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This has nothing to do with the Constitution.
This is true, the constitution says nothing about primary elections or how parties chose their nominees.

If you don’t like what the Republicans are doing now, just imagine how much they will care about the voice of the people once they get in office.

Everyone should vote Libertarian with me :D.
 
Agree with this. I’m no Trump supporter either but if he gets the majority of the delegates than he is the nominee fair and square. How would we like it if Cruz (or other candidate of your choice) got the majority of the delegates and they pulled the same thing because they don’t like Cruz? I’m wondering if Paul Ryan would go for it anyway.
But a candidate has to get to 1237. If Trump doesn’t get to that through the process, he isn’t the nominee. The contested convention process is the way it is, delegates can switch after the first ballot, the second ballot, and can switch their allegiance.
 
This is true, the constitution says nothing about primary elections or how parties chose their nominees.

If you don’t like what the Republicans are doing now, just imagine how much they will care about the voice of the people once they get in office.

Everyone should vote Libertarian with me :D.
Nail on head.
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So now we are not competent to pick our own nominee? I am no Trump supporter but whoever has the majority of delegates going into the convention should be the nominee.

There is an even bigger problem on the Democrat side-Hillary could very well receive the nomination because of the support of unelected super delegates ie: Party Bosses
It looks like Hillary may not even need the superdelegates to clinch the nomination. Insofar as Boehner’s choice is concerned, do any of the Republican electorate even care? Isn’t Boehner the epitome of what Republicans are fighting against?

With regard to Ryan, he is beginning to look like a good candidate to me compared to what the GOP alternatives are. How did all this happen?
 
I read a very good book on this issue a few years ago called ‘The Party Decides: Presidential Nominations Before and After Reform’. It’s about how primary voters have little to no impact on the nominee (in either party).

It’s really, really good and traces the history of party influence on choosing a nominee back to the beginning of our country. Warning: regardless of where you stand on this issue now, the book will make you even more cynical.
 
I read a very good book on this issue a few years ago called ‘The Party Decides: Presidential Nominations Before and After Reform’. It’s about how primary voters have little to no impact on the nominee (in either party).

It’s really, really good and traces the history of party influence on choosing a nominee back to the beginning of our country. Warning: regardless of where you stand on this issue now, the book will make you even more cynical.
And create ‘political atheists’ like myself. 😉

In fairness to our Founders though, it was a different world for them.
 
But a candidate has to get to 1237. If Trump doesn’t get to that through the process, he isn’t the nominee. The contested convention process is the way it is, delegates can switch after the first ballot, the second ballot, and can switch their allegiance.
Yes… I see what you mean…checking the news Trump has 646(as of now) but it’s not clear he will get to 1237 as he is not as popular in some states. If that happens I hope they don’t put in a candidate like Ryan who wasn’t even on the ballot in the past primaries.
 
I hate to tell you folks this, but it actually would be within the bounds of the Constitution.
What Boehner is suggesting, is completely legal.
And quite frankly, wouldn’t surprise me if it happened.
Just don’t be surprised if Trump runs as an independent and outperforms Ryan in the general.

The Republican Party leadership has completely lost control of the madhouse that’s been forming in their party the last 15 years. And they actually think they can try to force the issue now at this very late hour. They push a candidate that wasn’t even on any of the ballots and watch the party fracture, perhaps irrevocably. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not fan of Trump, but if he won the most delegates (and by all accounts if he doesn’t get the majority he’ll be darn close to it), he should be the presidential candidate, it’s as simple as that. Any attempt to circumvent that is going to end in disaster for the GOP.
 
Just don’t be surprised if Trump runs as an independent and outperforms Ryan in the general.

The Republican Party leadership has completely lost control of the madhouse that’s been forming in their party the last 15 years. And they actually think they can try to force the issue now at this very late hour. They push a candidate that wasn’t even on any of the ballots and watch the party fracture, perhaps irrevocably. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not fan of Trump, but if he won the most delegates (and by all accounts if he doesn’t get the majority he’ll be darn close to it), he should be the presidential candidate, it’s as simple as that. Any attempt to circumvent that is going to end in disaster for the GOP.
You might very well be right.
 
I read a very good book on this issue a few years ago called ‘The Party Decides: Presidential Nominations Before and After Reform’. It’s about how primary voters have little to no impact on the nominee (in either party).

It’s really, really good and traces the history of party influence on choosing a nominee back to the beginning of our country. Warning: regardless of where you stand on this issue now, the book will make you even more cynical.
I don’t know if it’s possible for me to be more cynical :). I will have to check this out. Thanks.
 
You’re correct. There is nothing in the Constitution about how we nominate a President. It only deals with how the election process is done.
Primary elections(which is part of how a presidential nominee is nominated, and what is being talked about here) are not the elections the Constitution details. Read the Constitution, you will see for yourself.
 
Isn’t Boehner the epitome of what Republicans are fighting against?
The Establishment loved him because he didn’t rock the boat and they were able to carry on, business as usual. The base hated him however.
With regard to Ryan, he is beginning to look like a good candidate to me compared to what the GOP alternatives are. How did all this happen?
When all this began, I pretty much liked all of the 17 GOP candidates, and I said, “wow, this is a very strong field of candidates”. But now, well into this process, I hate them all, meaning the process is grueling and to darn long! Nobody can survive it unscathed.

So being that Ryan didn’t go through the process, of course makes him look like a poster boy savior. But I have no respect for him being that he didn’t put himself out there. Coming in at the 11th hr would be disastrous for our country…
 
Primary elections(which is part of how a presidential nominee is nominated, and what is being talked about here) are not the elections the Constitution details. Read the Constitution, you will see for yourself.
That’s what I said. I was agreeing with you.
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What this is ,is we who identify with the Republican Party,have finally had it up to our ears with the elites cherry picking our nominees.It seems we are having less and less of a say in the process.Trump,who pretty much all of us can agree,is not our first choice,maybe not even an option at all.However,he represents the frustration the electorate are feeling over politics as usual.Now those same elites apparently have found a way around thecTrump phenomenon and will still choose the nominee of their liking.Once again the party will lose to another Dem.We the people are the ones who get to deal with the fallout.Disgusting!:mad:
I don’t understand this post. The Democrates are the ones with the super delegates. The Republican Party elects who wins the primaries (unless no one receives enough delegates). PACs give money to people who are winning the primaries.

The real problem that Republicans have is presenting a carismatic nominee.

Also, let’s look at this election Gov K. Is the only one left in the race that has a record of results in Govt. but no one outside OH is votting for him.

I’m a life long Republican, but the party is in BIG trouble if we can’t find a way to attract urban and suburban voters.

In some of our big cities, we don’t even have Republicans running for Mayor on the Republican ticket… You have Democrats switching parties just so they can run against the Democratic Mayor candidate (but they are still really Dems). Mayor Bloomberg is a prime example and the last Philadelphia mayoral election was the same thing.

This nation is quickly become urban/suburban vs rural in the elections. If you look at the county election maps (not state level) the rural counties vote Republican while the urban/suburban counties vote Democrat. As the population centers of the States and nation continues to shift towards the cities, the Republican Party will truely become a minority party.

We need to figure out how to attract the urban and suburban voters without our stance on moral issues.

Transportation is a perfect example. Republicans have a tendency to vote against Amtrak and other public transportation bills. Republicans need to support urban infrastructure enhancements … Many urban/suburban swing voters will vote democrat because of transit or other urban issues.

So I don’t understand this… We have gotten who we vote for.

HOWEVER, the one place I strongly feel the Republicans have had a tendency of screwing up is the VP choice. The Vice President has NO power unless the President dies. The VP canidate is selected after we have a nominee.

So WHY in the world do we pick VP candidates to satisfy the Republican base instead of candidates who would help use win moderate swing voters!!! Sarah Palin hurt John McCain’s chances with the moderates, Dan Quayle should have been replaced by GHW Bush, Dick Channey wasn’t the best choice but GW Bush won anyway. I’m not saying we need a left leaning VP candidate, but we should be picking the best person to balance the ticket and someone people would be comfortable being President. The thought of John McCain dying in office and Sarah Palin becoming president scared too many moderates. I personally know several people who voted in 2008 for the VP and not the president… Meaning they voted for Biden over Palin because they were not sure who would be the better President, but felt Biden be better than Palin if anything even happened to the President.

Point is: we can say whatever we want about the Republican establishment but they are not the reason we have the candidates we vote for.

If anything, the Primary voting order is a little messed up. The parties should adopt the “Delaware Plan” for primary voting which would make for a more fair an balanced Primary system. Right now, if a candidate is weak in the South, they might have to drop out of the race before the Northern and Western states vote. And since the early voting results impact voters, it gives an unfair advantage to the early winner.

God Bless and May God help America find its soul once again.

Amen.
 
Just don’t be surprised if Trump runs as an independent and outperforms Ryan in the general.
Some states have “sore loser laws” which do not allow a person to be on the ballot as an independent if they ran in the primary of a political party. I don’t know all the details but it may not be possible in all 50 states for Trump to do this. He would have to run a massive write-in campaign in those places.
 
So now we are not competent to pick our own nominee? I am no Trump supporter but whoever has the majority of delegates going into the convention should be the nominee.

There is an even bigger problem on the Democrat side-Hillary could very well receive the nomination because of the support of unelected super delegates ie: Party Bosses
That’s not true. The super delegates ALWAYS follow the candidate with the most popular vote. All Hillary’s SDs in 2008 left her for Barack as soon as it was evident that more people wanted him.

The bottom line is that more Democrats want Hillary as the 2016 candidate than want Bernie. And because the Democrat Party is not fractured, Bernie and his supporters and his SDs will support Hillary in November - just like Hillary and her supporters and SDs supported Obama in 2008 (and 2012).
 
Yes… I see what you mean…checking the news Trump has 646(as of now) but it’s not clear he will get to 1237 as he is not as popular in some states. If that happens I hope they don’t put in a candidate like Ryan who wasn’t even on the ballot in the past primaries.
Right, I think it should be between the two with the most delegates.

In our local elections, if no one gets 51% of the vote, there is a runoff between the two with the highest percentage. I wish we could do this in the presidential primaries. Get it down to two and then let the people pick out of those two.
 
Some states have “sore loser laws” which do not allow a person to be on the ballot as an independent if they ran in the primary of a political party. I don’t know all the details but it may not be possible in all 50 states for Trump to do this. He would have to run a massive write-in campaign in those places.
I believe Michigan is the only state that has that law on the books as it pertains to presidential elections. And if there’s one state that would be a fertile ground for a write in campaign for Trump, it’s Michigan.
 
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