Greeting a Kafir

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Since Planten has been bringing up the word “Kafir” frequently and it applies to non-Muslims, I thought I’d start this thread which gives us a very good idea of how Muslims view unbelievers.

This is a question and answer from Islamqa, an authentic Muslim site:

Is it permissible for a Muslim to great a non-Muslim first?.

Praise be to Allaah.
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on greeting non-Muslims. He replied as follows:
Greeting a non-Muslim first is haraam and is not permitted, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not initiate the greeting with the Jews and Christians, and if you meet them in the street push them towards the narrowest part of it.” But if they greet us we have to respond to them, because of the general meaning of the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“When you are greeted with a greeting, greet in return with what is better than it, or (at least) return it equally”
[al-Nisa’ 4:86]
The Jews used to greet the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by saying, “Al-saam ‘alaykum ya Muhammad (Death be upon you, O Muhammad),” praying that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would die. So the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Jews say ‘al-saam ‘alaykum (death be upon you),’ so if they greet you, then say, ‘Wa ‘alaykum (and also upon you).’”
If a non-Muslim greets a Muslim by saying “al-saamu ‘alaykum,” then we should respond by saying “wa ‘alaykum (and also upon you).” The fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said “wa ‘alaykum” indicates that if they were saying “al-salaamu ‘alaykum (peace be upon you),” then peace will also be upon them, i.e., whatever they say to us, we say to them. Hence some of the scholars said that if a Jew, Christian or other non-Muslim clearly says “al-salaamu ‘alaykum,” it is permissible for us to say “ ‘alaykum al-salaam (upon you be peace).”
Similarly it is not permissible to initiate a greeting such as Ahlan wa sahlan (welcome) and the like, because that is a kind of honouring them. But if they say something like that to us, then we should say something similar to them, because the greeting should be returned in like manner and each person should be given his due. **It is well known that the Muslims are higher in status before Allaah, so they should not humiliate themselves in front of non-Muslims by greeting them first. **
**So, in conclusion, it is not permissible for us to greet non-Muslims first, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade that, and because this is a humiliation for the Muslim when he starts to honour a non-Muslim. The Muslim is higher in status before Allaah, so he should not humiliate himself in this manner. But if we are greeted then we should return the greeting in similar terms. **
Similarly it is not permissible for us to greet them first with words such as Ahlan wa sahlan (welcome), Marhaban (hello) and so on, because that is a kind of honouring them, so it is like initiating the greeting of salaams with them. Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 3/33.

If there is a need to greet a kaafir first, there is no sin in that, but it should be something other than the greeting of salaam, such as saying Ahlan wa sahlan or How are you, etc. In that case the greeting is for a reason, not to honour him.
See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 25/168.
Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Zaad al-Ma’aad (2/424), concerning greeting a kaafir first:

A group of scholars said: It is permissible to greet him first if that serves a purpose, or for fear of his harm, or because of blood ties, or for a reason that requires that.
And Allaah knows best.

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I’ll be interested to see the Muslim response. If this is accurate this is insanity.
 
Greeting a non-Muslim first is haraam and is not permitted, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not initiate the greeting with the Jews and Christians, and if you meet them in the street push them towards the narrowest part of it.”

**See how polite and respectful Mahometans are to those of other faiths?

I bear witness there is NO GOD but Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and Jesus is God Incarnate risen from the dead!**
 
I’ll be interested to see the Muslim response. If this is accurate this is insanity.
It is as accurate as it gets. If you have Moslem friends, ask them. And they think the Jews are arrogant. :rolleyes:
 
It is as accurate as it gets. If you have Moslem friends, ask them. And they think the Jews are arrogant. :rolleyes:
Pray for their conversion.Wasn’t Fatima the name of Mohammed’s daughter?Our Lady of Fatima please lead the muslims to your son.
 
I have muslim friends and family members. They initiate greetings all the time and do not subscribe to this nonsense.

Remember, this is just one person’s opinion on a q and a forum - their traditions are open to interpretation by both the wise and the foolish.
 
Salaam/peace

Greeting a non-Muslim first is haraam
by Dr. Zakir Naik

Making ‘Salam’ to non-Muslims
  1. Greet back more courteously:
It is mentioned in the Qur’an in Surah Nisa Chapter 4 verse 86

“When a (courteous) greeting is offered you, meet it with a greeting still more Courteous, or (at least) of equal courtesy. Allah takes careful account of all things.” [Al-Qur’an 4:86]

If someone wishes you ‘Assalamu Alaykum’ (meaning Peace be on you) you have to wish back more courteously ‘Wa Alaykum Salam Wa Rahmatullah’ (Peace and mercy of Allah be upon you).

If someone wishes you ‘Assalamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullah’ then you have to wish back ‘Wa Alaykum Assalam Wa Rahamatullahi Wa Barkatuhu’ (May peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be on you).

If someone says ‘Assalamu Alaykum’, you can say loudly, with expression of enthusiasm ‘Walaykum Assalam’. Though the words are the same they emerge from the depth of one’s heart with more feelings. This is also more courteous.

If someone wishes you (with expression) ‘Assalamu Alaykum Wa Rahamatullahi Wa Barkatuhu’ and if you cannot greet back more courteously then atleast greet back with equal courtesy (with expression) ‘Wa Alaykum Assalam Wa Rahmatullah Wa Barkatuhu’.
  1. Many Muslims think that we cannot wish Salaams to a Non-Muslim:
**There is a misconception among many Muslims **who think that a Muslim cannot wish ‘Assalamu Alaykum’ to a Non-Muslim nor can he reply to the salutation.

In Sahih Muslim in the “Kitab us Salaam” chapter 904 Hadith no. 5382 Allah’s Messenger (Pbuh) is reported to have said, "when the Jews offer you salutations, some of them say ‘Assam-Alaykum’ (death be on you). You should say (in response to it) ‘let it be upon you’ i.e. ‘Alaykum’.
  1. Qur’an gives permission to wish ‘Assalamu Alaykum’ to Non-Muslims:
a. The Qur’an mentions in Surah Mariam chapter 19 verse 41 - 46 that the father of Prophet Ibrahim was a mushrik (polytheist) and associated partners with God. When Prophet Ibrahim (Pbuh) asked his father not to serve the satan, his father replied, ‘I will stone you’ and removed Ibrahim out of the house. Prophet Ibrahim (Pbuh) replies in Surah Mariam chapter 19 verse 47

“Abraham said: ‘peace be on thee (Assalaamu Alaykum): I will pray to my Lord for thy forgiveness: for He is to me Most Gracious.’” [Al-Qur’an 19:47]

b. Allaah instructs Moses and Aaron in Surah Taha chapter 20 verse 47

that when they go to Pharoah they should say: “And Peace (Salaams) to all who follow guidance”. [Al-Qur’an 20:47]

This was the same greeting also used by Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) to greet Non-Muslim rulers.

c. Surah Al Furqan chapter 25 verse 63

“And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, ‘Peace!’ (salaam).” [Al-Qur’an 25:63]

d. Surah Al Qasas chapter 28 verse 55 (28:55)

"And when they hear vain talk, they turn away there from and say: ‘to us our deeds, and to you yours; peace (Salaams) be to you: we Seek not the ignorant.’ " [Al-Qur’an 28:55]

islamic-shield.com/2007/10/making-salam-to-non-muslims.html
 
Pray for their conversion.Wasn’t Fatima the name of Mohammed’s daughter?Our Lady of Fatima please lead the muslims to your son.
Yes, and notice what Our Lady is trampling upon in the Guadalupe image and in Apocalypse 12–a crescent moon!
 
Salaam/peace

by Dr. Zakir Naik

Making ‘Salam’ to non-Muslims
  1. Greet back more courteously:
It is mentioned in the Qur’an in Surah Nisa Chapter 4 verse 86

“When a (courteous) greeting is offered you, meet it with a greeting still more Courteous, or (at least) of equal courtesy. Allah takes careful account of all things.” [Al-Qur’an 4:86]

If someone wishes you ‘Assalamu Alaykum’ (meaning Peace be on you) you have to wish back more courteously ‘Wa Alaykum Salam Wa Rahmatullah’ (Peace and mercy of Allah be upon you).

If someone wishes you ‘Assalamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullah’ then you have to wish back ‘Wa Alaykum Assalam Wa Rahamatullahi Wa Barkatuhu’ (May peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be on you).

If someone says ‘Assalamu Alaykum’, you can say loudly, with expression of enthusiasm ‘Walaykum Assalam’. Though the words are the same they emerge from the depth of one’s heart with more feelings. This is also more courteous.

If someone wishes you (with expression) ‘Assalamu Alaykum Wa Rahamatullahi Wa Barkatuhu’ and if you cannot greet back more courteously then atleast greet back with equal courtesy (with expression) ‘Wa Alaykum Assalam Wa Rahmatullah Wa Barkatuhu’.
  1. Many Muslims think that we cannot wish Salaams to a Non-Muslim:
**There is a misconception among many Muslims **who think that a Muslim cannot wish ‘Assalamu Alaykum’ to a Non-Muslim nor can he reply to the salutation.

In Sahih Muslim in the “Kitab us Salaam” chapter 904 Hadith no. 5382 Allah’s Messenger (Pbuh) is reported to have said, "when the Jews offer you salutations, some of them say ‘Assam-Alaykum’ (death be on you). You should say (in response to it) ‘let it be upon you’ i.e. ‘Alaykum’.
  1. Qur’an gives permission to wish ‘Assalamu Alaykum’ to Non-Muslims:
a. The Qur’an mentions in Surah Mariam chapter 19 verse 41 - 46 that the father of Prophet Ibrahim was a mushrik (polytheist) and associated partners with God. When Prophet Ibrahim (Pbuh) asked his father not to serve the satan, his father replied, ‘I will stone you’ and removed Ibrahim out of the house. Prophet Ibrahim (Pbuh) replies in Surah Mariam chapter 19 verse 47

“Abraham said: ‘peace be on thee (Assalaamu Alaykum): I will pray to my Lord for thy forgiveness: for He is to me Most Gracious.’” [Al-Qur’an 19:47]

b. Allaah instructs Moses and Aaron in Surah Taha chapter 20 verse 47

that when they go to Pharoah they should say: “And Peace (Salaams) to all who follow guidance”. [Al-Qur’an 20:47]

This was the same greeting also used by Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) to greet Non-Muslim rulers.

c. Surah Al Furqan chapter 25 verse 63

“And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, ‘Peace!’ (salaam).” [Al-Qur’an 25:63]

d. Surah Al Qasas chapter 28 verse 55 (28:55)

"And when they hear vain talk, they turn away there from and say: ‘to us our deeds, and to you yours; peace (Salaams) be to you: we Seek not the ignorant.’ " [Al-Qur’an 28:55]

islamic-shield.com/2007/10/making-salam-to-non-muslims.html
No where do you address the article claiming that it is not permissible to initiate a greeting. Do you have no response to this?
 
Salaam/peace
No where do you address the article claiming that it is not permissible to initiate a greeting. Do you have no response to this?
u did not read the ans of Dr. Zakir.

He mentioned of the Prophets (p) -

Abraham said: ‘peace be on thee (Assalaamu Alaykum):

Allaah instructs Moses and Aaron in Surah Taha chapter 20 verse 47

that when they go to Pharoah they should say: “And Peace (Salaams) to all who follow guidance”. [Al-Qur’an 20:47]
 
Salaam/peace

u did not read the ans of Dr. Zakir.

He mentioned of the Prophets (p) -

Abraham said: ‘peace be on thee (Assalaamu Alaykum):

Allaah instructs Moses and Aaron in Surah Taha chapter 20 verse 47

that when they go to Pharoah they should say: “And Peace (Salaams) to all who follow guidance”. [Al-Qur’an 20:47]
I did read it.

Are you stating: it is ok for a Muslim to initiate a greeting?
 
From the original post

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Zaad al-Ma’aad (2/424), concerning greeting a kaafir first:

A group of scholars said: **It is permissible to greet him first **if that serves a purpose, or for fear of his harm, or because of blood ties, or for a reason that requires that.

I also think it’s worthwhile to point out that “kaafir” does not mean “non-Muslim.” Not every non-Muslim is a “kaafir.”
 
From the original post

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Zaad al-Ma’aad (2/424), concerning greeting a kaafir first:

A group of scholars said: **It is permissible to greet him first **if that serves a purpose, or for fear of his harm, or because of blood ties, or for a reason that requires that.

I also think it’s worthwhile to point out that “kaafir” does not mean “non-Muslim.” Not every non-Muslim is a “kaafir.”
What kind of purposes could it serve? Is being kind or polite one of them?

I can accept that not all non_muslims are kaafirs. However, how can you tell the difference walking down the street? Is it not better to assume that we all are kaafirs until shown otherwise?
 
What kind of purposes could it serve? Is being kind or polite one of them?
Yes.
I can accept that not all non_muslims are kaafirs. However, how can you tell the difference walking down the street? Is it not better to assume that we all are kaafirs until shown otherwise?
It’s probably not better to make assumptions like that.

Walking down the street, I don’t greet everyone that I pass. And that’s in Raleigh, NC. A Muslim walking down the street in Cairo, for example, passing mostly Muslims, probably wouldn’t greet everyone either.

If I see a Muslim on campus, for example, I will give them salams. (Assuming I’m near enough to them to do that.) It doesn’t matter if I know them or not–if I can tell they are a Muslim (either I’ve seen them at the mosque, they are wearing hijab or something which identifies them to me as a Muslim) then I will give them salaams. On campus I found that I actually received salaams pretty often from men who I couldn’t identify as Muslims, but who recognized me because of my hijab (headscarf.)

I will greet strangers if I know they are Muslim–at school, at work, on the bus, in the grocery store–with “As-salaamu alaikum.” And a smile. 🙂

Let’s suppose I pass someone else (who isn’t Muslim) at school or in the store who I know, who I am friends with. Would I greet them? Of course I would. With salaams? Of course not! They would neither expect it, nor would they (in most cases) appreciate it. It’s a foreign phrase. Why bother? I’d say “Howdy” or something similar to greet them instead.

But generally I don’t greet every stranger I pass anyway. Even if I’m at a Muslim convention and EVERYONE I walk by is a Muslim–even then I don’t greet everyone.

Am I making any sense here?
 
Yes.

It’s probably not better to make assumptions like that.

Walking down the street, I don’t greet everyone that I pass. And that’s in Raleigh, NC. A Muslim walking down the street in Cairo, for example, passing mostly Muslims, probably wouldn’t greet everyone either.

If I see a Muslim on campus, for example, I will give them salams. (Assuming I’m near enough to them to do that.) It doesn’t matter if I know them or not–if I can tell they are a Muslim (either I’ve seen them at the mosque, they are wearing hijab or something which identifies them to me as a Muslim) then I will give them salaams. On campus I found that I actually received salaams pretty often from men who I couldn’t identify as Muslims, but who recognized me because of my hijab (headscarf.)

I will greet strangers if I know they are Muslim–at school, at work, on the bus, in the grocery store–with “As-salaamu alaikum.” And a smile. 🙂

Let’s suppose I pass someone else (who isn’t Muslim) at school or in the store who I know, who I am friends with. Would I greet them? Of course I would. With salaams? Of course not! They would neither expect it, nor would they (in most cases) appreciate it. It’s a foreign phrase. Why bother? I’d say “Howdy” or something similar to greet them instead.

But generally I don’t greet every stranger I pass anyway. Even if I’m at a Muslim convention and EVERYONE I walk by is a Muslim–even then I don’t greet everyone.

Am I making any sense here?
Yes, that does make sense.

As a female Muslims, are there rules about who you can and cannot initiate conversation with?

If you cannot tell who is a kaafir, and you should not assume someone is, how can you tell that they are?
 
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