Guam Archbishop: Don't Redefine Marriage

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I hope the church and the world does change its stance on marriage. There is no reason to not allow two people who love each other to be bound in holy matrimony. Galatians 3:28 states There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. If this is true, which it is cause the bible is truth, we should be able to marry who we love. I do not mean to offend but open discussion. I used to see eye to eye with the church on this for years and This past year after prayer and biblical research I accepted the fact that I’m gay and I can’t understand the church’s teaching on this. Thanks and God Bless.
 
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I hope the church and the world does change its stance on marriage. There is no reason to not allow two people who love each other to be bound in holy matrimony. Galatians 3:28 states There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. If this is true, which it is cause the bible is truth, we should be able to marry who we love. I do not mean to offend but open discussion. I used to see eye to eye with the church on this for years and This past year after prayer and biblical research I accepted the fact that I’m gay and I can’t understand the church’s teaching on this. Thanks and God Bless.
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There is nothing wrong about not understanding the teachings of the Church, but that is not an excuse for disobeying the teachings. The Church is following the directive of God that marriage is between a man and a woman.

That quote does not help your case. It is talking about following Mosaic Law. Context is everything.
 
BigdogAman said:
I hope the church and the world does change its stance on marriage. There is no reason to not allow two people who love each other to be bound in holy matrimony. Galatians 3:28 states There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. If this is true, which it is cause the bible is truth, we should be able to marry who we love. I do not mean to offend but open discussion. I used to see eye to eye with the church on this for years and This past year after prayer and biblical research I accepted the fact that I’m gay and I can’t understand the church’s teaching on this. Thanks and God Bless.
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I am sorry your quest led you to question Church teaching. Accepting one’s weakness takes courage, and adherence to the teaching of the Church to which our Lord gave authority takes even greater courage.

It would be remiss to read justification for gay marriage in St. Paul’s exhortation to the Galatians. Indeed he was saying that as a member of God’s creation each person should be given the due respect that a person deserves because in the eyes of the Lord, that we are not separated by age, color, race, or sexual orientation Each person may not be equal in all abilities, but we are equal in dignity.

The verse does not mean that all differences are erased, but that in terms of membership in God’s people they are irrelevant. Further, in ascribing the meaning to St. Paul’s message to the Galatians in your post, you will have to disregard his epistle to the Romans, Corinthians and Timothy 1 on the subject of homosexuality. St. Paul was referring to behavior, of course, not sexual orientation, which is a rather recent social construction.

God bless, as well.
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Marriage is about more than love! Its about raising children (though not everyone is blessed) and getting each other to Heaven.
 
And I still can raise kids. And I will. I will baptize them. I will give them Christian names. I will either raise them catholic or very close to it. My faith is important to me and I will give it to my children. The supreme court will be voting on marriage equality and I’m pretty sure it will go through.Thank God! I understand the churches teachings it just doesn’t make sense. I have reviewed the arguments against it within our church and it can all be easily countered with biblical evidence. This is not my weakness and I won’t let it be. I am single as of now but when the time comes for me to get married I would love for it to be with in the church but if my own church won’t accept the love I will have for my husband and children than so be it. God is love. His love flows through us all. I don’t expect anyone on this forum to understand this and that’s fine.
 
Sadly there are many people who want to redefine marriage. The tendency seems unstoppable.
 
BigdogAman said:
And I still can raise kids. And I will. I will baptize them. I will give them Christian names. I will either raise them catholic or very close to it. My faith is important to me and I will give it to my children. The supreme court will be voting on marriage equality and I’m pretty sure it will go through.Thank God! I understand the churches teachings it just doesn’t make sense. I have reviewed the arguments against it within our church and it can all be easily countered with biblical evidence. This is not my weakness and I won’t let it be. I am single as of now but when the time comes for me to get married I would love for it to be with in the church but if my own church won’t accept the love I will have for my husband and children than so be it. God is love. His love flows through us all. I don’t expect anyone on this forum to understand this and that’s fine.
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Respectfully, are you open to the Holy Spirit in this matter, or have you made up your mind?

If you are open, perhaps you’d be willing to post the Biblical evidence you claim supports your position (and enter into a respectful dialogue)? 🙂
 
Both actually. That how I came to the realization that I was gayer than a drag queen riding a unicorn over a rainbow. I asked the lord to work within me and send me the spirit to be my guide and he did. I remember praying with my rosary in hand after asking for the answer if I was gay and suddenly weeping uncontrollably and I knew that was the answer and what God had wanted for me. Now as to the bible and my future plans that God has in store for me. I have read all the arguments made against being Gay and gay marriage within the bible and frankly they really aren’t arguements. Leviticus listed laws that we no longer need to obey because Jesus fulfilled the law and set us free. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed over the attempted gang rape of an angel not because of the neighborhood gay couple that love God and practice loving monogamy. Paul says men shall not do strange things with men and women should not do strange thing with women but what defines strange things? I don’t classify love and sex to be strange. Why would a fair and just God prohibit me from the chances of love and a family that currently only a man and woman can have. The church says we must live chaste lives but it’s basically inequality. God made me gay and he will guide me to my future husband and grant my family and marriage, not a gay family or a gay marriage, blessings beyond my wildest dreams.
 
And it’s not redefining marriage. Gay marriage dates back to the dawn and before our church was created. Marriage is between love and love. It baffles me how people fail to see that. It’s all the same love not to quote Macklemore but it is. And it also depends on how you define marriage. As Catholics we can’t get married through the state so a marriage between people of the same sex doesn’t affect us. Conservatives, the church, and fundamentalists telling me my marriage affects them is like me saying you can’t eat a doughnut around me because it goes against my diet. Like if it does affect other people than the two people in the marriage why does it matter. I know what the church teaches and I in a way feel betrayed. I am unequal in my own church, my own solitude, my own salvation, the only thing I hold nearest to my heart denies me the one thing we all seek , true love. I’m only 17 and I have my whole life ahead of me to figure out my wedding but as of now I can’t include my own church because it doesn’t want or accept the love I will have for my husband. And even if this did redefine marriage in the church or government both have redefined several things like everything in Vatican two or the new stance on the souls of animals.
 
Marriage and Divorce.
4 He said in reply, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’
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and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
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So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, no human being must separate.”
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Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage* for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.”

There is a reason male and female are complimentary…and only a male and female are capable of producing a child.
 
The lord in those aforementioned quotes an outline of marriage for the time. An institution which had been desecrated by the temple. He doesn’t condemn the consensual monogamous loving marriage of two people of the same sex. And considering the world is overpopulated as it is and there are millions of homeless children in need of a good home I don’t think it’s a big problem. Besides, there are almost 8 billion people in the world and a majority of them are straight couples who can pump out as many babies as there hearts desire to keep our raise going. Why deny a child a good home? Even if adoption was a problem and we need to keep our race going a gay couple could have a child through surrogacy. You could condemn that too by saying it isn’t of God or what God would want but God wants children born into his family and frankly I don’t think he cares how he gets there.
 
BigdogAman said:
The lord in those aforementioned quotes an outline of marriage for the time. An institution which had been desecrated by the temple. He doesn’t condemn the consensual monogamous loving marriage of two people of the same sex. And considering the world is overpopulated as it is and there are millions of homeless children in need of a good home I don’t think it’s a big problem. Besides, there are almost 8 billion people in the world and a majority of them are straight couples who can pump out as many babies as there hearts desire to keep our raise going. Why deny a child a good home? Even if adoption was a problem and we need to keep our race going a gay couple could have a child through surrogacy. You could condemn that too by saying it isn’t of God or what God would want but God wants children born into his family and frankly I don’t think he cares how he gets there.
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Nor did he condemn murder or incest or rape or any number of other sins that those he was teaching already considered wrong. 🤷
 
It has been written that one of the most common spiritual pitfalls and Satan’s greatest weapon is self-delusion. He comes as an angel of light and attacks in the areas of the greatest vulnerability - our emotions and our pain and causes great harm by darkening the intellect to prevent the authentic light of understanding.

“The concept and idea that same sex unions can be defined as a ‘marriage’ has no basis in reality,” the statement said. “Marriage is an institution of comprehensive self-giving between one man and one woman who share bodily complementarity. This life giving union which forms a family is the very foundation of our civilization whose very source and center is God.”

May God be merciful and protect us.
 
The only reason marriage exists is because there are men and women, and they are sexually complementary. Human beings consist of just two sexes: male and female. It is the union of the two sexes which makes marriage potentially procreative, and which makes it conjugal and marital. Same sex ‘marriage’ is a natural impossibility.

It is a mark of the irrationality of the current age that we not only wish to redefine marriage into something that can never be marital; we seem also to wish to redefine human nature. Shall we no longer recognize the nature of man and woman? Shall we deny children their natural parents? That is the mark of a world gone mad.
 
The lord fulfilled the law but said to keep the commandments of his father and added two new commandments. If you review those commandments it is clear to see rape, incest, murder, and etc it is almost implied. And it’s very true even the devil can quote scripture. I know what the devil and demons are capable of I have studied demonology, the paranormal, and witchcraft and how to combat it for nearly five years. But just as the prophets and saints before me I am trusting God and knowing his plan for me includes being married to a man and raising children with him and growing old with him hopefully entering the kingdom of God with him by my side. I know I was born this way because scientists have proved it and for me to deny that is not only unhealthy but sinful. For years I have lied about my sexuality and I still am. I can almost guarantee no one on this forum can relate to hiding your true self for 17 years of your life and to not feel welcomed by people you call friends because you like guys. Or how about being told by your church, the one thing that taught you about the unconditional love of Christ, that you aren’t worthy to get married because straight couples are the only real couples because they can have babies and two boys can’t so their love isn’t real love. I mean how is this fair. How can equality and love be of the devil, a creature so evil he is incapable of love. And how could you even dare to equate the love between two people to acts of lust and rage they aren’t even similar in any way. But like I said I don’t expect anyone to understand the struggles of being born gay and catholic two things that I wouldn’t change ever even if I could.
 
BigdogAman said:
The lord fulfilled the law but said to keep the commandments of his father and added two new commandments. If you review those commandments it is clear to see rape, incest, murder, and etc it is almost implied. And it’s very true even the devil can quote scripture. I know what the devil and demons are capable of I have studied demonology, the paranormal, and witchcraft and how to combat it for nearly five years. But just as the prophets and saints before me I am trusting God and knowing his plan for me includes being married to a man and raising children with him and growing old with him hopefully entering the kingdom of God with him by my side. I know I was born this way because scientists have proved it and for me to deny that is not only unhealthy but sinful. For years I have lied about my sexuality and I still am. I can almost guarantee no one on this forum can relate to hiding your true self for 17 years of your life and to not feel welcomed by people you call friends because you like guys. Or how about being told by your church, the one thing that taught you about the unconditional love of Christ, that you aren’t worthy to get married because straight couples are the only real couples because they can have babies and two boys can’t so their love isn’t real love. I mean how is this fair. How can equality and love be of the devil, a creature so evil he is incapable of love. And how could you even dare to equate the love between two people to acts of lust and rage they aren’t even similar in any way. But like I said I don’t expect anyone to understand the struggles of being born gay and catholic two things that I wouldn’t change ever even if I could.
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You’re going with “almost” as an excuse for misunderstanding God’s instructions. I’m almost embarrassed for you. Almost.
 
Am I supposed to understand every thing the church does? Am I suppose to understand why my church is an accomplice to the suicides of thousands of LGBT youth. Am I supposed understand how why my church hasn’t intervened on behalf of the Gays and lesbians and transgender people who are slaughtered in Africa? Am I supposed to understand why my church denies couples the right to happiness and family life? It hardly seems Christlike. But then again what would I know I use almost to misunderstand God. I mean I can’t understand God ,can I, because I almost tried to define what is right. I have a prayer for this church and if there is a just and all loving merciful God he would listen to me and allow the world to change for his people. And I can sense a bit sass in your response and trust me sweetie if you wanna play that way I can, I’m Gay, Italian, and from New Jersey so I speak sass, sarcasm, and swearing and lord help me but I’m not afraid to lose my Christian like demeanor.
 
BigdogAman said:
Am I supposed to understand every thing the church does? Am I suppose to understand why my church is an accomplice to the suicides of thousands of LGBT youth. Am I supposed understand how why my church hasn’t intervened on behalf of the Gays and lesbians and transgender people who are slaughtered in Africa? Am I supposed to understand why my church denies couples the right to happiness and family life? It hardly seems Christlike. But then again what would I know I use almost to misunderstand God. I mean I can’t understand God ,can I, because I almost tried to define what is right. I have a prayer for this church and if there is a just and all loving merciful God he would listen to me and allow the world to change for his people.
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It doesn’t require understanding to follow correct teaching. If you have an issue with God’s instructions, you should probably take it up with Him. He is the one who set them out at the beginning of creation. No matter how one lies to themselves to justify their bad behavior, it doesn’t change the truth. 🤷 Faith is about making ourselves into the image of God, not God into our image.
And I can sense a bit sass in your response and trust me sweetie if you wanna play that way I can, I’m Gay, Italian, and from New Jersey so I speak sass, sarcasm, and swearing and lord help me but I’m not afraid to lose my Christian like demeanor.
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