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But they like Sanders because he is willing to take care of them once they get home. It’s a big deal.
What candidate is not in favor of that? And, yes, it is a big deal. While I am not in favor of Trump, perhaps he might be better at organizing the VA than some of the others with no experience other than in government.
 
What candidate is not in favor of that? And, yes, it is a big deal. While I am not in favor of Trump, perhaps he might be better at organizing the VA than some of the others with no experience other than in government.
He probably could straighten it around.
 
I own stock in Conoco Phillips. Does that mean I’m causing global warming?
Not to derail the thread, but rest assured, none of us are causing global warming.

There’s a glacier in Peru whose retreat is being blamed on man-made global warming; the “proof” is that more and more ancient plant beds (mainly mosses) are being newly uncovered each year as the ice retreats (this started in 2002). Carbon dating indicates that most of these plant beds have been buried for at least 5,000 years.

Think about that for a minute. What that really says is, the earth today is still not as warm as it was 5,000+ years ago, when those ancient plants were alive and growing. Mankind was no more responsible for the warm temperatures back then, than for the subsequent cooler temperatures.

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thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/276469-louisiana-delegates-media-is-falsely-reporting-were-with

Unbound delegates in Louisiana are fuming over media reports that they have decided to back Ted Cruz over Donald Trump in the presidential GOP primary, calling them untrue.

The notion that Louisiana’s unbound delegates would go to Cruz over Trump played into the narrative that the Texas senator has a superior ground operation and delegates strategy.

While some say Cruz’s delegate sweep in Colorado last weekend shows he’s winning at the “inside game,” Tassin says he’s only been contacted by the Trump campaign so far.

In that meeting, Tassin said the Trump officials assured him they would not sue the party or seek to disenfranchise the unbound delegates, as the real estate mogul and campaign have threatened to do.

Another delegate, Kirk Williamson, said the Trump campaign has visited him in person, whereas the Cruz campaign has not returned his phone call.

Just as predicted, the delegates Ted Cruz is counting on to go with him on second ballot are not his for the taking. A lot of negotiation can still take place between now and the actual second ballot.
 
thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/276469-louisiana-delegates-media-is-falsely-reporting-were-with

Unbound delegates in Louisiana are fuming over media reports that they have decided to back Ted Cruz over Donald Trump in the presidential GOP primary, calling them untrue.

The notion that Louisiana’s unbound delegates would go to Cruz over Trump played into the narrative that the Texas senator has a superior ground operation and delegates strategy.

While some say Cruz’s delegate sweep in Colorado last weekend shows he’s winning at the “inside game,” Tassin says he’s only been contacted by the Trump campaign so far.

In that meeting, Tassin said the Trump officials assured him they would not sue the party or seek to disenfranchise the unbound delegates, as the real estate mogul and campaign have threatened to do.

Another delegate, Kirk Williamson, said the Trump campaign has visited him in person, whereas the Cruz campaign has not returned his phone call.

Just as predicted, the delegates Ted Cruz is counting on to go with him on second ballot are not his for the taking. A lot of negotiation can still take place between now and the actual second ballot.
Some bizarre dynamics going on with the public messaging of this. Namely, both candidates are happy with a public narrative that Cruz is stealing the candidates. Cruz likes it because he thinks it makes people think he has a chance to stop Trump, and therefor it may be worth voting for him. Trump likes it because he thinks people will be outraged by it and therefor more likely to vote for him.
 
The question was discussed earlier: Will this election cycle cripple the GOP?

For those who believe that it likely, how do we prepare for (in effect) a “one-party system”?
 
The question was discussed earlier: Will this election cycle cripple the GOP?

For those who believe that it likely, how do we prepare for (in effect) a “one-party system”?
It won’t last as such.

Within two presidential iterations, a new party will have risen.
 
The question was discussed earlier: Will this election cycle cripple the GOP?

For those who believe that it likely, how do we prepare for (in effect) a “one-party system”?
The GOP will re-invent itself.
 
It won’t last as such.

Within two presidential iterations, a new party will have risen.
I can imagine there being two major left-wing parties. One would be the liberal capitalist Democratic Party and the other would be a socialist party based on the ideas of Bernie Sanders. Which party would be more popular?
 
Well, if the GOP is crippled, new parties may immerge, but I think the Dems will be the dominant party, and the GOP the closest thing to a second major party.
 
Within two presidential iterations, a new party will have risen.
It might not even take that long. The Whig Party had become virtually defunct by 1856… and Abraham Lincoln (who served four successive terms in the Illinois House of Representatives and one term in the U.S. House of Representatives as a Whig) was elected President in 1860 as a Republican
 
The question was discussed earlier: Will this election cycle cripple the GOP?

For those who believe that it likely, how do we prepare for (in effect) a “one-party system”?
We found out in 2009 what a one party system is like. We can’t prepare for something like that, because we don’t know what all the Dems have on their wish list. Something to worry about, though. Because of the Sanders candidacy, Hillary Clinton now knows there will be plenty of support of a farther-left lurch on her part if she’s elected.

Plenty to worry about, but nothing we can do about it if she’s elected.
 
The question was discussed earlier: Will this election cycle cripple the GOP?

For those who believe that it likely, how do we prepare for (in effect) a “one-party system”?
I don’t think the GOP will be crippled, but the current coalitions are changing. I’m not sure that the Wall Street types will remain in a party with the economic populists (so called angry white middle class males) and the social conservatives. The risk as I see it is that the social conservatives have less and less of a voice on the national stage and are left without a party. I also don’t think it’s out of the question that Wall Street bolts for the Democrats and the Republicans gain a lot of Bernie supporters who are similarly feeling put out by the current system.
 
I also don’t think it’s out of the question that Wall Street bolts for the Democrats and the Republicans gain a lot of Bernie supporters who are similarly feeling put out by the current system
…thus giving rise to the Republicrats and Democans
 
The GOP will re-invent itself.
I hope so. Temporarily going from a “two party system” to a “one party system (in effect)” is bad enough … but worse to think of the GOP being out for good.

I think the GOP leadership can start now by stressing that ,regardless of which way the nomination goes, it is ultimately only a request or recommendation. I.e. that the party doesn’t actually determine how anyone votes.
 
…thus giving rise to the Republicrats and Democans
It’s an interesting thought. I mean many on the left view Hillary as really being more of a moderate Republican of say 30 years ago than she is a Democrat. Maybe that’ll end up being the answer if the GOP implodes. The Democratic Party splits into two camps, one more Democratic Socialist ala Sanders, and the other more akin to a European conservative party like the UK’s Conservatives (essentially a centrist/right of center party). And if it floats their boats the Tea Party, who have been a big part of what’s split the Republican Party in two, maintain themselves as the far right party. Honestly wouldn’t mind seeing the US with a 3 party system for a while. At the very least it would force them to actually compromise and work together rather than simply try to bludgeon each other to death when the majority and/or White House swings back to their party like today.
 
It’s an interesting thought. I mean many on the left view Hillary as really being more of a moderate Republican of say 30 years ago than she is a Democrat. Maybe that’ll end up being the answer if the GOP implodes. The Democratic Party splits into two camps, one more Democratic Socialist ala Sanders, and the other more akin to a European conservative party like the UK’s Conservatives (essentially a centrist/right of center party). And if it floats their boats the Tea Party, who have been a big part of what’s split the Republican Party in two, maintain themselves as the far right party. Honestly wouldn’t mind seeing the US with a 3 party system for a while. At the very least it would force them to actually compromise and work together rather than simply try to bludgeon each other to death when the majority and/or White House swings back to their party like today.
Not many decades ago, the parties did work together a great deal. Differences have arisen that are intractable, like abortion on demand. There’s no compromise possible on that, or at least very little room for it.

There’s not much room to compromise between supporting terrorist groups passively, and fighting them with a will. There’s not much room between giving tax relief to the middle class and soaking them with still more income transfers.

Neither party is going to implode or split. One is going to win the next election and one won’t. If Hillary Clinton wins the primary, the left will coalesce around her like so many bees surrounding the queen bee.
 
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