Take it any way you want, but the fact remains that the gun-ban worshipers really couldn’t care less about the numbers. Government regularly doesn’t enforce the laws we have. Bad guys don’t care about the laws.JonNC:
I’ll take that as a “no,” that you can’t back up your assertion that “most” bad guys are “known” (whatever that means) before they kill.
I care very much about the number of deaths from gun violence every year, every day, in this country.
What does it take to recognize a good guy with a gun?
Me, too. Most of that gun violence is in big cities, many times with illegal hand guns, not civilian rifles like the AR-15. Let’s go after that problem. There are something like 11 million AR-15 types civilian rifles. How many have been used in shooting? 20? 25? You seem to be interested in the math. Run that percentage.JonNC:
I care very much about the number of deaths from gun violence every year, every day, in this country.
Shot by the government! I guess it was the good guys fault they got shot. It is interesting that we rarely hear about the black kids in the cities shooting each other by the gun-ban worshipers. Maybe because those cities are run by progressives.ProVobis:
What does it take to recognize a good guy with a gun?
This past week two good guys with guns who sought to help defend against an active shooter were shoot ad killed by arriving police.
Of course these good guys - one a security guard, on a marine home on leave, were black.
I’m not especially interested in the math. This seems to me to be a deflection on your part.
Really? Those stories are in the papers every single day. Lots of them. If you’re not hearing about the gun killings in our cities, it’s because you choose not to.
Actually we hear such news frequently. I cannot say that the news comes from gun-ban worshippers - whoever it is that is called that name.
My part? You were the one who brought up the math. Not me.JonNC:
I’m not especially interested in the math. This seems to me to be a deflection on your part.
You keep making assertions of fact (the Magna Carta contains a right, for all, to keep and bear arms, or that “most” bad guys who kill with legally obtained weapons we’re known beforehand to the authorities), without backing them up. With numbers, where relevant.
The paper linked, made it quite clear that the “right” was a right of the Landowner.
Well regulated had nothing to do with government or military when it was written. The militia was all able bodied men, well regulated meant trained in the use of firearms. The militia was intended to be a check on government, not part of it.Inisfallen:
The paper linked, made it quite clear that the “right” was a right of the Landowner.
The people allowed to inhabit the Lord’s or King’s domain were, in return for the privilege of habitation, obliged to be ready to bring arms to bear against opponents of their Lord of King.
This paper aligns with the view that keeping and bearing arms pertains to potential service as part of a well-regulated (yes, regulated) militia rather than an inherent right.
The article provides the same inference, as you’ve stated, that government can call up the militia, but ownership of arms was by the populace, land owners then, any majority citizen now, a right of the people not connected to government.
Madison’s perspective here is much more French enlightenment than, from your link, Anglo-Saxon or Anglo-Norman.
And they state much the same thinking: self-defense, the right to arms, is not linked to government service. The militia was not the military.JonNC:
Madson’s perspective here is much more French enlightenment than, from your link, Anglo-Saxon or Anglo-Norman.
Those that value gun ownership, that disagree with my ‘reasonable’ views is not Catholic…or Christian.
Not sure who you mean by “they”. The linked article made it plain that in early England the bearing of arms was a duty of land-dweller to their Lord.
This an area I disagree with Trump. From other articles I understand he lifted the ban on lead ammo in Federal waterfowl lands. Eagles end up ingesting the lead in the food stream.
To the extent I participated in this, I apologize