grace and dependant origination

[billcu1]

There is no other righteousness except that of Christ. Not Buddha, not Allah, not any one. You say you are a Roman Catholic - here is a quote from the “first pope” regarding Christ and our salvation:

“And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” [Acts 4:12]

If you are struggling, I can tell you that if you lean upon Christ and trust on him, and upon no one or nothing else, you will find peace and comfort. It is he who “is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them” (Heb 7:25). No one else will give such intercession before the Father.

You speak as if there’s a difference in Christ, buddha, ec cetra. Have you read their works? If you knew what I did and understood them your interpretation of Acts 4:12 would be called into doubt. I’m not saying the scripture is wrong period it sounds like this is for the church. It’s your interpretation.

God Bless

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

If I have misinterpreted Acts 4:12, I welcome your rebuke and counterexegesis.

 

[billcu1]

If I have misinterpreted Acts 4:12, I welcome your rebuke and counterexegesis.

No rebuke at all. That’s a common belief and it’s true in a way. For us christians. Let’s take a bible study for example. I don’t know how much you know about judaism but you should be pretty proficent with it to understand even how the bible’s written. For example after the flood common belief is that there were 8 people left. Incest is a sin so how did the elect keep from sinning. The high priests and Abraham communicated with god through divination. Yet it’s a mortal sin in my faith. Onan was struck dead by god for spilling his seed on the ground. This happens all the time and he’s the only person I’ve ever heard of being struck dead. Scriptures are written in allegory even moreso than literally. Study the tanauk. That’s the best old testament in existance. And kabbala, talmud and so on. Then you can begin to see these things. Even the targum would help.

The scriptures aren’t lying so much as written in allegory and translators and so on down the years didn’t always see this. A lot of times they weren’t meant to. Your doing fine IMO in all you’ve said. Before you can understand comparative religion you must understand your own.

GB you.

 

[billcu1]

There is no other righteousness except that of Christ. Not Buddha, not Allah, not any one. You say you are a Roman Catholic - here is a quote from the “first pope” regarding Christ and our salvation:

“And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” [Acts 4:12]

If you are struggling, I can tell you that if you lean upon Christ and trust on him, and upon no one or nothing else, you will find peace and comfort. It is he who “is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them” (Heb 7:25). No one else will give such intercession before the Father.

I often find in prayer putting problems and cares onto the cross helps. Theologica germanica says all sin is is turning away from the unchanging to the changing.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

No rebuke at all. That’s a common belief and it’s true in a way. For us christians. Let’s take a bible study for example. I don’t know how much you know about judaism but you should be pretty proficent with it to understand even how the bible’s written. For example after the flood common belief is that there were 8 people left. Incest is a sin so how did the elect keep from sinning.

That has been explained countless times by Christians before. I would suggest researching their responses, especially in regards to Adam and Eve and their offspring.

The high priests and Abraham communicated with god through divination. Yet it’s a mortal sin in my faith.

I am not aware of them talking to God through divination, therefore I’m uncertain what you’re talking about.

Onan was struck dead by god for spilling his seed on the ground. This happens all the time and he’s the only person I’ve ever heard of being struck dead.

I would suggest a study of that story a bit closer. For one, Onan did it a couple of times, not just once (Gen 38:9). Also, his sin was not so much the fact he spilled his seed, but that he rejected his father’s advice to “go in to your brother’s wife and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother” (Gen 38:8) for selfish reasons. The incident also had long-term effects: Tamar was sent away by Judah for the next brother to Er and Onan would die, Judah and Tamar met and conceived of children, from whose lineage came Christ (Mt 1:3).

Scriptures are written in allegory even moreso than literally.

Jesus and the apostles did not think so. They often quoted scripture as fact. Can you give an example where Christ and the apostles said or treated the scriptures as simply allegory?

Also, that you can’t explain certain contradictions isn’t evidence something is automatically allegory.

Before you can understand comparative religion you must understand your own.

With all due respect, from our conversation, which displayed you haven’t really read into what Christians have said about certain problems and issues, as well as your constant refusal to go to scripture, as well as your inability to respond to simple accusations like “How have I misused Acts 4:12”, I think the person who doesn’t really understand the faith they claim to belong to is yourself. You should not be running and finding truth in other religions when you do not even grasp the truth that is in Christ. Again, before you respond or attempt to defend yourself, I ask you to consider your salvation with all seriousness.

 

[billcu1]

I would suggest a study of that story a bit closer. For one, Onan did it a couple of times, not just once (Gen 38:9). Also, his sin was not so much the fact he spilled his seed, but that he rejected his father’s advice to “go in to your brother’s wife and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother” (Gen 38:8) for selfish reasons. The incident also had long-term effects: Tamar was sent away by Judah for the next brother to Er and Onan would die, Judah and Tamar met and conceived of children, from whose lineage came Christ (Mt 1:3).

Jesus and the apostles did not think so. They often quoted scripture as fact. Can you give an example where Christ and the apostles said or treated the scriptures as simply allegory?

Also, that you can’t explain certain contradictions isn’t evidence something is automatically allegory.

The catholic church and judaism if you will look deep enough calls Genesis and two people in a garden “mythology”. It is spoken in allegory. Eating of fruit and so on. It’s not a commonly known thing. But the priests I have talked to in the church theologically agree the story has meaning but not as literal. The story is true but it’s not what you think.

 

[SteveVH]

There is a secret knowledge but it’s only secret because people don’t want to look or are not at that point yet which is fine. We are on different places on the sme path. Your talking dogmatic theology. At this point in time I am having a real problem with that. Pray for me. Jesus taught different people different things. The church has Constantine with them. They would not lose. What you are seeing is someone who looks at different points and perspectives.

Glod bless

Jesus commanded his Apostles to go out and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. They were to keep nothing secret, rather they were to go out to the whole world and preach the Gospel. So-called “Secret knowledge” is the essence of gnosticism; some are worthy of it and others are not. This is the antithesis of Christianity which is called to spread the revealed truth of God to everyone.

I will pray for you.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

I will pray for you.

As will I.

Be safe, billcu1.