Gov. Brown orders permanent water restrictions for California

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Which is more important a bullet train or drinking water? There are environmental concerns of course with desalination, but these can be alleviated as is shown in mideast countries. Further, it is detrimental to sea life to pour untreated waste water into the ocean. Why not recycle and reuse all waste water?

My personal concern is pharmaceuticals aren’t being fully filtered out of recycled waste water.

If I lived in California, I would move somewhere else. It doesn’t sound like a nice place to live.

The weather is amazing especially in the coastal San Francisco Bay Area,

Isn’t California having major budget/debt issues? They probably lack the funding for desalination plants. I suppose they’ll have to do it eventually, but I don’t know where they are going to get the money.

California is running a surplus and in the process of paying down the debt.

Water restrictions have some place. But dumping tons of fresh water to “save” the delta smelt and refusing to build anything to catch and store the water when we have a rainy year and continuing to build huge housing developments (with lawns) are bigger issues. Even fixing all the leaking showers on the beach next to my home wouldn’t hurt. They dribble water all day long. The seagulls like it, but it wastes a lot of water.

the salt intrusion damages the Delta and the water flow is necessary, we have already have hit the point where freshwater ports are now saltwater ports

city-journal.org/html/engineered-drought-11548.html

engineered-drought-

Spoken like someone ignorant of the boots on the ground perspective

 

[Tomdstone]

My personal concern is pharmaceuticals aren’t being fully filtered out of recycled waste water.

It depends on the reclamation process. Further, recycled water can be used for landscaping and flushing toilets as well as other non-drinking purposes.

 

[Tomdstone]

My personal concern is pharmaceuticals aren’t being fully filtered out of recycled waste water.

the water you drink today could already have lots and lots of pharmaceutical drugs in it. In any case, water reclamation and treatment processes, such as ozonation, advanced oxidation, nanofiltration, and reverse osmosis, can purify waste water to such an extent that it would be purer and have a lot fewer pharmaceuticals and other unwanted chemicals than the water that many people are now drinking today.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Well, admittedly bullet-trains are “sexy” projects, but relieving some of the vehicular pressure on your roads is pretty important, methinks.

You should be able to do both.

ICXC NIKA

Cost is escalating out of sight.

AND they are going to skip some of the key destinations.

city-journal.org/html/desperate-rail-gambit-14296.html

 

[Sarcelle]

Not a chance. I’ve been to plenty of other places and the only thing I come away with when I’m there… is that they’re not as nice as California. That’s not to say other places don’t have redeeming qualities, I just don’t see as many positives to living other places as I do to most places in California not called the Greater Los Angeles area.

I would love to live in San Diego or Northern California. Too bad it is too expensive.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Cost is escalating out of sight.

AND they are going to skip some of the key destinations.

city-journal.org/html/desperate-rail-gambit-14296.html

That doesn’t actually say they are going to skip any destinations, just that it is going to be slower

 

[Monte_RCMS]

That doesn’t actually say they are going to skip any destinations, just that it is going to be slower

" … the authority has decided to skip Southern California for now …"

“For now.”

Yeah, right.

“**The original price tag was less than $40 billion but quickly ballooned to $118 billion. **Governor Jerry Brown ratcheted the number down to $64 billion—not that any number really means anything at this point. To get these proposed costs down, rail backers had to void one of the project’s core promises: that the train would connect Los Angeles to San Francisco (via the San Joaquin Valley) in two hours and 40 minutes. The updated plan requires “bullet” trains to **share commuter tracks **in the two main congested metropolitan areas, slowing travel time significantly.”

 

[Boatswain2PA]

One hundred years ago, Cal had **far **fewer people than she does now.

The water is simply not to be had by conventional means.

Considering how agricultural the state is, desalination is the only way to go. On an unprecedented scale.

Crank up the tax meter.

ICXC NIKA

There is still plenty of water, but only IF we would capture a growing percentage of the melting snowpack every spring. But that would require more dams which isn’t going to happen due to the politics of CA.

It was at one time, hence all of the “California dreams” of the 1900s. But overcrowding killed the dreaming in time.

ICXC NIKA

Most of CA isn’t “overcrowded”, but rather overregulated and therefore overexpensive. One example of the overregulation is the effective prohibition on new dams, which creates water scarcity, which increases the cost of water = overexpensive.

Same thing with housing. Many communities, especially along the coast, have extensive regulations on allowable types of new housing which prevent affordable housing from being built. That’s a primary reason why people living in San Fran area have a very difficult time getting by on $100K a year.

 

[mikekle]

If I lived in California, I would move somewhere else. It doesn’t sound like a nice place to live.

Id love to live in SoCal, but I cannot afford it, Ive always wondered why the cost of living is so high there if it is such a bad place to live?

All those people living in small homes in bad areas, have home values, that in my area (KY) would be mansion territory…??

Is the perfect weather really the only thing keeping the value high? LOL

 

[Sarcelle]

Id love to live in SoCal, but I cannot afford it, Ive always wondered why the cost of living is so high there if it is such a bad place to live?

All those people living in small homes in bad areas, have home values, that in my area (KY) would be mansion territory…??

Is the perfect weather really the only thing keeping the value high? LOL

SoCal also has good employment opportunities,especially for engineers.

Too bad about the high cost of living.

 

[Padres1969]

I would love to live in San Diego or Northern California. Too bad it is too expensive.

This I will grant you. The cost of entry in CA can be steep. I know many of my acquaintances in San Diego bemoan how expensive San Diego can be. I’m the only one who thinks they’re all crazy as San Diego is significantly less expensive than where I moved here from (the SF Bay Area).

 

[GEddie]

There is still plenty of water, but only IF we would capture a growing percentage of the melting snowpack every spring. But that would require more dams which isn’t going to happen due to the politics of CA.

As the trout said when he swam face on into a concrete wall: Dam!!!

Most of CA isn’t “overcrowded”, but rather overregulated and therefore overexpensive. One example of the overregulation is the effective prohibition on new dams, which creates water scarcity, which increases the cost of water = overexpensive.

Same thing with housing. Many communities, especially along the coast, have extensive regulations on allowable types of new housing which prevent affordable housing from being built. That’s a primary reason why people living in San Fran area have a very difficult time getting by on $100K a year.

Yeah, you have much the same dynamic going as TX. Hundreds of thousands of square miles, but the demand is for space in the most desirable cities.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Monte_RCMS]

The desalination plant in San Diego JUST NOW opened, after being under the microscope for many years.

mercurynews.com/science/ci_25859513/nations-largest-ocean-desalination-plant-goes-up-near

nations-largest-ocean-desalination-plant-goes-up-near

December 18, 2015 was when the San Diego desalination plant started up.

Lot of articles about the large number of desalination plants that have been proposed for California, but which were objected to.

ww2.kqed.org/science/2015/12/18/why-isnt-desalination-the-answer-to-all-californias-water-problems/

They are used all over the world, but not here.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

December 18, 2015 was when the San Diego desalination plant started up.

Lot of articles about the large number of desalination plants that have been proposed for California, but which were objected to.

ww2.kqed.org/science/2015/12/18/why-isnt-desalination-the-answer-to-all-californias-water-problems/

They are used all over the world, but not here.

If you review a dozen articles and images, about a dozen additional desalination plants have been proposed for California.

They would be paid for by user fees, estimated at $5 per month per family.

Objectors say that $5 is too high … which is about the cost of five plastic water bottles.

Objectors also say that the plants would endanger fish by sucking in fish eggs. And that the discharge stream would not be sufficiently diluted and would increase the amount of salt in the ocean.

Although there is a plant that sells the salt in packages.

 

[Tomdstone]

They are used all over the world, but not here.

The American people of California voted for someone who thinks that a bullet train is more important than having water to drink.

 

[GEddie]

The American people of California voted for someone who thinks that a bullet train is more important than having water to drink.

Methinks that federal money was involved in that decision.

One of the drawbacks of such a huge country is that regional issues like drought are hard to see from the corridors of power. Water shortage isn’t an issue in the Northeastern lands where nationwide power resides.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Padres1969]

December 18, 2015 was when the San Diego desalination plant started up.

Lot of articles about the large number of desalination plants that have been proposed for California, but which were objected to.

ww2.kqed.org/science/2015/12/18/why-isnt-desalination-the-answer-to-all-californias-water-problems/

They are used all over the world, but not here.

They’re starting to be used here too. We have more regulation and red tape they had to jump through, in part because we’re not an authoritarian country like many who make big use of them. But they’re coming. San Diego’s was just the first. There’s already Huntington Beach under construction, and a second one on the drawing board for San Diego that I’m aware of off the top of my head.

In addition waste water recycling is already in the advanced planning stages in San Diego at least as well.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

They’re starting to be used here too. We have more regulation and red tape they had to jump through, in part because we’re not an authoritarian country like many who make big use of them. But they’re coming. San Diego’s was just the first. There’s already Huntington Beach under construction, and a second one on the drawing board for San Diego that I’m aware of off the top of my head.

In addition waste water recycling is already in the advanced planning stages in San Diego at least as well.

You’re right there.

But it’s more than red tape and regulation … it’s the freedom to object to pretty much anything and using most any kind of grounds.

It’s part of why the USA is such a litigous society.

Anyway, permanent water restrictions … back on topic … are not needed.

We merely need to use good sound design.

But Governor Brown doesn’t want to do that.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

You’re right there.

But it’s more than red tape and regulation … it’s the freedom to object to pretty much anything and using most any kind of grounds.

It’s part of why the USA is such a litigous society.

Anyway, permanent water restrictions … back on topic … are not needed.

We merely need to use good sound design.

But Governor Brown doesn’t want to do that.

Governor Brown is negative on sound design for water supply.

And Governor Brown is negative on sound design for transportation.

washingtonexaminer.com/californias-high-speed-rail-boondoggle-getting-worse-all-the-time/article/2591210#.VzUbcHukae8.linkedin

/californias-high-speed-rail-boondoggle-getting-worse-all-the-time

 

[Monte_RCMS]

I keep hearing that California is getting lots of rain.

Can’t find any news stories.

What’s actually going on?