Group: Prop 19 Would Mean Pot-Smoking at Work

[bbarrick8383]

I dont want to see it in public, I could care less if you do it at home.

The only pothead I know takes lunch at 3, goes home to smoke pot, comes back to work at 4 and leaves at 5. If he ever gets in an accident on his way too or from work, or at work he deserves what he gets. Outside of the home it should be illegal to smoke.

 

[Musicadmirer]

I’m going to enjoy voting to quash the California pothead’s dream of “legally” smoking dope on the job in November.

 

[RoncalliM]

Nicotine is a mind altering drug:

helpwithsmoking.com/effects-of-nicotine.php

The issue of driving is important. Lets extend the logic:

Assumption A: A driver who has recently smoked weed has a higher probability of getting in an accident than the mean driver.

Conclusion A: Weed should be illegal as it is a public health hazard

NOTE: This assumption has not been proven druglibrary.org/schaffer/misc/driving/dot78_1e.htm

Assumption B: A driver who has recently taken an anti-depressant has a higher probability of getting in an accident than the mean driver.

Conclusion B: Antidepressants should be illegal as they are a public health hazard:

NOTE: There is a body of literature that supports this. gradworks.umi.com/33/53/3353627.html

Assumption C: A driver who is an asian female has a higher probability of getting in an accident than the mean driver.

Conclusion C: Asian females should not be allowed to drive as they constitute a public health hazard

NOTE: Personal Experience.

Do you see where I am going with this?

 

[jilly4ski]

Assumption C: A driver who is an asian female has a higher probability of getting in an accident than the mean driver.

Conclusion C: Asian females should not be allowed to drive as they constitute a public health hazard

NOTE: Personal Experience.

Do you see where I am going with this?

And the assumption is the problem, the government would have to do research on a safe limit for marijuana consumption while driving. There is obviously a point where people are no longer able to drive, just like there is for alcohol. youtube.com/watch?v=bW5trBzVAzEThis means a lot of money for research and enforcement procedures, etc.

 

[GEddie]

Nicotine is a mind altering drug:

helpwithsmoking.com/effects-of-nicotine.php

The issue of driving is important. Lets extend the logic:

Assumption A: A driver who has recently smoked weed has a higher probability of getting in an accident than the mean driver.

Conclusion A: Weed should be illegal as it is a public health hazard

Assumption B: A driver who has recently taken an anti-depressant has a higher probability of getting in an accident than the mean driver.

Conclusion B: Antidepressants should be illegal as they are a public health hazard:

The difference being that one cannot buy and take antidepressants as the law now stands, without a medical prescription; and their effects have been well studied. There is no clandestine market for antidepressants. They are not “fun drugs.”

Whereas, with pot legalization, anybody who wants to “get mellow” will be able to buy and use it, and let’s not kid ourselves, it will be more prevalent then. The general society has no rubric for managing the public effects of pot, as the research on it that is done for every commercial drug has not been done.

A few thousand motor wrecks on the national road system is too high a price for making potheads’ lives easier.

ICXC NIKA.

 

[Black_Rose]

I’ll be happy to see a commercial with the Cy Young winner, Tim Lincecum, who was caught with marijuana and marijuana paraphernalia during a traffic stop in late 2009, endorsing Proposition 19 which would be appropriate for the Bay Area. Timmy’s still good though (2010: 3.41 ERA, K/9 9.4, BB/9 3.4, HR/9 0.8) but not dominating with the relatively mediocre walk rate, resulting in a FIP of 3.3, consistent with his actual ERA. Timmy is not like Dwight Gooden who used cocaine which contributed to his decline from his prime in 1985-86.

Drugs like cocaine should stay illegal though.

 

[RoncalliM]

The difference being that one cannot buy and take antidepressants as the law now stands, without a medical prescription; and their effects have been well studied. There is no clandestine market for antidepressants. They are not “fun drugs.”

Whereas, with pot legalization, anybody who wants to “get mellow” will be able to buy and use it, and let’s not kid ourselves, it will be more prevalent then. The general society has no rubric for managing the public effects of pot, as the research on it that is done for every commercial drug has not been done.

A few thousand motor wrecks on the national road system is too high a price for making potheads’ lives easier.

ICXC NIKA.

As a recent college graduate I can tell you that anti-depressants and pot are both extremely easy to get on the black market. Tons of college students get over-prescribed for all kinds of mind-altering drugs , sell them, then use the cash to buy…other mind altering drugs

I went to a “pharmacy” in Mexico once and the first words out of the “pharmacists” mouth were “valium or xanax?”.

The point as always- it is a waste of energy and money to try to make getting f’ed up illegal.

I think you are rather far removed from the realities of the drug market

 

[Corki]

And the assumption is the problem, the government would have to do research on a safe limit for marijuana consumption while driving. There is obviously a point where people are no longer able to drive, just like there is for alcohol. youtube.com/watch?v=bW5trBzVAzEThis means a lot of money for research and enforcement procedures, etc.

According to the summary of Prop 19 that I read, the laws regarding driving while impaired would not change with this law. Unlike alcohol, there is not a current minimum below which one can safely drive after smoking pot. So driving after smoking any pot would still be illegal, even if possession and consumption become legal.

 

[PatrickSebast]

I’m all for this. Mainly because it will means the money that is currently going to Mexican crime lords will go to the government instead. Certainly there needs to be regulation, and of course there would be, but it doesn’t seem like it would be any worse than alcohol. Personally I don’t find it appealing, but that doesn’t mean it is terrible.

 

[PatrickSebast]

Oh and we already have a lot of research regarding the effects of marijuana on driving. Just type the words “marijuana” and “driving” into google scholar. If you are familliar with the scientific and medical community you will recognize several top name medical and scienfific journals have multiple studies on the subject.

 

[MarianD]

Marijuana today, crack tomorrow! I wonder if the government will offer tax breaks to low income users?

That’s a slippery slope. Crack is clearly bad for people. It can kill people, ruin lives, and look how it’s affected so many Americans. Marijuana, on the other hand, makes you stupid for an hour and then you go back to normal with zero side effects.

Also, under the Controlled Substances Act, drug dealing would still be illegal and only the State Government could control the selling and use of the drug.

I’d never smoke it, but if cigarettes are legal, then marijuana should be legal as well. Marijuana has absolutely no side effects towards health, while cigarettes are the Angel of Death in hand-held form.

 

[GEddie]

I’d never smoke it, but if cigarettes are legal, then marijuana should be legal as well. Marijuana has absolutely no side effects towards health, while cigarettes are the Angel of Death in hand-held form.

No known side effects toward health.

If it is legal, and everybody is using it as a lifetime habit instead of as a youthful forbidden thrill, the health effects will begin to show. Combustion products have no place in our heads or breathing and blood systems. There cannot help but be health damage.

 

[Corki]

No known side effects toward health.

If it is legal, and everybody is using it as a lifetime habit instead of as a youthful forbidden thrill, the health effects will begin to show. Combustion products have no place in our heads or breathing and blood systems. There cannot help but be health damage.

Agreeing with GEddie.

It is completely false that smoking marijuans has no adverse health effects. Documented effects include effects on heart rythyms, including a 4 fold increase in heart attack risk, inhilation of 50% more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than cigarette smoking, the same increased risk of lung infections as cigarettes, etc.

drugabuse.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

 

[stringbeanduck]

I’d never smoke it, but if cigarettes are legal, then marijuana should be legal as well. Marijuana has absolutely no side effects towards health, while cigarettes are the Angel of Death in hand-held form

Smoking anything is unhealthy. As pointed out above studies do show that heavy marijuana use can cause damage to lungs, heart, etc. However this damage can be lessoned to a degree by vaporizing.