I said the WILL be decided by legislatures… But the point of that post was that personal opinion effects those legislatures, both in their composition and in the decision making. The public has an obligation to participate in that process, and to make their opinions known to the legislatures… One way of doing that is what we’ve seen take place surrounding this law in Indiana.
Yes, David Brooks (to the left of me) expressed this same sentiment in the New York Times recently. It is crossing a line. I personally think there are extremists on both sides of the issue - that is just human nature. But hostility to Christians, in particular, with reference to Christians citing Christian doctrine on the issue of gay marriage, is becoming more mainstream and openly expressed in the gay community. I also think that that mentality extends to the progressive left in general. Of course this is nothing compared to what Christians face in terms of persecution worldwide, but it is part of the same intolerance. I do think it is a dangerous situation.
nytimes.com/2015/03/31/opinion/david-brooks-religious-liberty-and-equality.html
Hostile to believers? Many of us are believers. Many of our strongest allies are Christian Churches.
I campaigned for Howard Dean in 2004, I voted for John Kerry in 2006 and interned for Russ Feingold, and I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. Granted, I’ve been shifting more conservative in the last few years, but this has sealed it for me.
I don’t want to get into a discussion about this because I feel it would stretch the boundaries of my ability to be charitable, I’ll just leave it at that.
All of whom jettisoned centuries of their denominations teaching on homosexuality to do so.
“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
I’m with you. I voted for Obama too, both times. Bitter pill, huh? My only excuse is that he represented himself much more to the center than he turned out to be. I didn’t vote for this.
As a state senator obama voted to keep partial abortion legal which is basically infanticide. There was NO excuse for voting for this man in 2008 or 2012. None at all.
However better late that never.
Thanks buddy.
Been there done that. I not only voted for McGovern I campaigned for him!Thanks buddy.
It’s fun to be part of the revolution, until it arrives!Been there done that. I not only voted for McGovern I campaigned for him!
Calling this a “ban” makes as much sense as calling a law against nuclear-powered carrots a “ban” - it presupposes the redefinition.
First, we have to establish that two persons of the same sex have a “fundamental right” to claim the same privileges and benefits as two persons of the opposite sex who marry.
The laws defining marriage as a union of male and female were enacted according to proper procedure for their states, so there goes the 5th amendment argument. As for the 14th amendment, one has to establish that somehow the law which prevents a person from legally “marrying” a person of the same sex is unequal, but a law which prevents a person from “marrying” a corporation/bridge/brother/5-year-old/horse is not.
Let’s try an analogy: As I recall, you served in the armed forces - would you be offended by someone claiming to be due all the benefits of military service without actually being in the military? By their definition, it’s discriminatory to reserve veteran’s benefits to veterans. Now say they got the court to agree with their position, and you now have to salute them as you would a fellow - or superior - officer.
Yes glad to have you on board. But as to your excuse that obama played to the center - it’s impossible to say he did that on abortion. He also attended the church of rev wright (“God damn america”) and he “wanted to spread the wealth around.”Thanks buddy.
As usual David Brooks hits the right tone which is politeness.
Hey, Ishii, you wanted an example? Here you go. Didn’t take long, either.
