decided months before he announced he was running. Now he calls “foul”. Let’s face it, having never been involved in politics as a candidate, he did not realize the ins and outs of the game. He did not have campaign professionals running his campaign. That is no way to seek the presidency.
 
Honestly, in years past, the nomination had been decided by mid-March. The CO GOP probably figured that the nomination would be all but wrapped up by the time the contest got to them. As much as Trump wants to claim a “yuge” conspiracy here, there is none. BTW, CO (along with many other states) has a separate primary for non-Presidential positions (US Reps and Senators and state government offices).
Keep in mind that trump has won more than romney at this point. The only reason this is not wrapped up yet is not because trump hasn’t won enough but because the party is bent on kicking him out. Cruz and Kasich have no path of winning but they stay in.

If it was bush with trumps numbers, all the ducks would have been in a row a long time ago.
 
States set up their own rules for primaries and in the case of Trump, this was decided months before he announced he was running. Now he calls “foul”. Let’s face it, having never been involved in politics as a candidate, he did not realize the ins and outs of the game. He did not have campaign professionals running his campaign. That is no way to seek the presidency.
For goodness sake, it’s not even allowed to complain anymore? I get it you think the system is legal, but does that mean no one is allowed to complain? Even if the system was set up in August not specifically to deter trump, what Colorado did with the tweet and paper goofs and all delegates going to cruz was so fabulous that trump can’t even complain? Since when has vocing protests become such a disqualifying thing to do? Hillary can complain about republicans being anti women; cruz can complain about drudge attacking him; and yet trump is just supposed to be quiet.

That’s mo way to seek the presidency? I guess you prefer romney’s way. Too bad his presidency didn’t work out so well.
 
Guess what, this is also legal. Do you think it’s superior ground game?

thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/faithful-christian-cries-ted-cruz-dost-thou-steal-cheat/

In order to get cruz delegates to the convention, "They (Cruz supporters) are encouraged to lie in portraying themselves as Mr Trump supporters, while secretly planning to vote for Mr Cruz. "
Unfortunately, there has been a lot of lying from the Cruz campaign. I guess many will rationalize it since their contempt for Donald Trump outweighs everything.
 
For goodness sake, it’s not even allowed to complain anymore? I get it you think the system is legal, but does that mean no one is allowed to complain? Even if the system was set up in August not specifically to deter trump, what Colorado did with the tweet and paper goofs and all delegates going to cruz was so fabulous that trump can’t even complain? Since when has vocing protests become such a disqualifying thing to do? Hillary can complain about republicans being anti women; cruz can complain about drudge attacking him; and yet trump is just supposed to be quiet.

That’s mo way to seek the presidency? I guess you prefer romney’s way. Too bad his presidency didn’t work out so well.
Certainly he can complain. That is what he does best. But IMO there are more adult ways to point out what he feels is the problem without going all berserk. He might make a great president, IF elected, but this kind of behavior turns me, and many others apparently, off.
 
Certainly he can complain. That is what he does best. But IMO there are more adult ways to point out what he feels is the problem without going all berserk. He might make a great president, IF elected, but this kind of behavior turns me, and many others apparently, off.
Please don’t let trump being loudmouthed overshadow everything else out there. There is a lot of dirty play in politics and trump has shown honor by going straight to voters and talking about the issues of interest. He’s doing it the right way. He wants to do something for the people and the country and he wants to win their vote the right way. Playing with delegates behind the scene, no matter how you spin it, is not how the people want to choose a leader. Whether it’s hillary or cruz, they both have done shady things.
 
Honestly, in years past, the nomination had been decided by mid-March. The CO GOP probably figured that the nomination would be all but wrapped up by the time the contest got to them. As much as Trump wants to claim a “yuge” conspiracy here, there is none. BTW, CO (along with many other states) has a separate primary for non-Presidential positions (US Reps and Senators and state government offices).
I also don’t think we’ve ever seen efforts to cripple the GOP like the ones we’re seeing this year.
 
Matthew Dowd: How Donald Trump Is Right About Our ‘Rigged’ Politics

Donald Trump is right. The political system is “rigged“–but on both sides of the aisle.

I have faulted Mr. Trump numerous times in the past six months: for, among other things, not growing as a candidate, for not using his candidacy to unite the country, and for not putting together a professional campaign operation that understands the rules of picking a nominee. Mr Trump has put himself in a position of capping his own support and not winning more broadly. If Mr. Trump loses the GOP nomination, he ultimately has only himself to blame. He is winning in spite of his campaign, not because of it.

But he is right that the antiquated system of the two major parties is a rigged process. Yes, I understand that the rules were established long ago and that this is the system we have. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t rigged. Rules in any institution can be designed to favor a particular group or result.
blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/04/12/how-donald-trump-is-right-about-our-rigged-politics/
 
Matthew Dowd: How Donald Trump Is Right About Our ‘Rigged’ Politics

Donald Trump is right. The political system is “rigged“–but on both sides of the aisle.

I have faulted Mr. Trump numerous times in the past six months: for, among other things, not growing as a candidate, for not using his candidacy to unite the country, and for not putting together a professional campaign operation that understands the rules of picking a nominee. Mr Trump has put himself in a position of capping his own support and not winning more broadly. If Mr. Trump loses the GOP nomination, he ultimately has only himself to blame. He is winning in spite of his campaign, not because of it.

But he is right that the antiquated system of the two major parties is a rigged process. Yes, I understand that the rules were established long ago and that this is the system we have. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t rigged. Rules in any institution can be designed to favor a particular group or result.
blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/04/12/how-donald-trump-is-right-about-our-rigged-politics/
Honestly, talk to any candidate that isn’t a “favored son”/“favorite daughter”/“up and comer” for a major political party - he/she will tell you how rigged the process is. But in order to fight the rigging, you have to play along and work the ground game like no other, probably 10x harder than the average candidate. Trump has generally refused to work the ground game, relying instead on the power of his personality. This has worked for him well in primaries, not so much in conventions and caucuses where the ground game is important. The only caucus state that Trump has won is Nevada. It also hasn’t helped him much in the agricultural Midwest, where the bulk of GOP voters are Christian Conservatives. In fact, outside the old Confederacy (where Trump has done well), he’s done best in so-called “blue” states - and generally in the bluest of areas in the blue states. Trump is expected to win, and win easily in NY on the 19th. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Cruz came away with some delegates from upstate NY, nor would I be surprised if Kasich came away with some delegates from suburban Long Island.
 
Please don’t let trump being loudmouthed overshadow everything else out there. There is a lot of dirty play in politics and trump has shown honor by going straight to voters and talking about the issues of interest. He’s doing it the right way. He wants to do something for the people and the country and he wants to win their vote the right way. Playing with delegates behind the scene, no matter how you spin it, is not how the people want to choose a leader. Whether it’s hillary or cruz, they both have done shady things.
You have to play with the cards you’re dealt. If Trump wants to change the way states do their primary process, he should work to do that, but not while he is running for president. The rules are already set and saying they are corrupt at this stage of the game sounds like sour grapes to me. The system is there for all to see. Trump just refuses to play by the rules as they are now. And the people in the various states choose their system.so that is the way they want to do it.
 
You have to play with the cards you’re dealt. If Trump wants to change the way states do their primary process, he should work to do that, but not while he is running for president. The rules are already set and saying they are corrupt at this stage of the game sounds like sour grapes to me. The system is there for all to see. Trump just refuses to play by the rules as they are now. And the people in the various states choose their system.so that is the way they want to do it.
He didn’t refuse to play by the rules. He’s voicing disagreement. I understand you don’t like trump, but every candidate complains about something.

What if someone told pro-life activists, it’s the rule–abortion is legal, get with it! Do you think people should stop talking about changing the law then?

To refuse to play by the rules, trump would be leaving the party, suspending his campaign, or sue somebody just for the heck of it. He’s not doing that.
 
And the people in the various states choose their system.so that is the way they want to do it.
This is simply not true. The people in colorado want an election. They don’t want their party leaders to choose delegates for them. Watch and see colorado go back to a primary system as a result of trump and the people complaining.
 
You have to play with the cards you’re dealt. If Trump wants to change the way states do their primary process, he should work to do that, but not while he is running for president. The rules are already set and saying they are corrupt at this stage of the game sounds like sour grapes to me. The system is there for all to see. Trump just refuses to play by the rules as they are now. And the people in the various states choose their system.so that is the way they want to do it.
How about this for playing by the rules? Colorado GOP party leaders passing around anti-trump resolutions in March:

thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/colorado-republicans-passed-around-anti-trump-resolution-back-march-22/

"Resolution to Forbid Colorado Delegates from Voting for Donald Trump

Whereas Donald Trump is not a Republican; and

Whereas Donald Trump is a demagogue who is using fear, hate, and lies to assemble a mob in support of an agenda of socialist policy, unlimited government, and strongman rule; and



The anti-Trump officials handed out this same resolution at the state convention on Saturday."

When we go out to vote on primary day in Ohio, we are not allowed to wear even a trump pin, but the colorado officials are allowed to draw up and pass around such a hateful resolution against trump.

Is that playing by the rules?

Sending out a tweet right afterwards to say, “we did it! #nevertrump.” Is that playing by the rules?
 
You have to play with the cards you’re dealt. If Trump wants to change the way states do their primary process, he should work to do that, but not while he is running for president. The rules are already set and saying they are corrupt at this stage of the game sounds like sour grapes to me. The system is there for all to see. Trump just refuses to play by the rules as they are now. And the people in the various states choose their system.so that is the way they want to do it.
He didn’t complain after South Carolina’s primary a couple months ago.
 
There is no difference between citizens voting and party leaders deciding on delegates? The latter is the system in China. Representatives are chosen from each state and they get to choose the premier. If you guys like it so much because cruz is winning that system, maybe you ought to lobby each state to adopt the same system. Then Cruz will be president, Yeah!!!
 
Donald Trump is right. The political system is “rigged“
Exactly. How else can someone who has only won 37 percent of the cumulative vote end up with 46% of the delegates?

I certainly didn’t hear Trump complain about how rigged the system is after he won 45.7% of the vote in Florida but ended up with 100% of the state’s 99 delegates… or after he won 47.1% of the vote in Arizona but ended up with 100% of the state’s 58 delegates.

(One of) his problems is, he doesn’t know – and apparently can’t be bothered to learn – the rules that have been in place in various forms for 156 years, i.e. since long before he announced his candidacy back in June 2015. That was nearly four full months before New York’s cutoff to change party affiliation and nearly nine full months to register to vote in New York’s primary, yet two of his own kids won’t be voting for him in the primary because they missed both those deadlines!

Trump’s entire campaign is predicated on his reputation as a (supposed) master deal maker. He has said that getting along with people is a prerequisite for getting deals done, but he insists on alienating the very folks he’s supposed to be getting along with. He claims he surrounds himself with experts and top men to advise him on things, yet he surrounded himself with advisors who told him not to worry about the delegates. If those top men advised him so poorly on the delegate issue, how/why does anyone think he won’t make the same mistakes in a presidential administration?
 
Exactly. How else can someone who has only won 37 percent of the cumulative vote end up with 46% of the delegates?

I certainly didn’t hear Trump complain about how rigged the system is after he won 45.7% of the vote in Florida but ended up with 100% of the state’s 99 delegates… or after he won 47.1% of the vote in Arizona but ended up with 100% of the state’s 58 delegates.

(One of) his problems is, he doesn’t know – and apparently can’t be bothered to learn – the rules that have been in place in various forms for 156 years, i.e. since long before he announced his candidacy back in June 2015. That was nearly four full months before New York’s cutoff to change party affiliation and nearly nine full months to register to vote in New York’s primary, yet two of his own kids won’t be voting for him in the primary because they missed both those deadlines!

Trump’s entire campaign is predicated on his reputation as a (supposed) master deal maker. He has said that getting along with people is a prerequisite for getting deals done, but he insists on alienating the very folks he’s supposed to be getting along with. He claims he surrounds himself with experts and top men to advise him on things, yet he surrounded himself with advisors who told him not to worry about the delegates. If those top men advised him so poorly on the delegate issue, how/why does anyone think he won’t make the same mistakes in a presidential administration?
one of the skills useful in negotiation is complaining. A squeaky door gets oiled faster.

The colorado system is not 156 years old. It was changed last year.

Again, there is a difference between citizens voting and a handful of party leaders deciding on delegates.
 
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