Groups lose nearly $300,000 from Catholic charity over gay marriage issue

[Mark121359]

While traditionalists are turning gay marriage into a moral, religious, and political debate, and treating the stories of LGBT individuals as objects to be scorned, MILLIONS of LGBT individuals are deep in pain.
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No. I believe that in fact it’s ***progressives ***who have conveniently turned this into a ***political ***debate while trying, deliberately and successfully I might add, to completely remove or diminish any moral or religious aspect of this topic all together!

By claiming that their sexuality is “disordered”, you are basically saying that their very existence is tragic and immoral. Language like this only serves to dehumanize and marginalize others.

Again, this is not us or traditionalists as you so often like to point out that is saying that homosexual acts are disordered. Instead it’s the CCC that speaks crystal clearly when it states; homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved. But remarkably, somehow you unknowingly or deliberately keep posting in direct opposition to the Church you proclaim to be a part of! And to top it off, you claim that this language “dehumanizes and marginalizes” but you conveniently fail to point out that the CCC also teaches that those with homosexual inclinations must be “accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.” Whether this is deliberate or not…I’m not a mind reader. But many of us on here refuse to let you get away with polluting any potential lurkers with such outright falsehoods, who may be truly seeking to learn the truth about the Catholic Faith and have genuine intentions of joining the Catholic Church in the future.

Peace, Mark

 

[CarolNoel]

First of all up until a several years ago, the APA stated that homosexuality was a “mental disorder”. Then later they changed their mind.

Second…there’s no such thing as a “progressive” Catholic, “liberal” Catholic, etc…you’re either a Catholic or your’re not. A person may have a liberal or progressive way of thinking; but you’re either Catholic or you’re not…period!!! There’s no compromise with REVEALED TRUTH!!!

Furthermore, the Church isn’t condemning the person, they’re condemning the ‘act’; as several persons as stated. I feel that you already know this.

In addition, I doubt that Pope Francis is a “left-winger” either. He just excommunicated an Australian priest for promnoting gay marriage,

Is it a possibility that you’re promoting a particular agenda?: confused:

PS: You don’t need to scream.​

“Love without Truth is blind” 1 Cor 13:1

Very well said. Like your talking points.

 

[EastWest]

Very well said. Like your talking points.

Thank You…

 

[edwest2]

By claiming that their sexuality is “disordered”, you are basically saying that their very existence is tragic and immoral. Language like this only serves to dehumanize and marginalize others.

Unlike you, I think we should affirm the full humanity and dignity of every human being regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity.

This is what the Church teaches:

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

Jesus forgave the woman who was about to legally stoned to death for adultery, but He also told her to go and sin no more.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Tigg]

No. I believe that in fact it’s ***progressives ***who have conveniently turned this into a ***political ***debate while trying, deliberately and successfully I might add, to completely remove or diminish any moral or religious aspect of this topic all together!

How right you are and for a faithful Catholic, it is illogical to think that moral issues may even be debated at all when the matter is closed. Revelation teaches that the power to decide what is good and what is evil does not belong to man but to God alone. It is totally and completely the spirit of the world against the Spirit of God.

Is it a possibility that you’re promoting a particular agenda?: confused:

Which would, of course, be against forum rules.

 

[Peter_Plato]

By claiming that their sexuality is “disordered”, you are basically saying that their very existence is tragic and immoral. Language like this only serves to dehumanize and marginalize others.

Here is the problem with your view. If sexuality does not have an ordering principle, then any form of sexual expression would not only be acceptable but essentially linked to the dignity of the individual themselves. It is the fact that a human is expressing their sexuality in a way they “feel” compelled to that is precisely what makes that form of expression human and, therefore, dignified.

That would mean prostitutes, nymphomaniacs, perhaps, even pedophiles, are merely expressing their humanity. Therefore, declaring any form of sexual expression to be “disordered” should be avoided as intolerant BECAUSE the life of NO human being who expresses themselves sexually, in any way they choose, could possibly be tragic and immoral.

Take your pick, either there is an ordering principle to sexual expression or there is not. If there is not, why would all forms of sexual expression NOT be tolerated by your view, because being INTOLERANT of any form of sexual expression serves to, as you say, “marginalize and dehumanize” individuals who engage in these?

If that consequence is not palatable, then what do you propose to be the “ordering” principle under which certain forms of sexual expression should be viewed as “immoral” or, at least, not acceptable?

 

[Mark121359]

How right you are and for a faithful Catholic, it is illogical to think that moral issues may even be debated at all when the matter is closed. Revelation teaches that the power to decide what is good and what is evil does not belong to man but to God alone. It is totally and completely the spirit of the world against the Spirit of God.

Yes…you’re absolutely right Tigg! And yet unfortunately, far too many Catholics side with the spirit of the world.

Peace, Mark

 

[Jon_Paul]

While traditionalists are turning gay marriage into a moral, religious, and political debate, …]

Sorry but you don’t get to play this game. It’s non-negotiable. There is no “traditionalist” vs “liberal” side in this because there is no debate, there is no argument. There is simple black and white Catholic teaching.

You either accept it or you do not. You are either Catholic or you are not.

 

[otjm]

I think the bottom line is this: Why does anyone need my permission to live how they want? Why was this an issue at the voting booth? Why do I need to hear, 24/7, about anybody’s sexual orientation? What happened to privacy?

Peace,
Ed

The NSA and Big Brother took care of that!

 

[SpidersfromMars]

No. I believe that in fact it’s ***progressives ***who have conveniently turned this into a ***political ***debate while trying, deliberately and successfully I might add, to completely remove or diminish any moral or religious aspect of this topic all together!

I agree, simply based on an objective assessment of the facts: the Catholic Church’s teachings on this matter have not changed the entire time this gay marriage debate has taken off in the last few years. So obviously it’s those who take issue with the teachings who are turning it into a debate.

What’s that quote again? “Rome has spoken, the case is closed”?

 

[Lapey]

LGBT individuals are NOT “disordered.” Their sexual identity is NOT “disordered.” Their natural desire for companionship and intimacy is NOT “disordered”. It should be affirmed and celebrated just as you are to be affirmed and celebrated.

Read the CCC lately??? Guess not…

 

[Lapey]

Unlike masturbation, you cannot change your sexual orientation and who you are attracted to.

Exactly like the temptation to masturbate, the temptation to act on sexual attractions outside of true marriage can and must be rejected. If not, then there is mortal sin.

I am heterosexual, married man. Do you think God didn’t create me to be attracted to other women besides my wife? With that understood to be yes, that makes my sexuality, my natural wants, to encompass many women. Is my sexuality “adulterorsexual”? Can I petition Holy Mother Church to accept that God made me attracted to more women than just my wife, therefore I must be accepted as normal and accept that I want to marry 26 women?

One of the common practices of left wingers, like yourself Princess, is to personalize everything so when someone speaks against a certain topic you twist it to mean I am hateful and closed minded and many other hateful things. This is very uncharitable and down right disingenuous.

What they seek is normalization of the abnormal, Mother Church cannot give that; neither does Pope Francis teach this. Mother Church must always teach truth, as did Jesus. Would Jesus sit with and be with these folks? Yes!!! And He would lead them out of their sin to peace and salvation; which is the opposite of what they are seeking here.

 

[bjmad]

Rome has spoken; the matter is settled.

St. Augustine of Hippo (354-430AD) on the Priests of God

 

[Elizabeth502]

LGBT individuals are NOT “disordered.” Their sexual identity is NOT “disordered.” Their natural desire for companionship and intimacy is NOT “disordered”. It should be affirmed and celebrated just as you are to be affirmed and celebrated.

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents **homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,**141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered objectively, not subjectively], constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. **[maintaining that they are not candidates for marriage is not “unjust”]**These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity [as are all of us]. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

*(Your question seems answered, Lapey.) *

 

[Darryl1958]

You might want to check the Catechism see what the Church teaches re this issue.
Try separating your feel good emotions from this issue,look at it logically.God made man and woman for a reason to procreate,surely you have had a basic biology class and understand how procreation,as God intended is impossible with SS relationships?

The difference between a liberal Catholic and a Catholic is that for liberals truth is not a teaching, but a feeling.

Catechismal teaching is wrong, and despicably so, if it goes against how a liberal feels.

Hence the hysterical screaming.

 

[Suudy]

One of the common practices of left wingers, like yourself Princess, is to personalize everything so when someone speaks against a certain topic you twist it to mean I am hateful and closed minded and many other hateful things. This is very uncharitable and down right disingenuous.

Well, I’d word it a bit differently. Maybe things have changed, or I’m older now and just notice it, but it seems that many people nowadays take criticism of what they do as a criticism of who they are. No more can we criticize people for acting ignorant without them thinking they are being criticized for being dumb. No more can we criticize people for being promiscuous without them thinking they are a being criticized for being a slut/man slut. No more can we criticize people for engaging in homosexual acts without them thinking they are being criticized for being homosexual.

There is a subtle difference. But it is an important difference. And the subtlety seems to be lost.

 

[Suudy]

Rome has spoken; the matter is settled.

St. Augustine of Hippo (354-430AD) on the Priests of God

And as Dr Kreeft points out in his talk on priestesses. Modifying it for this topic:
That formula used to evoke love and loyalty. The issue today is not whether the Church will have support pro gay “marriage groups”. She won’t. The only open issue today is whether the pro gay “marriage” groups will have the Church.

 

[SuperLuigi]

You might want to check the Catechism see what the Church teaches re this issue.
Try separating your feel good emotions from this issue,look at it logically.God made man and woman for a reason to procreate,surely you have had a basic biology class and understand how procreation,as God intended is impossible with SS relationships?

But that’s soooo boring

So-called “gay marriage” is “cool” and “in”…so was killing Jesus at one point.