Guys, if you could be married and a priest would you?

[superblue]

It is the speculative that most Catholics just flat out toss out the door as even a possibility.

 

[superblue]

Diocesan priests make more money than homeless people, and the argument that they make poor money in this day n age where you basically have to fight to the death for employment is a joke of an argument.
everyone who has a job is up to their elbows with customers and managers who are constantly complaining, IE parishoners and bishops

and even though married priests wouldnt mean the collapse of the church nor would it mean a stop to scandal, married priests will never be a norm with in the Church for plenty of reasons, but the only reason that matters is because the Church is a Monarchy.

copy of a copy to a reply to jas seems i got off tracked with the copies of responses,

but this idea that people need to chip in to support priests, how come there is not this attitude from dioceses to give financially to parishoners who are in need of getting out of debt or help with paying bills, why is giving financially only a one way street with the Church, being giving to the Church and to priests. or for dioceses to stop taxing parishes and do other things for income.

 

[Reesey]

Christ can’t have a bride because remember there is no marriage in heaven,

What about the marriage supper of the lamb in Rev. 19? And the many references in the Gospels to Christ as the bridegroom that Christ Himself made? And what about St. Paul calling the Church the bride of Christ in 2 Cor. 11:2-3 and Ephesians 5:25–27?

That the Church is the bride to Christ as bridegroom is both Scriptural, AND an important teaching of the Catholic Church’s theology.

 

[anikins]

The current statistic is that about half of all priest are celibate (or chase, rather).

I’m sure allowing priests to marry would help plummeting vocation numbers, but who knows how that will affect other aspects of the Church.

 

[EqualinHim]

Just going to add my two cents as a lady in: I’d never marry one of the priests in my parish because the schedule means that there would be some conflicts. Our priests put in twelve hours a day or more very frequently and only get one day off.

I’d consider marrying a Byzantine priest though because the Byzantine parish in my town is small, close knit and very much like an extended family. I can’t imagine that it’s terribly different elsewhere in the United States.

I loathe conflict and wouldn’t want to cause conflict in a church due to marriage or family obligations.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

Revelation 21: 2

The Church is a she, a bride.

And of course Song of Songs.

I dont subscribe to those code novels. There is way too much inane myth surrounding St Mary Magdalene.

 

[superblue]

yeah except those references are a metaphor meant for the reader to take and interpret into a manner of their life, not as a literal form.

 

[superblue]

The church isn’t a she because that implies the church is just one person, an a separate person and a female, and then that female would need a different name other than church.

Common sense.

song of songs or back n black by AC/DC which ever.

K good luck, im done with bouncing back n forth, if you want the last word on it to make yourself feel better to get it out there i dont blame ya, just gotta let ya know i wont reply cause im moving on.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

Acdc has nothing to do with the living Word of God in the Bible.

However if you want to discuss songwriters, george young, who died this week, wrote many of those songs for his brothers, in ACDC, and wrote for the easybeats, and John Paul Young. A very versatile song writer…

Come and see the real thing, come and see the real thing , come and see…

 

[Reesey]

Well sure they are metaphors - but why use metaphors (and so many of them)! evoking marital imagery of its “wrong” to understand Christ’s relationship to His Church as a kind of spousal relationship between a bride and groom? Even in the Hebrew Scriptures (our Old Testament), God,s relationship with Israel was often depicted as a husband/wife relationship. You seem not to understand that our relationship to God is covenantal - that is, FAMILIAL.

 

[ChunkMonk]

I suspect the majority of men who become priests would say they don’t want to eliminate the celibacy vow.

 

[anikins]

It would be better to ask discerning men that question, rather than those who have already decided to take the plunge.

In my opinion it should be optional. The Bible encourages, but does not demand celibacy of priests. We already have married priests in the Church, and to think that there are Catholics that think less of their commitment to the Church compared non-married priest is sad to me.

 

[anikins]

Full disclosure: My old hometown Catholic priest is married. He says his wife makes him a better priest.

 

[Duesenberg]

I suspect the majority of men who become priests would say they don’t want to eliminate the celibacy vow.

Of course. They’re locked in. An ordained man cannot be married and remain a cleric.

 

[babochka]

I suspect the majority of men who become priests would say they don’t want to eliminate the celibacy vow.

I would suspect the same thing. These are presumably men who had a call to celibacy and freely chose the priesthood.

 

[AlNg]

An ordained man cannot be married and remain a cleric.

Rodrigo de Borja was ordained a priest in 1468 and was married by common law to Vannozza (Giovanna) dei Cattanei in 1470. They had four children and he remained a cleric. Actually, he went on to become Pope.
His four children were Cesare, Giovanni, Lucrezia, and Gioffre .

 

[Roseeurekacross]

There is a series about that family.

Didnt Michaelangelo hide from them, under the Cathedral, in a small cell, at one point. They wanted him to paint their likeness into religious paintings, at one point he said No.

He would sneak up at night and continue his Art. Then disappear in this tiny cell during the day. They searched everywhere for him.

 

[Duesenberg]

Rodrigo de Borja was ordained a priest in 1468 and was married by common law to Vannozza (Giovanna) dei Cattanei in 1470. They had four children and he remained a cleric. Actually, he went on to become Pope.

His four children were Cesare, Giovanni, Lucrezia, and Gioffre .

The Borgia Family was a pox on the Church. They did all sorts of hideous things. There is also a great deal of myth surrounding them.

His “common law marriage” wasn’t recognized by the Church. He was simply a man that fathered children outside of wedlock. I’ll say it again an ordained man cannot get married and remain a cleric (in the Catholic Church) with one very specific and special exception.

If a permanent deacon’s wife passes away and he is faced with bringing up small children on his own, he can be allowed to remarry – a decision left not to the local bishop, but to the Holy See.

 

[Cthompson]

Sacred call? Then why are so few making it?

God is calling good men to become priests, so there is not a lack of vocations. The problem is in the response on behalf of man.

Personally, I believe the culture is ruining vocations to the priesthood. (I would highly recommend Cardinal Sarah’s The Power of Silence ). Men are not able to thoroughly discern a call through all the noise of everyday life nor do they seek to discern because of the way the culture has painted the vocation of the priesthood.

I do not believe the determining factor comes down to celibacy vs marriage, but rather loneliness. I think many man have an incorrect view that priests are lonely; this is often not the case. In many instances, priests are more busy and involved with more families than a normal married man.

Lastly, the priesthood is most definetly a sacred office because the priest acts in the person of Christ, especially during the sacraments. I can not imagine anything more sacred than celebrating Mass and confecting the Eucharist.

God bless.

 

[Cthompson]

but this priest actually had a family (children) and envied not having them

Do you mean my pastor when I was a Lutheran? No, he did not envy priests. He loved his family and congregation and this often made it difficult for him.

He told me one time that he was getting ready to attend a gala with his wife when a member of the church called and asked him to be with them in the hospital. He had to say no because he and his wife were already on their way to an event he could not get out of. I know it pained him to make these decisions.

He would confide in me that he sometimes envied Catholic priests’ family situations because priests can get a hospital or confession call at anytime of the day or night and be there without having to forsake their children or wife. He knew priests have the freedom to give themselves to their parishes.

He never said “I wish I never got married” or “I should have been a Catholic priest”, but he was not able to be 100% present in his church because he had to be a good husband and father as well and spend time with his own family.

God bless.