Guitarist in Drag

  • Thread starter Thread starter G_S
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
G

G_S

Guest
Today at Mass, the (male) guitarist in the folk ensemble was dressed in women’s clothing. He is a large man who usually appears feminine and apparently is undergoing a sex change. Here’s the thing. He’s right in front in the sanctuary. What to do?
 
Today at Mass, the (male) guitarist in the folk ensemble was dressed in women’s clothing. He is a large man who usually appears feminine and apparently is undergoing a sex change. Here’s the thing. He’s right in front in the sanctuary. What to do?
There are so many things wrong with this picture!

The first step might be to speak with your priest and express your concerns. If he can’t give a rational explanation, and I would dearly love to hear it, I think you might consider addressing a letter to the bishop. This clearly has the potential for causing scandal. I’d also pray for the large gentleman in drag.

Other than that, how was his playing?

Paul
 
There are so many things wrong with this picture!

The first step might be to speak with your priest and express your concerns. If he can’t give a rational explanation, and I would dearly love to hear it, I think you might consider addressing a letter to the bishop. This clearly has the potential for causing scandal. I’d also pray for the large gentleman in drag.

Other than that, how was his playing?

Paul
:rotfl:

Yes, seriously, speak with the Pastor.
 
Tiny Tim in the house!

Which is worse, the dressing in drag or playing the guitar during Mass?
 
Today at Mass, the (male) guitarist in the folk ensemble was dressed in women’s clothing. He is a large man who usually appears feminine and apparently is undergoing a sex change. Here’s the thing. He’s right in front in the sanctuary. What to do?
I know of nothing against sex changes and participating in mass. 🤷 The priest probably knows the reason for this. He is still more than welcome to continue to do his music ministry. 🤷
 
Musicians should not be in the sanctuary. It distracts from the focal point of the Mass, what is happening at the altar.
 
I know of nothing against sex changes and participating in mass. 🤷 The priest probably knows the reason for this. He is still more than welcome to continue to do his music ministry. 🤷
Obtaining a sex change is serious matter. If the person knows this and still deliberately continues with this, they are committing a mortal sin.

Of course, people in mortal sin are still obligated to go to Mass. However, someone obviously (since sex change is noticeable!) should not be participating in a ministry as it would be a cause of scandal. So, he is not welcome to continue to do his music ministry.
 
Obtaining a sex change is serious matter. If the person knows this and still deliberately continues with this, they are committing a mortal sin.

Of course, people in mortal sin are still obligated to go to Mass. However, someone obviously (since sex change is noticeable!) should not be participating in a ministry as it would be a cause of scandal. So, he is not welcome to continue to do his music ministry.
You might be right but can you give us the CCC or canon law references to this because I can’t find anything there.
 
I seems pretty obvious that having a man dressed as a woman and standing in the sanctuary is going to be distracting to a great many people. It would be akin to him being dressed in a bunny suit or a pirate outfit. Regardless of the man’s reasons, he is presenting an unacceptable distraction to those attending Mass.
 
The rationalizations for sexual realignment are very telling. A commentor on my blog enlightened me that there are cases of people who always believed they were meant to be an amputee and voluntarily have healthy and functioning limbs removed. So follow this and see the disconnect:

–An anorexic women walks into a doctor’s office skin and bones and says, “I’m fat. Give me liposuction.” What should the doctor do? Answer: get her to a specialist in eating disorders. You don’t under any circumstances give her liposuction.

–A man walks in to a doctor’s office and says, “Ever since I was a child, I’ve imagined myself without my left leg. Amputate it.” What should the doctor do? Answer: get him to a psychologist. You don’t amputate.

–A man walks into a doctor’s office and says, “Ever since I was a child, I felt like a woman trapped in a man’s body. Give me a sex-change operation.” What should the doctor do? Well, common sense would tell us to to do the same thing we did with the anorexic and the wanna-be amputee. But *nooooo, * because this is a pelvic issue that is somehow different. :rolleyes:

Anyone who has paid any attention over the years and doesn’t have their head in an ideological fog readily sees that the defenders of homosex and gender-bending are less concerned about fairness than with waging war on Truth and Goodness.
 
The rationalizations for sexual realignment are very telling. …etc.
This is an excellent analogy, and can also be applied against those who are trying to legitimize homosexual behavior in society by encouraging sexual activity that is not only morally reprehensible but physiologically and psychologically damaging on many levels.

This guitarist doesn’t need a sex change. He needs a good, Christian psychologist.
 
The rationalizations for sexual realignment are very telling. A commentor on my blog enlightened me that there are cases of people who always believed they were meant to be an amputee and voluntarily have healthy and functioning limbs removed. So follow this and see the disconnect:

–An anorexic women walks into a doctor’s office skin and bones and says, “I’m fat. Give me liposuction.” What should the doctor do? Answer: get her to a specialist in eating disorders. You don’t under any circumstances give her liposuction.

–A man walks in to a doctor’s office and says, “Ever since I was a child, I’ve imagined myself without my left leg. Amputate it.” What should the doctor do? Answer: get him to a psychologist. You don’t amputate.

–A man walks into a doctor’s office and says, “Ever since I was a child, I felt like a woman trapped in a man’s body. Give me a sex-change operation.” What should the doctor do? Well, common sense would tell us to to do the same thing we did with the anorexic and the wanna-be amputee. But *nooooo, *because this is a pelvic issue that is somehow different. :rolleyes:

Anyone who has paid any attention over the years and doesn’t have their head in an ideological fog readily sees that the defenders of homosex and gender-bending are less concerned about fairness than with waging war on Truth and Goodness.
Youv’e Better read up on you facts before you go off spewing half truths like that… No one just walks in a doctors office and gets a sex change. There is much couneling, testing and so on before one is even approved for hormones much less any operation. Testing to see that the brain and the body are not in alignment. Please don’t carteblanche assume gender and homosexual issues are the same thing, they are not. With all the mention of sin here, Ill remind everyone that superficiality is a sin also. God designed the human brain so that humans can look byond the surface in all issues. I see nothing but surface issue thinking in this thread.
 
Youv’e Better read up on you facts before you go off spewing half truths like that… No one just walks in a doctors office and gets a sex change. There is much couneling, testing and so on before one is even approved for hormones much less any operation. Testing to see that the brain and the body are not in alignment. Please don’t carteblanche assume gender and homosexual issues are the same thing, they are not. With all the mention of sin here, Ill remind everyone that superficiality is a sin also. God designed the human brain so that humans can look byond the surface in all issues. I see nothing but surface issue thinking in this thread.
What is this test of brain and body alignment? I’m curious because I have been diagnosed bi-polar and I never had any kind of test done. My diagnosis seems to be on opinion only. What is this concrete test? Please enlighten me. Tim
 
Have you confirmed that this man is actually becoming a woman? Or is he just wearing women’s clothing sometimes?

Is there Canon law against cross-dressing in and of itself?
 
What is this perv doing as a music minister? :eek: This is scary & sick at the same time. Like a Holloween movie.
 
This is an excellent analogy, and can also be applied against those who are trying to legitimize homosexual behavior in society by encouraging sexual activity that is not only morally reprehensible but physiologically and psychologically damaging on many levels.

This guitarist doesn’t need a sex change. He needs a good, Christian psychologist.
I tried therapy for that with christian therapists for 10years, all it did was lead to suicide attempts, four of them in my case. The folks I met along the way would either drop out, or end up killing themselves. I think I lost about four or five ‘therapy friends’ to suicide. Some of them just vanished off onto the street in homelessness, the therapy made them so emotionally conflicted they lost their job/home/livelihood. None of them were suicidal until they started therapy, just confused. The therapy made it much, much worse. No one ever studies the washouts, or the dead bodies, they only want to hear about the people that say ‘I’m cured!’

When I went to graduate school just a few years ago, we actually had a therapy group of SURVIVORS of this sort of therapy. All of us were complete trainwrecks in every aspect of our life.

What kind of therapy, makes you need therapy? Honestly?
 
Youv’e Better read up on you facts before you go off spewing half truths like that… No one just walks in a doctors office and gets a sex change. There is much couneling, testing and so on before one is even approved for hormones much less any operation. Testing to see that the brain and the body are not in alignment. Please don’t carteblanche assume gender and homosexual issues are the same thing, they are not. With all the mention of sin here, Ill remind everyone that superficiality is a sin also. God designed the human brain so that humans can look byond the surface in all issues. I see nothing but surface issue thinking in this thread.
Nobody just walks in a doctor’s office and gets liposuction or gets a limb removed either. The points are still analogous, after the process, 1 and 2 don’t get done, but 3 does.
 
Nobody just walks in a doctor’s office and gets liposuction or gets a limb removed either. The points are still analogous, after the process, 1 and 2 don’t get done, but 3 does.
The anorexic will literally be killing themselves by going through with that, it is assisted suicide essentially. Meanwhile, the person requesting limbs cut off will become a burden on society and divert money from those who have such a state naturally or by accident.

A man becoming a woman, or woman becoming a man doesn’t suddenly make them a less productive human being. They are not a burden on society.

That is the difference between the cases, two cause burdens on a society’s medical system, one does not.
 
The anorexic will literally be killing themselves by going through with that, it is assisted suicide essentially. Meanwhile, the person requesting limbs cut off will become a burden on society and divert money from those who have such a state naturally or by accident.

A man becoming a woman, or woman becoming a man doesn’t suddenly make them a less productive human being. They are not a burden on society.

That is the difference between the cases, two cause burdens on a society’s medical system, one does not.
Every surgery causes some sort of burden on a medical system. That burden is then compensated either by the individual, or their insurance, or the state. For the anorexic, that would literally be their last burden on society. As for the amputee, thousands of people without limbs or with malfunctioning limbs contribute very well to society. A transsexual would also contribute as they did before.
But the burden they produce is not the issue. The issue is that these surgeries should not be done.
I don’t know what kind of therapy you received, but it is apparent enough to me from these forums that trying to “change” a person’s sexuality is an exercise in futility. What is also clear is that learning to accept your crosses is an exercise in sanctity.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top