Grounds for Marriage Annulment in the Catholic Church

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Oh, I don’t think he can, in Truth, but he may be able to convince a tribunal with the way he presents a case, or questions potential witnesses.

If he is determined to find a reason, over seeking the truth, he may be very, very skilled at it.
 
TheOldColonel said:
Rather, it’s Canon 1101, Simulation (Total or Partial cannot be determined from your description). Yet proof of a positive act of the will in rejecting certain goods of marriage (i.e. Bona) or rejection of marriage would be necessary such a case to progress beyond the evidentiary phase.
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That’s an interesting assesment.
 
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My trust would be in a tribunal to have intelligent clever people who see through the truth stretching and find what is truth and what is not.

RCwitness, I pray you are going to find some peace in your situation. Divorce and separation are never easy. truly.

However we cannot control our spouse, we must just accept and find some peace and happiness. if only for our children.

And for our own spiritual growth, in finding forgiveness and even learning to love the other person who is now also a father or mother figure in our children’s lives.
 
I really think you’re underestimating the education and experience of most Tribunal judges.

And here’s the thing—the process does not have to be infallible. Assuming all the parties are doing their best to ascertain the truth, one can follow their decision and not be sinning. If you, yourself, believe your own case is inaccurate, then you are bound to follow your conscience. But it would not bind your ex, because that person is trusting a Church decision.
 
I appreciate the sentiments. That’s what’s important. Finding peace with God.

If you knew my situation better, u would probably see how I’m trying to let go. But my wife is clinging on, for certain goods, but remaining very contemptful and sternly opposed to reconciliation at the same time. Such a complicated spirit. And I have made such mistakes, but truly am turning to Him for healing.

I will get through. God is willing, and I won’t give up the good fight.
 
JulianN said:
I really think you’re underestimating the education and experience of most Tribunal judges.

And here’s the thing—the process does not have to be infallible. Assuming all the parties are doing their best to ascertain the truth, one can follow their decision and not be sinning. If you, yourself, believe your own case is inaccurate, then you are bound to follow your conscience. But it would not bind your ex, because that person is trusting a Church decision.
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I do get that. And who knows if it would ever go to that (seeking annulment). It’s all such a turn off to me now.

I have gotten worked up about it because I’ve had so many people telling me to find someone new, or just get an annulment (not clergy).

I’ve made mistakes in times of great temptation, but I am passionate about my marriage. And also for the children. It really feels against my convictions to seek another woman. I’m married in my heart.
 
JulianN said:
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rcwitness:
thought we were talking about two Catholics. The “sacramental” marriage
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Well, it would have been sacramental if it had been found to be valid.
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Not sure what you mean…?
 
Had it not been annulled, it would have been a sacramental marriage. He was a Protestant.
 
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it sounds like she is seeking a property settlement of sorts? That would indicate she is not wanting reconciliation.
Its something you must accept if you want peace.
we all make mistakes. thats called being human!

who knows what God has in store for us down the track.
 
rcwitness said:
What other “ministries” are you referring to?
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Think about it for a second. Did people only go to Christ for moral teaching? Or did they come to Him for a range of reasons?
I don’t go to my pastor for psychological or emotional advice. I go to affirm what the Church Teaches! And we should expect that.
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No, but you can and should go to him for pastoral counseling, when necessary.
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If you have something relative about pastoral guidance outside of Church moral Teachings, then share.
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Sounds like there’s lots of pain being expressed in this thread with respect to what nullity is and how we should approach it. Plenty of pastoral counseling opportunity there… and pretty relevant here. 😉
rcwitness said:
I thought we were talking about two Catholics. The “sacramental” marriage.
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Psst… sacramental marriages happen between Christians, not just “two Catholics”. 😉
rcwitness said:
Later, one claims they did not agree with what was told them in Marriage prep, yet went through with the vows anyway. And now wants out of the Marriage, on account of the other committing sins (not forgiving).
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That’s “partial simulation”, not “ignorance which invalidates the will” or “apostasy”.
 
rcwitness said:
That’s an interesting assesment.
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That’s why I was saying, way upthread, that laity who don’t have experience with canon law actually do need a tribunal. When you hear a proper assessment of the situation, and can only say “that’s an interesting assessment” – because it differs from yours – then there’s an opportunity for humility and acceptance of what the Church actually does teach that’s being missed. 🤷‍♂️
 
Oh definitely not seeking reconciliation!

I have nothing but debt. 🙂
 
I’ve never been opposed to the Tribunal itself.

I have doubts about trusting it in grey areas for sure. Especially because it has to rely on other’s testimonies. But I’ve said from the beginning, that it can convince me of certain things. Discussion is fine.

I’m not in a place where I am going to go file civil divorce because I feel I have grounds that my Sacrament never existed. Even if I did, I may remain single for the sake of my wife opening her heart to Jesus.
 
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No, of course I am not obligated but I do find some truth it what he said.

May God less you and never say never (wink wink)
 
Sorry. You never know when you could be called to marriage again…
I meant May God bless you and sorry that was so poorly written.

I felt like you once and now I have met the Most Christian man I have ever met. Marriage is being discussed so I am glad my annulment has been granted.

Blessings…
 
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