Gun ownership in this day and age

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Every time an American is killed…a victim of gun violence, I think that perhaps we are not blessed.
God told us not to kill.
God told us to love one another.
I pray for the victims of gun violence. 🙏🙏🙏
 
Yes, it’s nice to pray.
No one here is advocating gun violence.
Self defense is another matter. The key word is “defense.”
 
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John10 said:
Sneaking a gun without your wife consent and by breaking the law, would be sinful indeed to do
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That’s why I suggested the OP go to the nearest range, take classes, practice. Sooner or later his wife will join him. I’ve seen it happen that way many times.
 
vz71 said:
The owner can ban whatever they wish.
Although that would not be wise.
It would be a bad idea to advertise to criminals that everyone in your restaurant is unarmed.
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I rather doubt it. The owner would run into trouble if she tried to ban people with “wrong” skin pigmentation.

The basic question I was presenting is still unanswered: “what is so wonderful to allow every Dick, Tom and Harry to have almost unlimited access to weapons, which facilitate mass murders”? Any answers forthcoming?
 
Do the guns themselves perpetuate gun violence, or is it the fault of those who own them?
 
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vz71 said:
It allows them all to defend themselves.
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It also allows them to slaughter others. And if no one would have access to such weapons, there would be no need to defend themselves. Your line of argument “forgets” that there are people who want to commit violent acts. And the problem is that none of you wishes to present a viable method to allow only the “good” guys to have weapons.

Obviously we have a fundamentally different approach. Mine is this: “it is better that there would be no violence at all, so there would be no need for defense”. Yours sounds like: “to have weapons is of paramount importance, and the occasional mass murders are just a regrettable side affect”. If I am wrong in this interpretation, I am open to correction.
SimonAnoff said:
Do the guns themselves perpetuate gun violence, or is it the fault of those who own them?
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Without guns there would no gun related violence. Just like without cars there would be no traffic accidents. The difference is that giving up transportation would be far more “expensive” - in every meaning of the word, while giving up guns would have no negative impact on society.
 
I’ll see that and raise you this: how in the world could you stop gun ownership completely? If you did it improperly, as in, not disarming everyone who could possibly get a gun, you in fact make the country more dangerous, as those with guns now have a distinct and horrible advantage over those who do not, and cannot obtain guns. Furthermore, should you prevent the legal sales of all guns in the USA, what is to stop illegal gun trading? Better yet, how would you be able to take every gun from every American? It seems far too risky.
 
Personally, I believe that there should be much, MUCH stricter regulations for handguns or other firearms with histories of mental disorders, so as to prevent another tragedy. In a perfect world there would be no violence, however, this is no perfect world. People end up hurting each-other, and we ought to defend ourselves. While I myself would try and be non-lethal till the end, the reason for gun ownership is primarily for a means with which to defend yourself with lethal force when your life is in danger.
 
LionHeart said:
It also allows them to slaughter others.
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People have been slaughtering each other since Cain slew Abel

You cannot stop it by banning weapons.
You can only do that by changing hearts.

In light of the lack of progress in that direction, a good healthy knowledge that the Abel’s of the world are as well armed as the Cain’s will have to do.
 
SimonAnoff said:
I’ll see that and raise you this: how in the world could you stop gun ownership completely?
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This is premature, until we can agree that the best solution is getting rid of guns. Once we can have an agreement upon WHAT we wish to achieve, then we cab start investigate on the HOW to achieve that goal. I have a few ideas, which we could discuss.
vz71 said:
You cannot stop it by banning weapons.
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You have a good start by getting rid of those weapons which make slaughtering easy. It may be a first step, but without a first step there can be no progress.

Interestingly, you bypass the difference between our methods. So far you did not bring up any argument against my understanding of your position, namely that having mass murders (using automatic weapons) is merely a small price to pay to have access to those weapons. I have a sneaky suspicion that the families of the slaughtered students might take an exception to your attitude.

It also looks like that you (in general) like or prefer the Wild West type of world, where everyone can carry a gun, and ones who are the types of Liberty Valance, rule the streets. And you may think that YOU are Liberty Valance, and not someone else. I would prefer the world which will come in New Zealand, when no one will be allowed to carry guns. Maybe I am a “wuss”, and not a “macho man”… I would accept that description. By the way there was someone called Jesus Christ, who said: "“if you live by the sword, you will die by the sword”… you might have heard about him. I like that attitude.
 
Sftyvlv1 said:
She doesn’t want guns in the house or me having one
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I live in Saskatchewan where pretty much every farmer owns a gun of some sort. Raising livestock makes it a necessity against predators. But I live in the city and have never felt the need of it. I know only two people who own a gun; my father in law, an aforementioned farmer, and one brother who hunts once every three years. If some nut goes berserk near me and a bullet has my name on it, I will welcome the end of one life and the beginning of another. Apart from that I never think of it.
 
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LionHeart said:
So far you did not bring up any argument against my understanding of your position, namely that having mass murders (using automatic weapons) is merely a small price to pay to have access to those weapons
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I found the position so laughable it was not worth the response.
You cannot seriously believe a Catholic would hold to that. If so, I am deeply insulted.
 
Having guns heavily regulated is not a political opinion, but rather common sense.
 
prayerrider said:
That’s why I suggested the OP go to the nearest range, take classes, practice. Sooner or later his wife will join him. I’ve seen it happen that way many times.
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That is assuming she is also a gun enthusiast. Either way, more guns does not mean being more safe, but rather more likely for things to go wrong. It only takes for one tragic event to regret all your life of having a gun.
 
That is your opinion, not common sense. The government should not be “closely tracking” guns.
 
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