Grandparents.

[jimmyd]

Press Release. Immediate. 9th February 2007

Grandparents Apart Self Help Group Scotland have been campaigning to prevent such horrors like this

Jurors heard the youngster was in almost constant agony until her grandmother began to suspect what was going on and called in social services.

• Couple jailed for child torture *
A couple who caused their four-year-old daughter “horrific injuries” are jailed for a total of 22 years.
Full story:
news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/-/1/hi/england/london/6343693.stm

Question:-

How do we spot child abuse as early as possible and stop children being used as weapons and blackmail .

Answer:-

We make the ‘Charter for Grandchildren’ legal. And the child must have an automatic legal right of contact with their grandparents especially in a time of huge increases in child abuse in the home, due to drugs and alcohol abuse. (see NSPCC reports in their full stop adverts)

Why grandparents especially?.

Grandparents are the biggest carer of children from problem homes when the parents are not available and above all have a strong family love bond and are usually more than willing to care for their grandchildren.

If there is conflict, then questions should be asked why contact is refused. A banning order should only be granted in cases of violence, not just on the evidence of the resident parent and partner which is usually in their own best selfish interests and the courts today are falling for the comedy, making our family laws a joke. These theatricals deprive children of the love and protection of their grandparents. The law is protecting the abusers with these banning orders given on demand.

Ends

Grandparents Apart Self Help Group Scotland
Jimmy Deuchars.
22 Alness Crescent
Glasgow G52 1PJ
0141 882 5658
james@grandparents.fsnet.co.uk
www.grandparentsapart.co.uk

 

[Rob_s_Wife]

What more can I say?
I hope it fails in every way to ever be a law.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

What more can I say?
I hope it fails in every way to ever be a law.

I agree- and I am a grandmother raising two granddaughters. This kind of “feel good” law to attempt to appease everybody gets no place, and errodes family values, not strengthens them.

 

[newf]

What more can I say?
I hope it fails in every way to ever be a law.

Count me in, too. I hope this law fails bigtime.

 

[jimmyd]

All i have seen in this christian forum is bitterness. Now three of you wants the law to fail.
Nobody wants to interfere with mothers and children when all is well, as i have repeatedly stated.
Do you really mean you want children that are vulnerable to go unprotected and abused, that’s what it sounds like.
The granny who agrees with you would be singing another tune if she was deprived of her grandchildren through no fault of her own and they were being neglected.
It looks to me you care only for your own selfish means.
Check out our forum for horryfying stories.
garandparentsapart.co.uk/forum/
or our book ‘Grandparents Speak out for vulnerable Children’
on our website grandparentsapart.co.uk

 

[Rob_s_Wife]

All i have seen in this christian forum is bitterness. Now three of you wants the law to fail.
Nobody wants to interfere with mothers and children when all is well, as i have repeatedly stated.
No, that is NOT what you have stated. You have stated that grandparents should have the right to another’s child. Period. Whether there is abuse or not. In fact, you have insinutated strongly that simply not being allowed contact is in itself abuse. It is not.
Do you really mean you want children that are vulnerable to go unprotected and abused, that’s what it sounds like.
The granny who agrees with you would be singing another tune if she was deprived of her grandchildren through no fault of her own and they were being neglected.
Children who are abused don’t need granny to come visit on the weekend. They need to be removed from the home.
It looks to me you care only for your own selfish means.
I feel the same way about you. It appears all you and your organization cares about is power-tripping over someone else’s kid and forcing your way into the lives of your adult children, who would rather move on without you. Doesn’t matter that you don’t have a decent relationship with your own kid, you should get a chance on grandkids. I can understand regret and pain and sadness - but that doesn’t give you any “right” to someone else’s kid. And as a previous poster mentioned, with rights come responsiblity, which I bet would make most grandparents in your organiziaion think twice about wanting right to grandchildren.
Check out our forum for horryfying stories.
garandparentsapart.co.uk/forum/
or our book ‘Grandparents Speak out for vulnerable Children’
on our website grandparentsapart.co.uk
Back at you. Check anywhere right here on CAF and you will see tales of grown adults trying to do better by their kids than their parents did by them. Do any search engine and you’ll find plenty of the same. You’ll see more than 1 or 2 tales of grandparents that intrude and ruin parent-child relationships.]

 

[jimmyd]

Robs Wife

The whole concept of our organisation is to keep in contact with our own grandchildren and to protect them from abuse. We would go extreme lengths to achieve this via the good christian way of forgiving and turning the other cheek to bring harmony and love into a child’s life.

I have looked for a middle road with you but there is none. The bitterness in your postings jumps out to me and quite frankly i am sorry for your bad experiences in life but not all grandparents are like you describe.

My education on this forum has come to an end. There is nothing more i can learn from you and to enter into a slanging match would not be productive . So bye bye.

And i will say God bless You.

 

[gardenswithkids]

All i have seen in this christian forum is bitterness…

Bitter? No. I simply don’t agree with you on visitation “rights” of grandparents. You repeatedly ignore the fact that parents who abuse their children may one day be grandparents.

…Nobody wants to interfere with mothers and children when all is well, as i have repeatedly stated.
Do you really mean you want children that are vulnerable to go unprotected and abused, that’s what it sounds like…

But such “grandparent visitation” laws that you propose would also be abused. Of course children should be protected from abuse, but I fail to see how the law you propose would protect children. Some don’t have living grandparents or involved grandparents, and the system must protect them as well.

And you still have not addressed the possibility of the* grandparents* as a source of abuse.

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I want to highlight something jimmyd wrote in an earlier post:

…it was Joe himself that noticed this and left after her son phoned up the police and told them that Joe had hit him which was not true and the police got to the bottom of it. She herself was a very violent person goading Joe who is a very non-violent person into hitting her. She really only wanted Joe but not the girls and had no love for them at all.

:ehh: First jimmyd claims the allegation of child abuse by the father was not true, then jimmyd goes onto write that it is the stepmother’s fault that she got hit. This sounds like a troubled family, but I don’t see how visits by a grandparent would correct the problems–especially if the grandparent excuses the person who hits.

My children’s grandparents are welcome in my home. I don’t need a law to give them rights to access their grandchildren. But not every grandparent is emotionally healthy, and some are even abusive. If abuse is happening, don’t just monitor it with grandparent visits–fix the situation!