Granddaughter Cannot Be Baptized Catholic

[pianistclare]

It has always depended on the point of view hasn’t it? At least historically and within the Church.

Well your point of view is very bitter and jaded. Nobody around here operates like that.
The OP has been given plenty of good answers. You are the clouding the issue by grinding this axe.
Your “experience” has no bearing on the OP’s situation.
The priests is rightly being pastoral and trying to help the family get on the right track. The child is not being denied. The parents are receiving proper instruction prior to their promises. Which is a very good thing.

 

[unstoppable_II]

Yes - The Catholic Church recognizes most protestant baptisms. …

I think this pre-supposes the parents are practicing members of the Protestant church.

 

[santiagoamr]

Why don’t you just baptize your granddaughter yourself, you seem to have all the answers. Of course, the truth is, you’d rather force the priest to do whatever it is you want just out of ritual and social reasons. It does not seem that imparting the Catholic faith is something that interests you.

I shouldn’t even answer your post, but I feel uncharitable and want you to look like the fool you seem to be. I do not have a grand daughter. I did not start this thread.

 

[SyroMalankara]

Exactly my point. In order to make a promise one does not need to be clean of sin. This applies to god parents and parents alike.

The promises are made by the godparents and parents. The promise to raise your grand daughter Catholic, has to be made by someone who is practicing Catholic, not someone practicing anti-Catholic. Pretending to be married without being married is anti-Catholic

The baptism should not be hindered just because there is sin in the life of the persons that are not receiving the sacrament.

If your grand daughter had parents that will raise her Catholic, that person could promise to raise her Catholic. A Buddhist or Hindu or non-practicing Catholic can’t promise to raise anyone Catholic. Basic. Common. Sense.

Imagine going in to confession without being baptised in the first place.

Why? Imagine promising something that can’t be fulfilled

Also if I am an adult and would want to be baptised without parents just god parents, do I have to confess my sins first? Isn’t confession for those that are baptised?

Your grandchild doesn’t have to confess, no one asked the child to.

 

[santiagoamr]

Well your point of view is very bitter and jaded. Nobody around here operates like that.
The OP has been given plenty of good answers. You are the clouding the issue by grinding this axe.
Your “experience” has no bearing on the OP’s situation.
The priests is rightly being pastoral and trying to help the family get on the right track. The child is not being denied. The parents are receiving proper instruction prior to their promises. Which is a very good thing.

The child has already been denied momentarily what are you talking about? And what if the parents just lost faith and did not want to follow up like many people I know that get lost in the way because of this kind of BS

 

[SyroMalankara]

The child has already been denied momentarily what are you talking about? And what if the parents just lost faith and did not want to follow up like many people I know that get lost in the way because of this kind of BS

What’s BS about it? Is it always me me me, I want it this way… why not do what the priest said? Will any harm come to anyone?

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

I think the Church, under Francis is moving more toward a more open baptism.

I also think that if the OPs kids went in and the priest said why do you want to baptize your kid and they said “well to make my parents happy” or :because it is a cultural thing to do" then there may well be some concern. I think it reasonable to express some reservation about this if the parents will not educate the child in the faith and participate in the sacraments including Mass on a regular basis. Because if the child is going to be raised in the home of non practicing people, it may be better to wait until the RCIA to educate this soul. There is a problem of having uneducated Catholics in today’s world. And if there is worry over formation, it may be prudent to wait. However Francis has been more on the “baptism is necessary for salvation so we should not withhold it from anyone who wishes it.” The problem here is that the infant cannot express their wishes and the parents may have dubious reasons for doing this.

A better question for the OP is how to be concerned and correct their own child (the parent of the infant) and bring them into the fold of salvation… It would seem that should be the grandparents first concern.

Why is it that grandparents seem to make a big deal out of this type of thing when it is their own children who need a sacrament and a sacrament right now!

 

[SyroMalankara]

I shouldn’t even answer your post, but I feel uncharitable and want you to look like the fool you seem to be. I do not have a grand daughter. I did not start this thread.

I think anyone that has the ability to read can see that the adjective mentioned describes only one of the two of us. And. It’s. Clearly. Not. Me.

I am embarrassed on your behalf as a human person.

 

[santiagoamr]

You had me at papal knight. The worst case of humility I can see. That is what knighthood is the perfect solution to kill humility. and you call this discussion cynical.

 

[santiagoamr]

I think anyone that has the ability to read can see that the adjective mentioned describes only one of the two of us. And. It’s. Clearly. Not. Me.

I am embarrassed on your behalf as a human person.

Thank you for you charity and your attack to my person.

 

[santiagoamr]

Any body else wants to show their true colors?

 

[santiagoamr]

Yes you have. 0 Charity, and a lot of pride, at least I do not hide or say otherwise.

 

[unstoppable_II]

Great answer. The Hierarchy of the Church forgets about this most of the time, they are the worst example of Charity and Justice, and promulgate laws that only benefit a human organization instead of a supernatural organization that is the Church.

A priest once told me that if he became convinced the Catholic Church did not teach the truth, he had an obligation to find the truth elsewhere. You might consider that.

 

[santiagoamr]

A priest once told me that if he became convinced the Catholic Church did not teach the truth, he had an obligation to find the truth elsewhere. You might consider that.

I do not believe that one bit. I do believe in the Catholic Church, but not its hierarchy or it’s Cannon Law, which by the way none of those things are the Catholic Church.

 

[unstoppable_II]

I do not believe that one bit. I do believe in the Catholic Church, but not its hierarchy or it’s Cannon Law, which by the way none of those things are the Catholic Church.

If you take away all the things you don’t believe in, what is left? Doesn’t’ sound like you believe in the Catholic Church.

 

[pianistclare]

The child has already been denied momentarily what are you talking about? And what if the parents just lost faith and did not want to follow up like many people I know that get lost in the way because of this kind of BS

And I know many parents who wait because they want a party or wait until someone gets back from deployment, or granpa is out of the hospital, a variety reasons. .So people wait all the time. For many reasons. It’s not a card to be punched.
Waiting is not an issue of you have faith and a real desire for Baptism, which is sounds like they have,. They are seeking reconciliation from a time of being away from the faith. Why can’t you encourage and support them instead if derailing the thread.

 

[santiagoamr]

If you take away all the things you don’t believe in, what is left? Doesn’t’ sound like you believe in the Catholic Church.

If your definition of the Catholic Church is the Hierarchy and it’s laws, then I do not believe in the Catholic Church, and that is a good thing. But it is better knowing that those are not the Catholic Church. Thank Jesus!!!

 

[santiagoamr]

And I know many parents who wait because they want a party or wait until someone gets back from deployment, or granpa is out of the hospital, a variety reasons. .So people wait all the time. For many reasons. It’s not a card to be punched.
Waiting is not an issue of you have faith and a real desire for Baptism, which is sounds like they have,. They are seeking reconciliation from a time of being away from the faith. Why can’t you encourage and support them instead if derailing the thread.

I am not doing that. It is good for them, good for all of us. But it is not the case with the majority of people i know. Many have a moment of lucidity and want to baptise they children or correct their marital status, but with all of these constraints, they end up losing hope and faith and less people that should become baptised end up being lost just because a prideful being does not want to. The best answer given in this thread was the link? Did you even read it? and it was not mine, it were the popes words not mine.
:“When I was young I was rather more severe. I said: the sacraments are the sacraments of the faith, and when the faith isn’t there, where there’s not practice of the faith, the sacraments can’t be conferred. . . . * have realized that we have to follow instead the example of the Lord, who was very open also with the people who were at the margins of Israel at that time. He was a Lord of mercy, too open—according to many of the official authorities—with sinners, welcoming them or allowing himself to be welcomed by them at their dinners, drawing them to himself in his communion. (Audience with Priests, August 6, 2008)”

So after reading this and giving it many years of thought I call BS on all worldly arguments that just serve the devil better than MY CHURCH and MY GOD*

 

[twoshoes]

Because in order to baptize an infant, the parents promise to raise the child Catholic. But also the priest has feel that there is a strong hope that the child will be raised Catholic.

All priests differ in how they deal with this. Some require new parishioners to attend mass for 6 months before they baptize the child, while other are extremely trusting.

The point is that the priest must be faithful to his conscience in whether he believes the child will be raised Catholic or not by the parents. If not, then he cannot Baptize them.

There is a lot more theology and dogma behind this based on how the Sacrament of Baptism works. When you study the way adults are Baptized, then it starts to make sense. The parents are promising on the child’s behalf and promising that they will fulfill that promise.

If the priest feels that the parent will not fulfill the promise, then the priest cannot baptize the child because the baptismal promises would not made in honestly.

That’s why this priest is asking the parents to start attending Mass and work on regularizing their marriage. It will show the priest that the parents are taking the faith seriously and increase the priests confidence that the child will be raised in the faith.

Again, I’m sure there will be better answers here and there are answers out there with a lot more theological and dogmatic depth.

God Bless.

This is one of the more thoughtless position a priest can take. You are going to condemn an infants soul to Hell because you believe the parents are living in sin. This soul is Gods not the priest. As my favorite Priest says at the beginning of every Mass," I’m a sinner how about you". We are all sinners to one degree or another.

 

[phil19034]

You had me at papal knight. The worst case of humility I can see. That is what knighthood is the perfect solution to kill humility. and you call this discussion cynical.

I’m sorry, but this is no way to speak to an ordained Deacon.