Guam Archbishop: Don't Redefine Marriage

[McCall1981]

Irish archbishop warns: approval of same-sex marriage will bring intolerance of Christians
Catholic World News - May 04, 2015
Archbishop Eamon Martin of Armagh has warned that religious freedom will be in danger in Ireland if a referendum approving same-sex marriage succeeds. “If society adopts and imposes a new orthodoxy of ‘gender-neutral’ marriage, being defined simply as a union between any two persons-– including a man and a man, or a woman and woman-– then it will become increasingly difficult to speak or teach in public about marriage as being between a man and a woman,” the archbishop said, in a statement released through the Irish bishops’ conference.

Archbishop Martin observed that opponents of the referendum have already been subjected to intolerant criticism, with activists denouncing them as bigots. He asked:

“How have we got ourselves into the situation that when people stand up to guard the dignity of difference between a man and woman, and speak for the traditional definition of marriage, they are often portrayed as being against freedom, or against equality?”

 

[McCall1981]

The Irish Bishops Conference has been speaking up on this as well:

Irish archbishop warns: approval of same-sex marriage will bring intolerance of Christians
Catholic World News - May 04, 2015
Archbishop Eamon Martin of Armagh has warned that religious freedom will be in danger in Ireland if a referendum approving same-sex marriage succeeds. “If society adopts and imposes a new orthodoxy of ‘gender-neutral’ marriage, being defined simply as a union between any two persons-– including a man and a man, or a woman and woman-– then it will become increasingly difficult to speak or teach in public about marriage as being between a man and a woman,” the archbishop said, in a statement released through the Irish bishops’ conference.

Archbishop Martin observed that opponents of the referendum have already been subjected to intolerant criticism, with activists denouncing them as bigots. He asked:

“How have we got ourselves into the situation that when people stand up to guard the dignity of difference between a man and woman, and speak for the traditional definition of marriage, they are often portrayed as being against freedom, or against equality?”

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[BigdogAman]

I’m not lying to myself. And I respect people who don’t like gay marriage. I truly do they have the strength to tell same sex couples they have no right to marry, I mean it takes true strength to tell someone their love isn’t real. But I digress in all honesty I respect all beliefs it hey why not get a laugh out of it. And I do think it’s in equality it basically how in the sixties I couldn’t marry a black woman even if I truly loved her. But times change. And so does the church. Look at annulments it basically catholic divorce saying the marriage never existed. This little debate has been fun guys I really enjoyed this. I tell you what let’s do your own q and a with a licensed and certified homosexual. So let’s call this little game of cat and mouse at a draw agree to disagree huh? So let’s start the questioning shall we?

 

[banjo]

Times may change but the Scriptures do not. How can the Church change its teaching rooted in the Scriptures? See CCC 2357 for specific quotes.

 

[graciew]

Please do not redefine this thread,nor derail it. There are rules. This thread is about marriage,and family. And none of them are games.
Nor are we cats and mice,we are persons,just like you.
The topic is Do not redefine marriage.

 

[graciew]

Shall we deny children their natural parents? .

In our here and now,we can work to strengthening our bonds with our wives,husbands and children. Young or old. It is never late to stop and pray and think how best we can please God.
Sometimes,it is the closest to us that need to be heard. I pray Mary helps us. What would we do without Her?

 

[BigdogAman]

So no one has questions for a trained homosexual? Oh fine atleast I offered spoils my fun though. And when did I say children have no right to their natural parents. Now that’s just putting words in my mouth just a tad isn’t it? And the church can change I mean look we use to speak Latin and now my local parish uses more English than the crown. Women also couldn’t talk in church and had to wear mantillas but now we have women lectors and rumor has it women deacons and almost had a woman Cardinal. But hey the church doesn’t change. And I kind of wanted to change the subject debating this forum is like trying to talk to a brick wall. I wanted an entertaining conversation not a group of Catholics telling me what I don’t believe. Well my brothers and sisters Ive had fun. Have you? Hope you enjoyed our little tango. But like most beautiful dances they must come to an end. I bet some of you will offer your prayers and that is great but unless they are for me to find a husband or to help me make a difference in the church you can save them for a more noble cause like parents who do the righteous thing and disown their gay children or the priests who perform immoral and fake marriage ceremonies between gay and lesbian couples. Because my friends I don’t need them.:family_man_man_girl_boy:
Love,
Yours Truly,
Your Gay best Friend

 

[Dawnia]

So no one has questions for a trained homosexual? Oh fine atleast I offered spoils my fun though. And when did I say children have no right to their natural parents. Now that’s just putting words in my mouth just a tad isn’t it? And the church can change I mean look we use to speak Latin and now my local parish uses more English than the crown. Women also couldn’t talk in church and had to wear mantillas but now we have women lectors and rumor has it women deacons and almost had a woman Cardinal. But hey the church doesn’t change. And I kind of wanted to change the subject debating this forum is like trying to talk to a brick wall. I wanted an entertaining conversation not a group of Catholics telling me what I don’t believe. Well my brothers and sisters Ive had fun. Have you? Hope you enjoyed our little tango. But like most beautiful dances they must come to an end. I bet some of you will offer your prayers and that is great but unless they are for me to find a husband or to help me make a difference in the church you can save them for a more noble cause like parents who do the righteous thing and disown their gay children or the priests who perform immoral and fake marriage ceremonies between gay and lesbian couples. Because my friends I don’t need them.:family_man_man_girl_boy:
Love,
Yours Truly,
Your Gay best Friend

This thread is not about you. So sorry.

 

[BigdogAman]

Hold your applause to the end it’s revenge of the gay. This thread became about my community and I from the beginning. How could it not be? It’s about family and marriage my ***. It’s about gays. Always has been and always will be. Now on behalf of all of us hungry hungry homos over here on team gay have a fabulous day.

 

[zz912]

So no one has questions for a trained homosexual?

I’m almost afraid to ask what this “training” consists of.

Oh fine atleast I offered spoils my fun though.

We’re discussing fundamental issues of marriage, salvation, sin and families. It’s not a game.

And when did I say children have no right to their natural parents. Now that’s just putting words in my mouth just a tad isn’t it?

Your earlier post you claimed you wanted to raise children with your gay sex partner. This involves robbing those children of at LEAST one of their parents.

And the church can change I mean look we use to speak Latin and now my local parish uses more English than the crown. Women also couldn’t talk in church and had to wear mantillas but now we have women lectors

You don’t seem to understand the Christian faith very well. The elements of the sacraments cannot be changed, neither can Church teaching on faith and morals. The language the Mass is celebrated in is not a teaching on faith and morals. Using bread and wine for the Eucharist IS a teaching on faith and morals and cannot be changed. Marriage is between a man and a woman, period. It can never change.

and rumor has it women deacons and almost had a woman Cardinal.

The Church never has had and never will have women deacons or women cardinals. The elements of the sacrament of Holy Orders is limited to men, period. Even if a bishop tried to ordain a woman deacon, it would not happen, as the necessary elements of the sacrament aren’t present.

But hey the church doesn’t change.

See above

I bet some of you will offer your prayers and that is great but unless they are for me to find a husband or to help me make a difference in the church you can save them for a more noble cause like parents who do the righteous thing and disown their gay children or the priests who perform immoral and fake marriage ceremonies between gay and lesbian couples. Because my friends I don’t need them.������������������‍������‍������‍������

I guess you’re a better person than me then. I need all the prayers I can get.

Love,
Yours Truly,
Your Gay best Friend

You’re not even close to my best gay friend. It would take you years to develop a friendship with me rivaling the friendships I have with some of my gay friends.

 

[BigdogAman]

Homosexual training is kind of like CCD it’s a night class where you learn to be able to feel the difference between J. Crew and some cheap knock off. We also learned how to sing dance and act. Then Rupaul came and taught us how to be fierce drag queens. It was awesome you would have been impressed. And yes my hot gay sex partner and I are going to raise children. I prefer to call him my husband because gay sex isn’t the only thing we do. And I don’t want prayers to try and help me to change or renounce what I believe because baby I was born this way. Lady Gaga music plays and I am not in need of change. And common everybody needs a gay best friend. And your right we are trying to defile marriage because we are an army of fabulous little soldiers in leather assless chaps and rainbow capes that want nothing more to see traditional marriage perish. Muahahaha. Muahahaha. We are recruiting and trying to make people chose a life of judgement and denial and we want them to engage in immoral behavior. You guys were right about us gays. It’s a homo invasion we will ride our unicorns and spread rainbow magic that will convert people gay. Then we will take over the world… If it wasn’t evident all that was sarcasm except the gay training becoming a trained homosexual is like becoming an Eagle Scout, or getting a Purple Heart it’s one of the highest honors the LGBT community can bestow. And our Gay leader is Neil Patrick Harris and he will lead our battle to victory. By the way June 23rd to June 28thi is gay pride in New York so don’t forget to leave out milk and cookies for Ellen and Portia each night they bring a gay child to straight families all over for them to raise. May the Gay be with you forever.
Yours truly,
Trained homosexual and aspiring actor,
The one and the only,
Silence Dogood

 

[Dawnia]

Homosexual training is kind of like CCD it’s a night class where you learn to be able to feel the difference between J. Crew and some cheap knock off. We also learned how to sing dance and act. Then Rupaul came and taught us how to be fierce drag queens. It was awesome you would have been impressed. And yes my hot gay sex partner and I are going to raise children. I prefer to call him my husband because gay sex isn’t the only thing we do. And I don’t want prayers to try and help me to change or renounce what I believe because baby I was born this way. Lady Gaga music plays and I am not in need of change. And common everybody needs a gay best friend. And your right we are trying to defile marriage because we are an army of fabulous little soldiers in leather assless chaps and rainbow capes that want nothing more to see traditional marriage perish. Muahahaha. Muahahaha. We are recruiting and trying to make people chose a life of judgement and denial and we want them to engage in immoral behavior. You guys were right about us gays. It’s a homo invasion we will ride our unicorns and spread rainbow magic that will convert people gay. Then we will take over the world… If it wasn’t evident all that was sarcasm except the gay training becoming a trained homosexual is like becoming an Eagle Scout, or getting a Purple Heart it’s one of the highest honors the LGBT community can bestow. And our Gay leader is Neil Patrick Harris and he will lead our battle to victory. By the way June 23rd to June 28thi is gay pride in New York so don’t forget to leave out milk and cookies for Ellen and Portia each night they bring a gay child to straight families all over for them to raise. May the Gay be with you forever.
Yours truly,
Trained homosexual and aspiring actor,
The one and the only,
Silence Dogood

TROLLS IN THE DUNGEON! Thought you ought to know.

 

[BigdogAman]

Yes trolls everywhere. You know what I like you. You can take a joke. In the beginning I wanted a fight or to be agreed with them it turned into a joke to me. And you laughed. The joker made batman laugh. You are cool for that. Stay gold pony boy stay gold.

 

[Tigg]

TROLLS IN THE DUNGEON! Thought you ought to know.

With all the talk of Christian persecution, Dawnia, I guess we Catholics had better get used to all the subtle forms of resistance to the cause of holy religion. After all, we are standing in the way of cultural progress and mockery and rubbing our noses in all things undesirable is just another attempt to publicly flog us for our unwavering belief in the sanctity of authentic marriage.