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[Caesar]

I noticed the thurifier in the video. Was that a High Mass or Low Mass? Also was that Priest following the 1962 Tridentine Mass? I had never seen a thurifier incense during the Consecration

During a Sung Mass (perhaps also at a Solemn Mass, although I’m not sure there) the thurifer kneels on the first step of the Altar to the right of the priest (the Master of Ceremonies is to Father’s left). At the elevation, the bells are rung three times and upon each ring the Host is incensed by two swings of the thurible. This is repeated for the elevation of the Chalice.

 

[AlexV]

There is no such as an “Adoremus”-style Mass.

The rubrics of the Novus Ordo Missae certainly allow/call for/even prefer Latin, chant, ad orientem, etc…BUT they also allow little explanatory ad libs…and THAT, in my view at least, is the greatest weakness of the Novus Ordo. It actually rubricizes the use of those little commentating asides at various parts of the Mass. The Novus Ordo allows them before even the Eucharistic Prayer (it’s part of the hyper-didacticism of the new liturgical books, which think the congregation is composed of idiots who need constant catechesis on everything that’s happening, even in the vernacular).

 

[Ham1]

There is no such as an “Adoremus”-style Mass.

The rubrics of the Novus Ordo Missae certainly allow/call for/even prefer Latin, chant, ad orientem, etc…BUT they also allow little explanatory ad libs…and THAT, in my view at least, is the greatest weakness of the Novus Ordo. It actually rubricizes the use of those little commentating asides at various parts of the Mass. The Novus Ordo allows them before even the Eucharistic Prayer (it’s part of the hyper-didacticism of the new liturgical books, which think the congregation is composed of idiots who need constant catechesis on everything that’s happening, even in the vernacular).

I agree this is kind of a flaw as it can lead to abuse or unimportant commentary.

I will say though that the explanations seem to have fallen out of favor. In many masses that I have attended (I travel a lot) in several different dioceses, you don’t see this much anymore at all. It was much more common 20 years ago.

 

[Unfinished]

During a Sung Mass (perhaps also at a Solemn Mass, although I’m not sure there) the thurifer kneels on the first step of the Altar to the right of the priest (the Master of Ceremonies is to Father’s left). At the elevation, the bells are rung three times and upon each ring the Host is incensed by two swings of the thurible. This is repeated for the elevation of the Chalice.

Is it always to the right? I have seen the thurifer kneel in the middle before with the two acylotes on the side of him. It looked neat.

 

[AJV]

Is it always to the right? I have seen the thurifer kneel in the middle before with the two acylotes on the side of him. It looked neat.

Yes, according to the rubrics. But I think if the Mass was celebrated versus populum he would possibly be on the left because the rubrics instruct kneeling at the Epistle side…

I’m quite interested in these various customs of bell ringing. There seem to be quite a few variations like:

• genuflect (ring), elevate (ring), genuflect (ring)
• genuflect (ring), elevate (ring, ring, ring), genuflect (ring)
• genuflect, elevate (ring), genuflect
• genuflect, elevate (ring, ring, ring), genuflect

 

[beckers]

Because I can appreciate the mass in both forms - and I have been to many NO masses that have left me in tears as well.

You see - the beauty is in the fact that Christ is present to me on the altar, not how he got there. Yes, the video is extremely beautiful and moving. But it does not lessen the fact, the reality, that Christ is still there in the NO mass - no less of Him than is present at the TLM.

In the end He is all I need. He would not be less glorious or less present if He were brought forth in a filthy hole in the corner of a concentration camp in the elements of a week old crust of bread. I’m sure that Saint Maximilian Kolbe would agree with me on this one.

You see - this is why this divisiveness is so horrible and wrong. I am convinced that it will tear our beloved Church at her seams. Traditional this and NO that - it only serves to divide us, and until we realize and respect the fact that we are truly One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and stop drawing lines, we will only continue to participate in the destruction of the Faith from the inside out.

~Liza

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This is one of the biggest problems i have when people say that they go to mass and complain about all the things that went wrong. I am like it doesn’t matter in the end. … So what if the music is off or there is a priest you don’t like…It’s all secondary…It’s JESUS. We are there for him. He is our life line!

 

[bear06]

There is no such as an “Adoremus”-style Mass.

Tell Fr. Fessio that. You’re being a little silly here because you should know quite well what I mean about “Adoremus style” Mass but maybe you don’t understand what this means. If you think I’m going to repeatedly type what an “Adoremus style” Mass looks like, I’m not. Fingers get too cramped. For anyone who doesn’t know what this is and wants to know:
www.adoremus.org

 

[marymonde]

And when you do, never go back.

I kwym. I am sure you didn’t mean to cause any commotion by this comment. I understood what you meant by this.

There is are a few words that I carry with me by St. Augustine. It explained what happened to me at the TLM better than I could ever say:

**“Those who are begotten of God are led by the Spirit of God”, says the scripture. But do not think you are drawn against your will~for the soul is drawn by love. You insist, “How do I believe voluntarily if I am drawn?” I tell you, they are the same thing~“to be willing,” and to be “drawn by delight.” What is this, to be “drawn by delight” you ask? Is is as the scripture say: “Delight in the Lord and He will give you your hearts desires.” For the heart, too, has it’s delights. Shall the senses of the body have their pleasure and the soul not? If the soul did not have it’s pleasures it would not be written, “Humanity shall find hope in the shelter of your wings, they will be filled with the abundance of your house, and you will give them to drink if the torrent of your delight. For with you is the fountain of life, and in your light, we shall see light.”

I had this in my purse for years before I went to my first TLM. At that very moment of the first meeting of the traditional sacrifice, it made this little verse ever so clear to me.

 

[AlexV]

Actually, I don’t go to Father Fessio for liturgical advice.

I don’t know what an “Adoremus-style Mass” is.

The rubrics of the Novus Ordo are what they are. And they ALLOW many of the excesses that the Adoremus crowd deplores.

 

[bear06]

Actually, I don’t go to Father Fessio for liturgical advice.

I don’t know what an “Adoremus-style Mass” is.

The rubrics of the Novus Ordo are what they are. And they ALLOW many of the excesses that the Adoremus crowd deplores.

Well that’s rather sad considering you continue to argue against it.

 

[Missa_Solemnis]

Well that’s rather sad considering you continue to argue against it.

What I think is sad is that we NEED an 'Adoremus" Liturgical Movement.

The Liturgy is the most perfect thing we can participate in, its a glimpse of heaven.

The fact that we actually need movements to reform a reform…just shows how the liturgy has sunk to unknown levels.

Now I know some people will say that the TLM has also been reformed over the years…but we all know that those reforms have merely been additions or re-wording of the current text…nothing was ever done to the TLM that could merit the title of “New Order”.

It bothers me that we could have a perfectly good liturgy…replace it with a problematic one…then try and re-replace that problematic liturgy with a polished up version…and who knows where we’ll go from there?

And in the midst of all this re-reforming…the small remnants of Catholics who want to hold on to Tradition are being supressed…

And even the Universal Indult is more or less another supresion of the Old Rite…it is a reminder that our Mass is ‘outdated’, that its like an orphaned liturgy…the fact that it needs paperwork for permission to celebrate.

Thats whats sad…

 

[Trident59]

I suppose I’m more fortunate than some and less than others but we have within 100 miles an Old Dominican Rite Mass that is said about once a month. It was just celebrated on Ash Wednesday. I know I’ve bragged about their Cantores in Ecclesia before but it was magnificent on Wednesday.

On March 4, I’ll be in New Westminster, BC to attend the Tridentine Mass celebrated by Fr. Ryan of FSSP. And then back to Portland for the Dominican Rite later in the month.

I fill in the rest of the month by attending a NO Mass that is slowly becoming more reverent. Its a mission parish, the oldest one in western Washington, and our priest is slowly asking the choir to begin Latin. We tried it earlier last year and somebody complained. So we stopped at his request but now that Lent is here, he says go for it.

Yes, the Dominican prayers are beautiful but I also prefer the Tridentine Rite.