Government Shutdown

[lakotak]

Now that the shutdown has been avoided, will our tax dollars still go for abortions to Planned Parenthood. Does this budget still include funding to them?

Thanks.

 

[Dale_M]

The federal government does not provide abortion funding to Planned Parenthood. However, some pro-life advocates have argued that if non-abortion funding to PP could be cut, it would indirectly make abortions harder to obtain. And that is what the controversy was about.

The budget just passed retains funding to Planned Parenthood. However, the budget only is on valid for a few months.
edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/09/congress.budget/index.html

I suspect the PP funding issue will be revisited.

 

[dmelosi]

Now that the shutdown has been avoided, will our tax dollars still go for abortions to Planned Parenthood. Does this budget still include funding to them?

Thanks.

Yes they will.

Our tax money will go to planned parenthood. Planned parenthood provides abortion on demand.

 

[fkjuliano]

The claim that taxpayers’ money given to Planned Parenthood does not pay for abortions is a shell game. Because they get the government money, they can take money from other sources, which they would have had to use for different purposes, and fund abortions with it. The result? Abortions are cheaper, more abortionists are hired, the death mills stay open longer, etc. Ultimately, it makes no difference whether the tax payers’ money goes directly towards abortions or only indirectly.

Incidentally, John Boehner and the other Republicans have given in and agreed to keep funding Planned Parenthood.

 

[lakotak]

The claim that taxpayers’ money given to Planned Parenthood does not pay for abortions is a shell game. Because they get the government money, they can take money from other sources, which they would have had to use for different purposes, and fund abortions with it. The result? Abortions are cheaper, more abortionists are hired, the death mills stay open longer, etc. Ultimately, it makes no difference whether the tax payers’ money goes directly towards abortions or only indirectly.

Incidentally, John Boehner and the other Republicans have given in and agreed to keep funding Planned Parenthood.

This is truly a sad day-and the assault on the unborn marches on full steam ahead. What a terrible prospect for humanity.

 

[me0]

The planned parenthood funding does not appear to be certain. What they did was agree to have a separate vote on it.

politico.com/news/stories/0411/52858.html

I encourage you all to write to your Senators. I already have. I focused more on the contraception/“family planning” aspect since, to my understanding, there are barriers to federal funds being used to support abortion.

 

[Desert_Catholic]

The federal government does not provide abortion funding to Planned Parenthood. However, some pro-life advocates have argued that if non-abortion funding to PP could be cut, it would indirectly make abortions harder to obtain. And that is what the controversy was about.

The budget just passed retains funding to Planned Parenthood. However, the budget only is on valid for a few months.
edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/09/congress.budget/index.html

I suspect the PP funding issue will be revisited.

Money is fungible planned parenthood’s primary function is murdering babies in the womb. Giving a murderer a sandwich so he can continue murdering is aiding and abetting murder. You may say the peanut butter and jelly sandwich you provide didn’t kill anybody but now he can just go on murdering without stopping to make his own sandwich.,

340 million in tax payers money rolling around in planned parenthood allows them to concentrate on their primary mission of murdering babies ion the womb.

So yes tax payer money supports the murdering of babies.

No free mammograms, blood tests, or any life saving procedures are offered by PPH.

Catholics who support politicians who support murdering babies in the womb are in grave danger of losing the real battle, and that is for eternal life.

God Love Ya

DC

 

[Desert_Catholic]

Now that the shutdown has been avoided, will our tax dollars still go for abortions to Planned Parenthood. Does this budget still include funding to them?

Thanks.

Yep it does and the Vice President who supports abortion and lies about being Catholic delivered the ultimatum to Speaker Boener. Soldiers families will starve unless we can kill babies in the womb… The plan now is to unmask those who really support abortion in the Senate by making them vote on it. Some time in the future. But Harry Reid will avoid a vote like that at all costs and babies will be killed by us, through our proxies the President and vice President:

Pray for Our Nation when alleged Catholics can support abortion. I say alleged because if they do, they excommunicate themselves, and the merits of the Sacraments are withheld no matter who delivers the Sacrament.

God Love Ya

 

[j1akey]

So yes tax payer money supports the murdering of babies.

No free mammograms, blood tests, or any life saving procedures are offered by PPH.

DC

Actually Planned Parenthood offers several free services, Mammograms and Pap Smears being among them. Whether you are eligable for them or not varies from state to state, age, income level, etc.

Either way it is against federal law to fund abortions using federal money. If you are going to claim that it’s a shell game and it’s corrupt then please provide proof that they are using federal funds. If they were I would expect that someone would have won some lawsuits by now since this claim is quite old even if it is unproven.

This whole false war on abortion is really pretty hypocritical to me when I really think about it and here’s why.

According to the Guttmacher Institute some 87% private health insurance companies covered abortion in 2010. No doubt many people here complaining about funding abortion get their insurance from these same companies. If you were really serious about not funding abortion then you’d drop your health insurance carrier. You can’t do anything about having to pay taxes (which aren’t used for abortion anyway) but you can do something about paying health insurance premiums.

 

[Suudy]

Either way it is against federal law to fund abortions using federal money.

First of all, this is only true with regard to funds appropriated in the budget omnibus bill to which the Hyde amendment is attached. Funds appropriated in other acts (such as Obamacare’s CHC trust and the USAID grants) are not so limited. This is why executive orders such as the Mexico City Policy (which every Democrat president since Reagan as revoke) and Obama’s EO regarding Obamacare. So, it isn’t 100% accurate to say “it is against federal law to fund abortions using federal money.”

If you are going to claim that it’s a shell game and it’s corrupt then please provide proof that they are using federal funds. If they were I would expect that someone would have won some lawsuits by now since this claim is quite old even if it is unproven.

It appears that only direct funding of abortion is against the Hyde amendment. I think this has been understood to be the case for the same reason that only indirect taxes were previous legal (prior to the 16th amendment). Only direct funding is considered “funding”. But as pointed out by others, what is the actual effect of such funding? I posted an example earlier. It seems that the CAF search function is broken, so I’ll try to re-create it here:

Say I have $80 and I want to throw a party. I can buy 4 cases of beer at $15/case and have $20 for food. My buddy says “Hey, here’s $20. But only use it for food, not beer.” Well, now I have $100, and I buy 5 cases of beer and spend $35 on food. When my buddy shows up at the party and notices I have 5 cases instead of the 4 I originally planned to buy, he says “Hey! I told you not to use my money for beer!” Do you think he’ll buy my response of “Well, technically, I didn’t use your money. I used your $20 and $15 of my money to buy food and I used the rest to buy beer.”

The point is that his donation enabled me to act directly contrary to his wishes. It opened the door for more spending on beer while also increasing by food spending. So why should it be any different from abortion? As estesbob pointed out, do you really think PP keeps separate buckets for receptionists dealing with health care patients and abortion patients? What about supplies, such as syringes, bandages, medication (other than those directly intended for abortion), office cleaning, accounting, heat, phones, etc? Every single one of those tangentially related items are funded by federal dollars making it much easier for PP to perform abortions.

According to the Guttmacher Institute some 87% private health insurance companies covered abortion in 2010.

Ummm…so? This is different than federal tax dollars. What private individuals choose to do with their money on (currently) legal activities is their business. What private individuals do with government money is everyone’s business. See the difference?

No doubt many people here complaining about funding abortion get their insurance from these same companies. If you were really serious about not funding abortion then you’d drop your health insurance carrier. You can’t do anything about having to pay taxes (which aren’t used for abortion anyway) but you can do something about paying health insurance premiums.

As for dropping insurance carriers, there are pro-life people who do exactly that. I know my company has refused to contract coverage for abortion coverage for numerous reasons: 1) it isn’t a “health care” service and 2) it keeps costs down. Further, many individuals have no choice of plans provided by their employers. Finally, many push back hard against employers and companies that provide coverage for abortion.

So no, it isn’t “hypocritical” since many do fight it, even in the private sector. But since the private sector is, well, private, how can we interfere as long as abortion remains legal? Since government funds are public (*res publica), *it gets a very different level of scrutiny.

 

[DawnInTexas]

Actually Planned Parenthood offers several free services, Mammograms and Pap Smears being among them. Whether you are eligable for them or not varies from state to state, age, income level, etc…

No-Planned Parenthood will refer you elsewhere for a Mammogram.
You must have been missing while we were (just) discussing this.

Ladies—take it from someone who has had Cancer—go to a Medical Doctor, not a nurse at an Abortion Clinic-for your pap smears. Preferrably, an Ob/Gyn.

Doctors are only at PP abortion clinics-on abortion day.

When you are dealing with your future family-you will want a Doctor.

Many women regret not doing this.

Unlike Harry Reid, who apparently plans on sending his wife, daughters and granddaughters to Planned Parenthood—I, myself, would do whatever it took-to send my daughters to an M.D.

God Bless you.
+Jesus, I Trust In You!
Love, Dawn