Growing fury over Ireland's insult to Holy See

[BlueSapphire]

Senior diplomatic sources in Rome have told The Irish Catholic of growing ridicule in international diplomatic circles for the position adopted by the Irish Government to close its embassy to the Holy See.

Some Irish diplomats are also believed to be privately distancing themselves from the move.

There is now a growing consensus that the closure, coming less than two months after the diplomatic spat with the Holy See, was motivated by more than just economic reasons and took no account of the significant Catholic constituency in the country who, while annoyed at Church failures, do not support an aggressive secular agenda. The linking of the Holy See with Iran is also being seen as an overt insult to the Holy See.

Speaking to this paper, Fianna Fáil deputy leader Éamon Ó Cuív (left) has described as ‘‘disingenuous’’ claims by Tánaiste Eamon Gilmore that plans to close the State’s embassy to the Holy See are motivated by economic concerns.

Mr Ó Cuív said he found Mr Gilmore’s economic claim ‘‘hard to take’’. ‘‘If this was about economics alone, the sum expected to be saved could be saved by a very minor reconfiguration of staffing levels in other embassies abroad. To say that this is a money-saving exercise seems to fly in the face of the evidence,’’ Mr Ó Cuív said. He insisted that Mr Gilmore was making a ‘‘political gesture’’ by shutting the embassy to the Holy See and refusing to appoint a resident ambassador.

irishcatholic.ie/site/content/growing-fury-over-insult-holy-see-garry-osullivan-and-michael-kelly

 

[domandcarols]

I’ll be praying for the Irish people, their clergy and the Vatican. This is all terrible…

 

[wisdomseeker]

I think we need to take our punishment as it comes. Those who committed the sins and those who did nothing should recognize their faults before God and not the world.

Stop the apologies and repent before God. Repents means to change their ways before God.

 

[BVM_1221]

I think we need to take our punishment as it comes. Those who committed the sins and those who did nothing should recognize their faults before God and not the world.

Stop the apologies and repent before God. Repents means to change their ways before God.

And restitution for harm done?

 

[BVM_1221]

There may be growinbg fury, but just what numbers do we have hhere? Going from 1% fury to 2% represents a collosal 100% increase in fury.

What percentage of the Irish poulation support, the closing, what percentage oppose it, and what precentage are not sure?

Next question: Assuming the majority oppose the closing of the Vatican Embassy, when would be the next election for them to vote about this?:coffeeread:

 

[wisdomseeker]

And restitution for harm done?

There can be no restitution big enough to repair the damage caused to the cause of God. We suffer for our sins against God and there is no merit for that.

They need to stop laughing and show sadness for their sins commited against God. I have not seeing that yet. All I see as they walking around all happy as if they have done nothing wrong. This needs to stop. We are being punished for our sins before God, and no one is going to stop such a punishment. It starts with the poor worship given to God. The disdain by many towards His Worship is beyond believe.

 

[Dale_M]

What percentage of the Irish poulation support, the closing, what percentage oppose it, and what precentage are not sure?

Its a fair question, and I don’t have the answer to it.

However, the Iona Institute recently released a survey conducted last month, and its results may provide some sense of the ground that has to be recovered.

69% of Irish adults identify as Catholic

But only 24% of adults have a favorable opinion of the Catholic Church in Ireland

46% think the teachings of the Catholic Church are of benefit to Irish society, but 31% disagree

22% would be happy if the Catholic Church were completely gone from Ireland. However, 51% disagree

20% believe the government is excessively hostile to the Catholic Church, but 40% disagree.
ionainstitute.ie/assets/files/Attitudes%20to%20Church%20poll.pdf

Again, the survey was conducted before the decision was announced to close the embassy.

 

[Wolseley]

Satan is laughing with hysterical glee as he moves quickly to take advantage of this entire situation. Lives damaged, the Church damaged, anger and hurt among people to either drive them away from the Church or convince them to stay away from Her…

But, even though She may undergo some severe storms, Our Lord told us the gates of hell would not prevail against Her.

 

[domandcarols]

Satan is laughing with hysterical glee as he moves quickly to take advantage of this entire situation. Lives damaged, the Church damaged, anger and hurt among people to either drive them away from the Church or convince them to stay away from Her…

But, even though She may undergo some severe storms, Our Lord told us the gates of hell would not prevail against Her.

I agree.

 

[Elvis_Guy]

Ireland has always had an odd (to be mild) relationship with the Church!!! I have a lot of Irish in my veins so I can say this, it has been one of extremes! It is said the "The Irish have the look of the Saxon but the Heart of the Mediterranean !) I in my own life run the hot cold extreme! My grandfather , uncles, all do it…often we regret our seismic mood shifts! I think at times the confessional was placed for Irish and Irish stock like yours truly! As is often the case individual represent the collective! A prior poster was spot on, it’s all about the promise of Christ to the Church ( I love the words of Ambrose we are Gods awkward Brigade, Saints who yet sin.) Ambrose was a sharp cookie ! I bring my ramble to the point! Ireland has had fallouts , hiss fits and head butting with the church on and off for centuries…however if you read your Irish history there is after these storms…a return and renewal , Catholocism is almost a cultural mortar, every time a falling out happens…the Irish seem to seek the deep identity , a core solidifying factor. I say in summation pray!!! But pray with Faith not Fear!!! “Is anything too hard for the Lord?” Pax Et Bonum!!!

 

[unafraid]

I have come to believe that the entire sex abuse scandal, and all of its shudder-inducing ramifications, represent a certain form of chastisement visited upon the Roman Catholic Church, and all who view her to be blessed, and holy…and imbued with Christ’s own sacred blood. Chastisements do not necessarily fall in the form of cataclysms, terrors, or massive catastophes, but perhaps they come in the form of invisible daggers, stabbed into the heart of the very Faith itself…over, and over again. Prolonged torture can be subtle, but it can also be much more agonizing that the swift drop of the ax blade.

Yet, contrary to all of that, I live with small examples of the goodness of the Church on a daily basis. As an example I submit this: One of my daughters is a first-grader, who attends Catholic School. She recently got to do a reading at the regular Friday Mass that the children attend as part of the Liturgy. She was angelic, as were they all, beaming so perfectly in that Holy Place. The scandal was far from us that morning, as it is when we hang the multitude of holy school projects that she brings home ( pictures of the Saints, Christ, the Virgin Mary, etc.) on our refrigerator. The purity of the core is still genuine; the essence of the Church has not been obliterated.

Therefore, just as I believe that we are living through a great chastisement, I also believe that visible signs of Christ’s compassion for His “Bride on Earth” will be soon forthcoming. The pain and the shame, and all of those wounds to the heart, will find relief. Our God is merciful, and our Savior forgiving, so I find that my only comfort rests in my absolute faith that the Church will be cleansed, purified, and made new…and we will all be comforted.