Grounds for Marriage Annulment in the Catholic Church

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JulianN said:
I can easily believe he’s never ‘lost’ a case; just not that all marriages that end in divorce are annulable.
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Obviously he is wrong in a certain way. I would say many Catholic marriages that end in divorce are valid Sacraments!

Yet, what can be gotten through shady representation is something different.
A JD is a secular degree. I wouldn’t call his approach manipulative, just arrogant. The person ‘refuting’ him will be the Defender of the Bond, who is equally or more qualified.
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Education is only part of the qualities that makes a case result in Truth. Genuine honesty and representation is just as significant, if not more.
 
I’ve not encountered a Defender of the Bond who was anything other than honest and hard-working.
 
Well he in his arrogance “beat” the defender of the bond in every instance.

My ONLY post is it needs a more pastoral approach.
 
Well Julian the sad thing is when you go through the annulment process you never meet the Defender of the Bond.
 
I understand that. But I’m not sure meeting him or her would change anything.

I have been through the process.
 
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I think it’s possible your diocesan Tribunal might. I’ve found many other Tribunals to be quite pastoral.
 
You know what everyone, my only prayer is no one is left one day with a Catholic spouse who divorces you and then you are the “left behind” spouse in a marriage presumed as valid “until PROVED” invalid or the other way around. It can affect your future in LARGE ways…

You presumed your marriage was valid and the Tribunal says no.

I love this Church and won’t leave but I did consider remarrying at one point in time without the final decision and decided if I did I would simply stay in the Church and not commune being one of the participants in the only worse in the Catholic sin you can participate in. Remarriage without an annulment.

Amen, and prayers for all on this discussion threat.
 
So have I. I am curious in what ways you found it pastoral.

God’s blessings to you that you felt as such.
 
My Tribunal was not pastoral. It is not “possible” it simply was not as such.
 
Thank you for your kinds words. Blessings to you.

It all turned out ok. I was scared the whole time and it was so personal in nature; every question about your child hood , your sex life etc.

I am a private person, I should clarify as such so it was very difficult t to me.

Hey Julian didn’t help my best witness my mother was anti Catholic and I had to BEG her to testify for I never shared our marriage troubles to anyone but my mother and sister out of respect for the father of my children, My husband whom I dearly loved at one point.
 
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Yes—I think the process naturally favors extroverts, who are much more likely to have witnesses that know more about a petitioner’s state of mind.
 
FloridaCatholic said:
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rcwitness:
I would say many Catholic marriages that end in divorce are valid Sacraments!
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Pope Francis disagrees. Redirect Notice
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This is more wishy washy remarks from him.

From your article:
While he initially said in unscripted comments that “the great majority of our sacramental marriages are null,” he later approved a revision of these remarks.

When the Vatican released its official transcript of the encounter the following day, they had changed the comment to say that “a portion of our sacramental marriages are null.”

I’ve also been told it’s much more difficult to get a decree of nullity for Sacramental marriages.

It seems that without his contemporaries keeping him grounded, Pope Francis says things that aren’t always accurate.
 
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inquiringmind12 said:
If a civil annulment is granted is it even more likely a church annulment will be as well?
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Two thoughts:
  • First, civil annulment and canonical nullity are two distinct notions. One does not influence the other.
  • Second, the kinds of considerations in each type of process are similar. So, if one finds an inability to consent to marriage, perhaps the other will, as well. However, the presence of one neither guarantees nor indicates that the other will happen.
Does that help?
 
MaryT777 said:
You spend one hour giving an oral testimony to the Tribunal or send off what most say is 50 at least pages of testimony to a bunch of Tribunal priests who have never been married nor met you to decide your future.
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Does a doctor need to have cancer in order to treat it? Does he have to sit down and get to know you personally in order to diagnose you?
 
MaryT777 said:
My ONLY post is it needs a more pastoral approach.
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This makes sense. However, it would seem that there’s the opportunity for the pastoral care at the local level – with your advocate, rather than with the tribunal itself.
 
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