Guardsmen overrun at the Border

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**The Border patrol says the attackers quickly retreated back into Mexico. **

Yep…it must have been that certain VIGILANTE group…yeah right. Grasping at straws are we?😃

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What a quandry! On the one hand, I don’t like to respond to people who jump to conclusions. Especially if they’re passionate in their misunderstanding. On the other hand, I don’t like to let a challenge go unanswered. Perhaps some clarification will help. This is my opinion only. I am a militant. Here’s what I believe about this story: our NG troops WERE armed; our NG troops followed orders; those orders were to avoid confrontation at all costs. The parts that are irrelevant, to me: the nationality and number of the border-crossers. The parts that are relevant, to me: they were border-crossers; they APPEARED to be armed. The end result, as I see it: our country is exposed as a paper tiger on our Southern border. This invites further aggression. The ending I would prefer: shoot to kill. But, that’s just me.
 
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Better yet…show me where they were NOT Mexicans or Latinos. I guess…Americans would run off into Mexico after a conflict with the border patrol;…LOL…you’re a hoot!👍

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Geez, that’s just it! We don’t know who it was period! You make lots of conclusions from a lot of unknowns. The answer is nobody knows? Hopefully, we will get to the bottom of it.
 
What a quandry! On the one hand, The parts that are relevant, to me: they were border-crossers; they APPEARED to be armed. The end result, as I see it: our country is exposed as a paper tiger on our Southern border. This invites further aggression. The ending I would prefer: shoot to kill. But, that’s just me.
Our NG was armed and quite capable of defending itself. It was their job to be an observation post and inform the Border Patrol. That is exactly what they did. Armed authorities went in pursuit of those individuals, whoever they were, with the ability to engage and neutralize. How does that invite “further aggression”? Had they taken action against the NG then too they would have been forcefully engaged. That invites further aggression?
 
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Geez, that’s just it! We don’t know who it was period! You make lots of conclusions from a lot of unknowns. The answer is nobody knows? Hopefully, we will get to the bottom of it.
I think we can assume it was not law abiding Americans. On the other hand…in all probablility it might have been errant Hispanics…or even middle easterners…who have also made their way through the porous border. Either way…it is a tragedy waiting to happen…whether it is Hispanics here to bleed this country dry or middle easterners who want us dead.

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Immigration has contributed so much to this country even during the period when there were basically no requirements necessary to meet to come here. Nativism has always been around since our early history. Many have suffered because of this mentality but it is reassuring to know that eventually we get over it. It’s scary, though, to know that there are some in our midst who see people who come here to work (even "illegally), become an integral part of the American fabric and contribute to the wealth and prospertiy of this nation as the enemy. It’s time to reform our system and distance ourselves from that mentality.
 
Immigration has contributed so much to this country even during the period when there were basically no requirements necessary to meet to come here. Nativism has always been around since our early history. Many have suffered because of this mentality but it is reassuring to know that eventually we get over it. It’s scary, though, to know that there are some in our midst who see people who come here to work (even "illegally), become an integral part of the American fabric and contribute to the wealth and prospertiy of this nation as the enemy. It’s time to reform our system and distance ourselves from that mentality.
We are now a nation of over 300 million people. there comes a time when we have to slow down immigration. I am not opposeed to legal immigration, although I think that might need to be cut back too. I am definitely opposed to those who come here illegally. Unfortunately…there are many coming here who do not put back into society…they take from it. We are no longer a melting pot as we were during the days of Ellis Island…our pot is now running over…

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We are now a nation of over 300 million people. there comes a time when we have to slow down immigration.
Why? Can you give one arguement that doesn’t also apply to population/birth control, that we already know is immoral?
 
We are now a nation of over 300 million people. there comes a time when we have to slow down immigration. I am not opposeed to legal immigration, although I think that might need to be cut back too. I am definitely opposed to those who come here illegally. Unfortunately…there are many coming here who do not put back into society…they take from it. We are no longer a melting pot as we were during the days of Ellis Island…our pot is now running over…

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I still haven’t figured out how you come to your conclusions. How is our “pot running over”? There may be a time when we have to slow down immigration but NOW is NOT that time. They are the primary reason that we are not experiencing the decline that the rest of the Western world is experiencing. We needed their economic stimulus which provided growth in jobs and growth in purchasing power. We are looking at a time when our native population is living longer than ever before and birth rates have declined below what is necessary to run our infrastructure. Hence, the “illegal” have not increased our unemployment rate. The Hispanic population is the most important growth population in this country and you can be sure that the “illegal” contribute to that. So please thank your lucky stars that these people are here to fill jobs today and their children will fill future job requirements further up the ladder in the coming generation. We need Immigration Reform so that we can select those we want and decline those we don’t. What that means is greater numbers of “legal” immigrants and the most effective way is to keep those who can already meet our requirements and are already here.
 
From the link in post #34…

Do a little math. The Bureau of Labor Statistics says there are 7.6 million unemployed Americans right now. Another 1.5 million Americans are no longer counted because they’ve become “long term” or “discouraged” unemployed workers. And although various groups have different ways of measuring it, most agree that at least another five to ten million Americans are either working part-time when they want to work full-time, or are “underemployed,” doing jobs below their level of training, education, or experience. That’s between eight and twenty million un- and under-employed Americans, many unable to find above-poverty-level work.

At the same time, there are between seven and fifteen million working illegal immigrants diluting our labor pool.

If illegal immigrants could no longer work, unions would flourish, the minimum wage would rise, and oligarchic nations to our south would have to confront and fix their corrupt ways.

This makes alot of sense…👍
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Immigration has contributed so much to this country even during the period when there were basically no requirements necessary to meet to come here.
Yes. LEGAL immigration.
Try living here in AZ for a month or so and see how many conversations you have with people who either can’t or won’t speak English. Check your frustration level at the border.
How many signs can they read? Hint; NONE!
And yet, they’re driving, everywhere and all over; most without insurance so steer clear of those “Sonora” license tags and drive defensively ALWAYS. Do Not let your guard down. According to a mailer I received from AAA, 1 in 12 accidents here involve an illegal alien with, naturally, no insurance.
Watch on the local news each night as they pour across the border illegally, leaving tons (and I do mean TONS) of trash in their wake, severely damaging our fragile eco system. All that trash must be picked up and disposed of by only unpaid volunteers since the state has no money to clean their messes up. :mad:
And think about this: If these illegal Mexicans can run right into the US, as they do, what’s to stop terrorists? And how do we know they haven’t entered the country the exact same way?
SCARY food for thought, huh?
 
How many signs can they read? Hint; NONE!
And yet, they’re driving, everywhere and all over; most without insurance so steer clear of those “Sonora” license tags and drive defensively ALWAYS. Do Not let your guard down. According to a mailer I received from AAA, 1 in 12 accidents here involve an illegal alien with, naturally, no insurance.
And think about this: If these illegal Mexicans can run right into the US, as they do, what’s to stop terrorists? And how do we know they haven’t entered the country the exact same way?
SCARY food for thought, huh?
I know what you are speaking of and I am over a thousand miles from the southern border. Last winter…my car was sitting in my driveway when a Hispanic woman slid on ice (going too fast) and slid into the back of it. It is a newer car and so the damages were steep. She couldn’t speak a word of English…had to use her nice cell phone to call a friend who showed up and started ranting at me because I wouldn’t let the woman leave…she was trying to get away…and the police were of NO help. It was private property and so they could do nothing…and that is in spite of the fact that the woman could not speak English, had NO drivers license and had NO insurance. I asked the policewoman how this woman could drive without knowing the language and what was I supposed to do. I was told that was MY problem. Nothing was even going to be done about her trying to leave. I might not even had known about this but my car alarm went off when she hit my vehicle. Sooo…this woman got off scot free. She didn’t get a ticket for reckless driving…she didn’t get a ticket for driving with no license or having no auto insurance and when the cop drove off this woman laughed in my face…as did her friend. I still see her driving through the neighborhood but by the time I call the cops she is gone. So, my insurance had to stand the cost of my repairs. RIDICULOUS!!:mad: This state wants to give illegals provisional licenses that would enable them to get auto insurance…ha…fat chance. They know they can slide without it. LITERALLY!!:eek:

YOU also mention about terrorists being able to come through the porous border. Everyone mentions about how ***none of the 9/11 terrorists came through illegally ***and yet that means that there might never be one to come through the border or one already hasn’t?
:heart:Blyss
 
Please return to the original topic of National Guardsman patrolling the border. Thanks for your cooperation.
 
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